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Non-smoking Sections in Casinos

First of all, this thread is very relevant to vp, given that it directly relates to the conditions under which we play most vp.

Secondly, a non-smoking "bank" of machines, while better than nothing, does not eliminate the dangers of second-hand smoke to players in such an area, given the fact that people may be smoking in close proximity (often times very close by). In addition, second-hand smoke can drift, and no ventilation system completely eliminates second-hand smoke from the air. And walking through a smoke-filled casino to get to such an area adds to the danger.

Non-smokers who spend any amount of time in most casinos in this country are endangering their health, and I think this is a factor every non-smoker should consider in deciding whether their hobby is worth continuing. (the move away from full-pay machines being another :slight_smile: ).

Smokers often deny that second-hand smoke is dangerous, but the evidence tilts far more in favor of the dangers of second-hand smoke than its (supposedly) benign effects. I would believe a report issued by the Surgeon General of the United States over websites run by smokers, websites that are perhaps funded by the tobacco industry.

The trend here and overseas is to eliminate ALL indoor public smoking, including "private" places of business, such as restaurants and bars. That is a good trend, and I encourage any of us who care about the health of themselves and others to continue to fight to get casinos to go smoke-free. If they will not do it voluntarily, then we will have to continue to attack the problem through legislative and legal means.

Fiesta Rancho has a whole bank of non-smoking Optimum Play machines, right
across from the Amigo Club. You might want to inquire at Sunset, not sure
if non-smoking machine banks are a Stations-wide policy or just a pleasant
outlier at Rancho...

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From: "Jay Fenster" <fenster@swina.com>

On 6/29/06, missdeuces <missdeuces@yahoo.com> wrote:

Actually the casinos you listed are not ones I go to. They have
nothing worth playing (for me)except for the venetian(at the $1)
level.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "Curtis Rich"
<LGTVegas@...> wrote:
>
> MOST casinos have non-smoking areas?
>
> Can you please tell me where the non-smoking areas are at
Venetian, Treasure
> Island, Rio, Orleans, Flamingo, Stardust and Sunset Station
because these
> are the casinos that I visit regularly.
>
> Other than the poker rooms, I do not recall seeing any non-smoking
areas in
> any of these casinos.
>
> I would love to know where they are located, so I can be sure to
utilize
> them. Thanks.
>
>
> On 6/28/06, missdeuces <missdeuces@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am not on either side. But since Casinos are not public places
> > but privately owned I think they are not going to be liable for
> > someone walking in there and breathing second-hand smoke. Most
> > casinos already have smoking and non-smoking areas so - if you
don't
> > want to be around the smoke or find it unbearable - play in the
non-
> > smoking section or go to a casino that has better ventilation. I
> > think the same can be said that if you want to smoke - go to an
area
> > that smoking is allowed and will not bother non-smokers. Again,
I
> > am not on either side of this argument as I see both points of
> > view.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

--
Jay Fenster
jayfenster@gmail.com
--
aim: JayFensterV1 /// tel. 703.328.2674

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If you are so worried about your health why don't you stay out of

casinos? You are not forced to be there. You have a right to say no.
What you want is your addiction to be a priority over another persons
addiction.
If it was a work place and you were forced to be there you would
have a legit gripe, but it's not.
You believe it your right to take away anothers right and you use
the health card to whine your case. Again, if you are so worried stay
home. And please save us all the "i have a right" So do the smokers.
How many people die and are mamed in auto accidents every year?
Should we ban cars for health reasons?
You people make me sick!!

Just for the record: I'm a non-smoker

First of all, this thread is very relevant to vp, given that it

directly relates to the conditions under which we play most vp.

Secondly, a non-smoking "bank" of machines, while better than

nothing, does not eliminate the dangers of second-hand smoke to
players in such an area, given the fact that people may be smoking in
close proximity (often times very close by). In addition, second-hand
smoke can drift, and no ventilation system completely eliminates
second-hand smoke from the air. And walking through a smoke-filled
casino to get to such an area adds to the danger.

Non-smokers who spend any amount of time in most casinos in this

country are endangering their health, and I think this is a factor
every non-smoker should consider in deciding whether their hobby is
worth continuing. (the move away from full-pay machines being
another :slight_smile: ).

Smokers often deny that second-hand smoke is dangerous, but the

evidence tilts far more in favor of the dangers of second-hand smoke
than its (supposedly) benign effects. I would believe a report issued
by the Surgeon General of the United States over websites run by
smokers, websites that are perhaps funded by the tobacco industry.

The trend here and overseas is to eliminate ALL indoor public

smoking, including "private" places of business, such as restaurants
and bars. That is a good trend, and I encourage any of us who care
about the health of themselves and others to continue to fight to get
casinos to go smoke-free. If they will not do it voluntarily, then we
will have to continue to attack the problem through legislative and
legal means.

From: "Jay Fenster" <fenster@...>

Fiesta Rancho has a whole bank of non-smoking Optimum Play

machines, right

across from the Amigo Club. You might want to inquire at Sunset,

not sure

if non-smoking machine banks are a Stations-wide policy or just a

pleasant

outlier at Rancho...

>
> Actually the casinos you listed are not ones I go to. They have
> nothing worth playing (for me)except for the venetian(at the $1)
> level.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>, "Curtis

Rich"

> <LGTVegas@> wrote:
> >
> > MOST casinos have non-smoking areas?
> >
> > Can you please tell me where the non-smoking areas are at
> Venetian, Treasure
> > Island, Rio, Orleans, Flamingo, Stardust and Sunset Station
> because these
> > are the casinos that I visit regularly.
> >
> > Other than the poker rooms, I do not recall seeing any non-

smoking

> areas in
> > any of these casinos.
> >
> > I would love to know where they are located, so I can be sure to
> utilize
> > them. Thanks.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > I am not on either side. But since Casinos are not public

places

> > > but privately owned I think they are not going to be liable

for

> > > someone walking in there and breathing second-hand smoke. Most
> > > casinos already have smoking and non-smoking areas so - if you
> don't
> > > want to be around the smoke or find it unbearable - play in

the

> non-
> > > smoking section or go to a casino that has better

ventilation. I

> > > think the same can be said that if you want to smoke - go to

an

> area
> > > that smoking is allowed and will not bother non-smokers.

Again,

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, mchaud@... wrote:

-------------- Original message --------------
On 6/29/06, missdeuces <missdeuces@...> wrote:
> > On 6/28/06, missdeuces <missdeuces@> wrote:
> I
> > > am not on either side of this argument as I see both points of
> > > view.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

--
Jay Fenster
jayfenster@...
--
aim: JayFensterV1 /// tel. 703.328.2674

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>If you are so worried about your health why don't you stay out of
casinos? You are not forced to be there. You have a right to say no.
What you want is your addiction to be a priority over another

persons

addiction.
If it was a work place and you were forced to be there you would
have a legit gripe, but it's not.
You believe it your right to take away anothers right and you use
the health card to whine your case. Again, if you are so worried

stay

home. And please save us all the "i have a right" So do the smokers.

I have posted before and will post again. Yes, smokers have a right
to smoke. What they do not have the right to do is blow it on non-
smokers, let their smoke drift onto non-smokers, and do not have the
right to say it is not their fault but it is the fault of the casino
ventilation etc.

If someone sat next to you and coughed all over you or peed on you
would you support their right?

There are rights and there are wrongs. It is wrong to let your smoke
infringe on another persons personal space.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, mchaud@ wrote:

How many people die and are maimed in auto accidents every year?

Sadly, too many who are often victims of drunk drivers...

Should we ban cars for health reasons?

Absolutely! Car exhaust fumes are as toxic as cigarette smoke. If no one drove, think how
quickly the air would clean up and smog would disappear!

You people make me sick!!

In all likelihood hanging around people who drink,drive and smoke will do that!

Just for the record: I'm a non-smoker

Good, then I won't have to point and spray Febreze around me should you sit and light up
around me.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@...> wrote: