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No Skill In Keno? Hmmm...

#1

It is fine with me if you believe there is no skill in keno. It is not
a game for the faint of heart.

However, regardless of how computerized you are told there are indeed
patterns that repeat on specific machines. If you don't believe this,
just sit, be patient and watch for awhile. Most players cannot
tolerate the "variance" of losing streaks, which directly relate to
the number of spots picked. But, if you can withstand these streaks,
your 7 out of 8 and 8 out of 9 will grandly make their appearance.

The 20 card video keno games allow you to maintain your 8 and 9 spots
on their own cards while playing fewer spots on other cards. Those
cards with less spots pay off smaller but more frequently and help
sustain you. But, again, you are not going to get anything like the
frequent money-back returns as in Jacks or Better.

And if you are trying to avoid $1200 taxable jackpots, the 20 card
video keno I play is definitely not for you.

#2

It is fine with me if you believe there is no skill in keno. It is

not a game for the faint of heart.

However, regardless of how computerized you are told there are

indeed

patterns that repeat on specific machines. If you don't believe

this,

just sit, be patient and watch for awhile.

The author of the book Gambling for Dummies agrees with you, but the
coauthor, Stanford Wong, did not. So the author wrote the Keno
chapter without Wong's help. I side with Wong, based on a lot of
futile effort trying to deciper the "patterns".

But there is definitely some skill involved, if its a progressive.
Currently Palace Station has an 8 of 8 progressive at 18M+, and a 9
of 9 progressive at 13M+. Obviously it makes more sense to play 8
numbers (it has a much better probablility too).

In addition, the probability of winning varies quite a bit, from
casino to casino, and even within a casino. So it pays to know which
games make the most sense, in terms of both probabilities, and
variance. But, mathematically speaking, its tough to justify playing
Keno a lot. If you can decipher the "patterns" I'd say you are very
fortunate.

Years ago I played a 4 nickel progressive at Palace Station a lot.
The 10 of 10 jackpot was reset at 2M, and was over 100M when I
played. But the odds at 100M+ still favored the casino!

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#3

I would like to clear some confusion on a statement here. The probablility of winning varies. On the same number of spots the odds are the same everywhere. The difference is what you get paid for catching the spots. That's where an astute player that figures out the percentages (not that difficult if you know how to work with factorials) will do better as he or she will play lower house advantage tickets, or know when a progressive turns positive, or a promotion is profitable. Keno can be profitable due tournaments, promotions, progressives, and comps.

It is fine with me if you believe there is no skill in keno. It is

not a game for the faint of heart.

However, regardless of how computerized you are told there are

indeed

patterns that repeat on specific machines. If you don't believe

this,

just sit, be patient and watch for awhile.

The author of the book Gambling for Dummies agrees with you, but the
coauthor, Stanford Wong, did not. So the author wrote the Keno
chapter without Wong's help. I side with Wong, based on a lot of
futile effort trying to deciper the "patterns".

But there is definitely some skill involved, if its a progressive.
Currently Palace Station has an 8 of 8 progressive at 18M+, and a 9
of 9 progressive at 13M+. Obviously it makes more sense to play 8
numbers (it has a much better probablility too).

In addition, the probability of winning varies quite a bit, from
casino to casino, and even within a casino. So it pays to know which
games make the most sense, in terms of both probabilities, and
variance. But, mathematically speaking, its tough to justify playing
Keno a lot. If you can decipher the "patterns" I'd say you are very
fortunate.

Years ago I played a 4 nickel progressive at Palace Station a lot.
The 10 of 10 jackpot was reset at 2M, and was over 100M when I
played. But the odds at 100M+ still favored the casino!

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#4

pesach kremen wrote:

I would like to clear some confusion on a statement here. The
probablility of winning varies. On the same number of spots the odds
are the same everywhere. The difference is what you get paid for
catching the spots. That's where an astute player that figures out
the percentages (not that difficult if you know how to work with
factorials) will do better as he or she will play lower house
advantage tickets, or know when a progressive turns positive, or a
promotion is profitable. Keno can be profitable due tournaments,
promotions, progressives, and comps.

Of course, the OP was referring to skill in picking the "right
numbers" based upon historical patterns, not in selecting the best
play opportunities (though, no doubt, he is an advocate of that).

As far as "advantage keno" opportunities, I imagine they might exist.
But I expect that occurs about as frequently as an attractive
"Blazing 7's" progressive play. The house edge takes an ox of a
promotion to beat.

The "Wizard of Odds" has a webpage on keno with a section discussing
video keno in which he details the ER for the base keno games at a
handful of casinos (no doubt, dated): http://wizardofodds.com/keno

The ER's range from 75% (and below) at LVH to 93% at Suncoast. I'm
hard pressed to believe that any but the most extraordinary
progressive values would make these "positive", much less as
attractive as available vp plays in the casino. (But, consistent with
another thread, I won't state the probability as being 0% :wink:

- Harry