was there yesterday. $0.50 Pick'Ems on lower level (both good and bad
schedule) were all shut down with info indicating they're switching to
TITO. Here's hoping that they don't pull a 'Woodbine' and change the
pay schedule while they're at it...
Weird day for me on the upstairs $1 ones. For the life of me my
machine wouldn't connect on quads yet it gave me two straight flushes.
Very strange.
I've always been very suspicious of the Niagara Pick'ems. Looks like full pay.says it's full
pay,just doesn't behave like full pay.
I only go now once a month to burn up my comp on a nice dinner and play a little roulette. I'll
put a couple of hundred in a PKM machine at the .50c level and if I get lucky...great, if not I'm
out of there. I'm not going to bother to maintain my level of play (I'm Platinum until January)
as Canadian casinos are such a rip-off where the machine inventory is concerned. Save my
play for Vegas or AC where at least you have a fighting chance and the comps are sooooo
much better.
MO
Weird day for me on the upstairs $1 ones. For the life of me my
machine wouldn't connect on quads yet it gave me two straight flushes.
Very strange.
I have to chuckle at the people on this site looking for "full pay PKM"
in Canada, there is no such thing. All the machines are set between
87-89 percent no matter what the pay scale is. I know this for a fact.
I good friend of mine is a tech at one of the casinos. Anyone who has
been to Vegas realizes right away that these machines aren't random, as
you obviously have figured out. The ones who haven't who still play
these jokes, and are lucky enough to catch which will happen on any
machine, are doing their part to fund these casinos for the laughable
comps offered.
I've read on this site that Canada follows New Jersey law when it comes
to VP. A little searching on the net and a few phone calls will show
you that NJ makes no distinction between slots and VP. They can set them
as they please as long as they meet a certain percentage of payback. I'm
not positive but I think it stands at 85%.
To all those in search of the full pay, good luck. Hopefully you will
get some satisfaction loosing your money on a 87% machine with a fullpay
scale.
I've always been very suspicious of the Niagara Pick'ems. Looks like
full pay.says it's full
pay,just doesn't behave like full pay.
I only go now once a month to burn up my comp on a nice dinner and
play a little roulette. I'll
put a couple of hundred in a PKM machine at the .50c level and if I
get lucky...great, if not I'm
out of there. I'm not going to bother to maintain my level of play
(I'm Platinum until January)
as Canadian casinos are such a rip-off where the machine inventory is
concerned. Save my
play for Vegas or AC where at least you have a fighting chance and the
comps are sooooo
much better.
MO
> Weird day for me on the upstairs $1 ones. For the life of me my
> machine wouldn't connect on quads yet it gave me two straight
flushes.
Glad to be one of the ones to have given you such a chuckle and to have contributed to
your smug superiority complex because of your inside knowledge courtesy of your tech
friend.
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@...> wrote:
I have to chuckle at the people on this site looking for "full pay PKM"
in Canada, there is no such thing. All the machines are set between
87-89 percent no matter what the pay scale is. I know this for a fact.
I good friend of mine is a tech at one of the casinos. Anyone who has
been to Vegas realizes right away that these machines aren't random, as
you obviously have figured out. The ones who haven't who still play
these jokes, and are lucky enough to catch which will happen on any
machine, are doing their part to fund these casinos for the laughable
comps offered.I've read on this site that Canada follows New Jersey law when it comes
to VP. A little searching on the net and a few phone calls will show
you that NJ makes no distinction between slots and VP. They can set them
as they please as long as they meet a certain percentage of payback. I'm
not positive but I think it stands at 85%.To all those in search of the full pay, good luck. Hopefully you will
get some satisfaction loosing your money on a 87% machine with a fullpay
scale.--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@> wrote:
>
> I've always been very suspicious of the Niagara Pick'ems. Looks like
full pay.says it's full
> pay,just doesn't behave like full pay.
>
> I only go now once a month to burn up my comp on a nice dinner and
play a little roulette. I'll
> put a couple of hundred in a PKM machine at the .50c level and if I
get lucky...great, if not I'm
> out of there. I'm not going to bother to maintain my level of play
(I'm Platinum until January)
> as Canadian casinos are such a rip-off where the machine inventory is
concerned. Save my
> play for Vegas or AC where at least you have a fighting chance and the
comps are sooooo
> much better.
>
> MO
>
>
> > Weird day for me on the upstairs $1 ones. For the life of me my
> > machine wouldn't connect on quads yet it gave me two straight
flushes.
> > Very strange.
> >
>
Knew long ago that VP in Canada was bogus. All it took was a little
ambition and an internet connection. All my friend did was verify the
pay back .
Anyone who would gamble and not know what the true odds of what they're
playing is a fool.
Feel free to keep contributing to my "smug superiority complex".
Don't expect free dinner and a night stay at my house for your effort.
I don't comp for contributions like the casinos do..
Just to show you I'm a nice guy I'll let you in on a little secret.
All nickel VP in the government run casinos are set at 97%. This does
not apply to private, only government run. Now 97% isn't great but it is
8-10% more than the return you get on "full pay" Pickem
Glad to be one of the ones to have given you such a chuckle and to
have contributed to
your smug superiority complex because of your inside knowledge
courtesy of your tech
friend.
>
>
> I have to chuckle at the people on this site looking for "full pay
PKM"
> in Canada, there is no such thing. All the machines are set between
> 87-89 percent no matter what the pay scale is. I know this for a
fact.
> I good friend of mine is a tech at one of the casinos. Anyone who
has
> been to Vegas realizes right away that these machines aren't random,
as
> you obviously have figured out. The ones who haven't who still play
> these jokes, and are lucky enough to catch which will happen on any
> machine, are doing their part to fund these casinos for the
laughable
> comps offered.
>
> I've read on this site that Canada follows New Jersey law when it
comes
> to VP. A little searching on the net and a few phone calls will show
> you that NJ makes no distinction between slots and VP. They can set
them
> as they please as long as they meet a certain percentage of payback.
I'm
> not positive but I think it stands at 85%.
>
> To all those in search of the full pay, good luck. Hopefully you
will
> get some satisfaction loosing your money on a 87% machine with a
fullpay
> scale.
>
>
> >
> > I've always been very suspicious of the Niagara Pick'ems. Looks
like
> full pay.says it's full
> > pay,just doesn't behave like full pay.
> >
> > I only go now once a month to burn up my comp on a nice dinner and
> play a little roulette. I'll
> > put a couple of hundred in a PKM machine at the .50c level and if
I
> get lucky...great, if not I'm
> > out of there. I'm not going to bother to maintain my level of play
> (I'm Platinum until January)
> > as Canadian casinos are such a rip-off where the machine inventory
is
> concerned. Save my
> > play for Vegas or AC where at least you have a fighting chance and
the
> comps are sooooo
> > much better.
> >
> > MO
> >
> >
> > > Weird day for me on the upstairs $1 ones. For the life of me my
> > > machine wouldn't connect on quads yet it gave me two straight
> flushes.
> > > Very strange.
> > >
> >
>
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--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" tghysel@ wrote:
> --- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@> wrote:
From what I know, video poker is not AVAILABLE at the 5c
denomination. Secondly, what do you mean by "government run"? Casino
Niagara, Niagara Fallsview, Casino Rama, and Casino Windsor, are all
commercial, PRIVATELY OPERATED casinos. The only "government run"
casinos in Ontario are the "charity" casinos, also referred to as OLG
casinos.
Finally, why would a casino "set" returns on nickel VP higher than $1
or even $5 Pickem?
Replies appreciated.
Just to show you I'm a nice guy I'll let you in on a little secret.
All nickel VP in the government run casinos are set at 97%. This
does
not apply to private, only government run. Now 97% isn't great but
it is
8-10% more than the return you get on "full pay" Pickem
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@> wrote:
>
>
Government run = charity. All nickel slots and VP are set at this level
About 8-10% higher than other denominations. I have no idea what thier
reasoning is for this.
As for nickel denominations at the private casinos I wouldn't know.
Have not played at Niagara or the others for a long time. I don't play
bogus VP so I would have no reason to frequent Canadain casinos.
One more "secret" for those who wonder," Why lower payscales on set
machines"? Simple. Lower pay scales allow the machine to "hit" more
often. This gives the player the illusion the machine is playing well.
In the long run the 13% disadvantage drains you. Casinos are masters at
playing to human weaknesses. They are not in business to make you money.
They know that for everyone that finds out and refuses to play 3 will be
there to fill the spot.
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "djmcosmo" <djmcosmo@...> wrote:
From what I know, video poker is not AVAILABLE at the 5c
denomination. Secondly, what do you mean by "government run"? Casino
Niagara, Niagara Fallsview, Casino Rama, and Casino Windsor, are all
commercial, PRIVATELY OPERATED casinos. The only "government run"
casinos in Ontario are the "charity" casinos, also referred to as OLG
casinos.
Finally, why would a casino "set" returns on nickel VP higher than $1
or even $5 Pickem?Replies appreciated.
>
> Just to show you I'm a nice guy I'll let you in on a little secret.
>
> All nickel VP in the government run casinos are set at 97%. This
does
> not apply to private, only government run. Now 97% isn't great but
it is
> 8-10% more than the return you get on "full pay" Pickem
> --- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "mofromto2" <mofromto@> wrote:
> >
> >
I have to chuckle at the people on this site looking for "full pay
PKM"
in Canada, there is no such thing. All the machines are set between
87-89 percent no matter what the pay scale is. I know this for a
fact.
I good friend of mine is a tech at one of the casinos.
I have yet to meet a slot tech who is anything but clueless when the
subject is video poker, pay scales, theoretical game return, etc.
Neil
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" <tghysel@...> wrote:
Of course they are clueless!! Stands to reason that if they knew
anything about the machines they service they would saddle up next to
you, buy you a beer, and tell you about the inner workings of the
machines.
They could tell you and hope you pass it on to all your friends.
Management would love this! I mean isn't the sole purpose of casinos to
give you every advantage possible to make money? And with the
possibility you pass on the secrets to bring in even more players and
everyone making money? They would be ecstatic.
In your conversations with Techs one person in the conversation is
clueless. I wouldn't bet my money on it being the tech..
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE_Canada@yahoogroups.com, "tghysel" tghysel@ wrote:
>
>
> I have to chuckle at the people on this site looking for "full pay
PKM"
> in Canada, there is no such thing. All the machines are set between
> 87-89 percent no matter what the pay scale is. I know this for a
fact.
> I good friend of mine is a tech at one of the casinos.I have yet to meet a slot tech who is anything but clueless when the
subject is video poker, pay scales, theoretical game return, etc.Neil