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newby question about 888.info, MD5 RNG, video poker

I logged onto www.888.info for the first time yesterday having seen
an ad on tv yesterday because it advertises instruction in video
poker. I played a free version of video poker jacks or better
through the casino school link. I was very suprised when the first
flush I won had two Queens of Clubs in it. How is this possible? I
did exactly the same thing today, and this time the first flush had
two Jacks of Hearts in it. The site advertises that it uses the MD5
random number generator but does that have anything to do with
this?

It must be obvious by now I am very new to the game and am reading
several books on the subject as well as discovering web sites where
video poker strategy is discussed. The site above advertises 24
hour help and I sent a letter to them and got a request for a screen
shot from them, but the writer said it had not happened before. Yet
I got the error quickly twice.

I guess my main question is: Is this experience telling me something
about the site, or is this kind of thing frequent in online video
poker. In Frank Scoblete's book _Victory_at_Video_Poker_ he makes
the point that there is no regulation in New Jersey that would keep
physical video poker machines from operating like slot machines. Is
this still true, and is it so for online video poker? Can anyone
tell me if it is true in Tunica, my backyard casino area? I know
this is too many question for a newby, and not Las Vegas centered,
so if anyone can direct me to a more appropriate place for my
questions, I am would be very grateful.

Linda Kuczwanski

I had a similar thing happen at videopoker.com, which is the free
site of Action Gaming, the licensee of the Triple Play format
machines, as well as many other VP machines. So one might think
their software is top-notch, but one time I got two Queens of Spades
in a straight flush, and another time I got two Aces of Hearts. I
even posted the glitch on their own meassge board, but never
recieved a response.

I logged onto www.888.info for the first time yesterday having seen
an ad on tv yesterday because it advertises instruction in video
poker. I played a free version of video poker jacks or better
through the casino school link. I was very suprised when the first
flush I won had two Queens of Clubs in it. How is this possible? I
did exactly the same thing today, and this time the first flush had
two Jacks of Hearts in it. The site advertises that it uses the MD5
random number generator but does that have anything to do with
this?

Linda Kuczwanski

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kuczwanski" <RKUCZWANSKI@m...> wrote:

I have now played three times at 888.info and this has happened all
three times. I got a flush with two queens of clubs, a flush with
two Jacks of Diamonds and a pair made of two Jacks of Clubs. Since
this improve the odds of making something profitable, it would be
good if the paid site did act the same way.

Would anyone know if this 888.info site is related to Pacific Poker
at 888.com? Thanks again for your time and attention.

In reading messages, I noticed someone said that this site was only
for discussion of Las Vegas casinos, a place I would love to visit
but may never get the chance to, so I read the Rules and Regulations
again, and they indicated that my questions should be appropriate as
they state, "The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum
for the discussion and exchange of information about video poker and
video poker related topics. vpFREE is dedicated to promoting and
preserving good video poker situations that can survive and prosper
in an open market environment." But again, if there is a more
appropriate site for my questions, I do want to know about it.

Linda Kuczwanski

I had a similar thing happen at videopoker.com, which is the free
site of Action Gaming, the licensee of the Triple Play format
machines, as well as many other VP machines. So one might think
their software is top-notch, but one time I got two Queens of

Spades

in a straight flush, and another time I got two Aces of Hearts. I
even posted the glitch on their own meassge board, but never
recieved a response.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kuczwanski" <RKUCZWANSKI@m...>

wrote:

>
I logged onto www.888.info for the first time yesterday having

seen

an ad on tv yesterday because it advertises instruction in video
poker. I played a free version of video poker jacks or better
through the casino school link. I was very suprised when the

first

flush I won had two Queens of Clubs in it. How is this possible?

I

did exactly the same thing today, and this time the first flush

had

two Jacks of Hearts in it. The site advertises that it uses the

MD5

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:

random number generator but does that have anything to do with
this?

Linda Kuczwanski

You're at the right place to discuss video poker, whether it's
Las Vegas related or not. However, you're unlikely to get very
much feedback about online video poker, which isn't regulated and
probably isn't patronized by most vpFREE members ... certainly not
by me. Video Poker in Nevada, New Jersey and Mississippi OTOH is
generally considered to be fair, and if you find two identical cards in
a hand it would be an abberation.

Here's another example of a gaffed deck at a freeplay site:

http://tinyurl.com/6l9hm

vpFREE Administrator

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On 6 Mar 2005 at 19:41, kuczwanski wrote:

I guess my main question is: Is this experience telling me something
about the site, or is this kind of thing frequent in online video poker.
In Frank Scoblete's book _Victory_at_Video_Poker_ he makes the point
that there is no regulation in New Jersey that would keep physical video
poker machines from operating like slot machines. Is this still true,
and is it so for online video poker? Can anyone tell me if it is true
in Tunica, my backyard casino area? I know this is too many question
for a newby, and not Las Vegas centered, so if anyone can direct me to a
more appropriate place for my questions, I am would be very grateful.

you might find an answer here:
http://www.wizardofodds.com/casinos/blacklist.html
if not, try asking the wizard

I have now played three times at 888.info and this has happened all
three times. I got a flush with two queens of clubs, a flush with
two Jacks of Diamonds and a pair made of two Jacks of Clubs. Since
this improve the odds of making something profitable, it would be
good if the paid site did act the same way.

Would anyone know if this 888.info site is related to Pacific Poker
at 888.com? Thanks again for your time and attention.

In reading messages, I noticed someone said that this site was only
for discussion of Las Vegas casinos, a place I would love to visit
but may never get the chance to, so I read the Rules and

Regulations

again, and they indicated that my questions should be appropriate

as

they state, "The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum
for the discussion and exchange of information about video poker

and

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kuczwanski" <RKUCZWANSKI@m...> wrote:

video poker related topics. vpFREE is dedicated to promoting and
preserving good video poker situations that can survive and prosper
in an open market environment." But again, if there is a more
appropriate site for my questions, I do want to know about it.

Linda Kuczwanski

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:
>
> I had a similar thing happen at videopoker.com, which is the free
> site of Action Gaming, the licensee of the Triple Play format
> machines, as well as many other VP machines. So one might think
> their software is top-notch, but one time I got two Queens of
Spades
> in a straight flush, and another time I got two Aces of Hearts. I
> even posted the glitch on their own meassge board, but never
> recieved a response.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kuczwanski" <RKUCZWANSKI@m...>
wrote:
> >
> I logged onto www.888.info for the first time yesterday having
seen
> an ad on tv yesterday because it advertises instruction in video
> poker. I played a free version of video poker jacks or better
> through the casino school link. I was very suprised when the
first
> flush I won had two Queens of Clubs in it. How is this possible?

I
> did exactly the same thing today, and this time the first flush
had
> two Jacks of Hearts in it. The site advertises that it uses the
MD5
> random number generator but does that have anything to do with
> this?
>
> Linda Kuczwanski

This was great to know about! I really appreciate it.

Linda Kuczwanski

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----- Original Message -----
  From: nightoftheiguana2000
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:35 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: newby question about 888.info, MD5 RNG, video poker

  you might find an answer here:
  http://www.wizardofodds.com/casinos/blacklist.html
  if not, try asking the wizard

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kuczwanski" <RKUCZWANSKI@m...> wrote:
  >
  > I have now played three times at 888.info and this has happened all
  > three times. I got a flush with two queens of clubs, a flush with
  > two Jacks of Diamonds and a pair made of two Jacks of Clubs. Since
  > this improve the odds of making something profitable, it would be
  > good if the paid site did act the same way.
  >
  > Would anyone know if this 888.info site is related to Pacific Poker
  > at 888.com? Thanks again for your time and attention.
  >
  > In reading messages, I noticed someone said that this site was only
  > for discussion of Las Vegas casinos, a place I would love to visit
  > but may never get the chance to, so I read the Rules and
  Regulations
  > again, and they indicated that my questions should be appropriate
  as
  > they state, "The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum
  > for the discussion and exchange of information about video poker
  and
  > video poker related topics. vpFREE is dedicated to promoting and
  > preserving good video poker situations that can survive and prosper
  > in an open market environment." But again, if there is a more
  > appropriate site for my questions, I do want to know about it.
  >
  > Linda Kuczwanski
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@y...> wrote:
  > >
  > > I had a similar thing happen at videopoker.com, which is the free
  > > site of Action Gaming, the licensee of the Triple Play format
  > > machines, as well as many other VP machines. So one might think
  > > their software is top-notch, but one time I got two Queens of
  > Spades
  > > in a straight flush, and another time I got two Aces of Hearts. I
  > > even posted the glitch on their own meassge board, but never
  > > recieved a response.
  > >
  > > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "kuczwanski" <RKUCZWANSKI@m...>
  > wrote:
  > > >
  > > I logged onto www.888.info for the first time yesterday having
  > seen
  > > an ad on tv yesterday because it advertises instruction in video
  > > poker. I played a free version of video poker jacks or better
  > > through the casino school link. I was very suprised when the
  > first
  > > flush I won had two Queens of Clubs in it. How is this possible?

  > I
  > > did exactly the same thing today, and this time the first flush
  > had
  > > two Jacks of Hearts in it. The site advertises that it uses the
  > MD5
  > > random number generator but does that have anything to do with
  > > this?
  > >
  > > Linda Kuczwanski

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Thanks! I appreciate all the help.

Linda Kuczwanski

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----- Original Message -----
  From: vpFREE
  To: vpFREE@Yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] newby question about 888.info, MD5 RNG, video poker

  On 6 Mar 2005 at 19:41, kuczwanski wrote:

  > I guess my main question is: Is this experience telling me something
  > about the site, or is this kind of thing frequent in online video poker.
  > In Frank Scoblete's book _Victory_at_Video_Poker_ he makes the point
  > that there is no regulation in New Jersey that would keep physical video
  > poker machines from operating like slot machines. Is this still true,
  > and is it so for online video poker? Can anyone tell me if it is true
  > in Tunica, my backyard casino area? I know this is too many question
  > for a newby, and not Las Vegas centered, so if anyone can direct me to a
  > more appropriate place for my questions, I am would be very grateful.

  You're at the right place to discuss video poker, whether it's
  Las Vegas related or not. However, you're unlikely to get very
  much feedback about online video poker, which isn't regulated and
  probably isn't patronized by most vpFREE members ... certainly not
  by me. Video Poker in Nevada, New Jersey and Mississippi OTOH is
  generally considered to be fair, and if you find two identical cards in
  a hand it would be an abberation.

  Here's another example of a gaffed deck at a freeplay site:

  http://tinyurl.com/6l9hm

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You're at the right place to discuss video poker, whether it's
Las Vegas related or not. However, you're unlikely to get very
much feedback about online video poker, which isn't regulated and
probably isn't patronized by most vpFREE members ... certainly not
by me. Video Poker in Nevada, New Jersey and Mississippi OTOH is
generally considered to be fair, and if you find two identical cards in
a hand it would be an abberation.

Here's another example of a gaffed deck at a freeplay site:

http://tinyurl.com/6l9hm

vpFREE Administrator

I also am concerned with online games and who/if anyone is overseeing
the fairness of the game. On a side note whenever I am dealt a 4 of a
kind (which happend 3 times in Laughlin) on multi hand machines I only
hold the 4 of a kind and redraw just to see if maybe sometime I might
get a 5 of a kind (that would concern me) thankfully it has not
happend yet.

Jim

Hello again! I changed the subject line so folks not interested can
skip it. The reason I pursue is mostly because I responded to a
television ad. These ads are expensive to run because they are
effective at drawing people, so I imagine many other people
responded also. Poker, Video Poker and online gambling seem to be
booming in popularity right now. The television ad as well as the
web page indicated that 888.info offers free education as well as
the opportunity of playing with real money.

Yet my play there produced an obvious error within five minutes of
each of the only three times I've played there (screenshot here:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/289827656/289829982yBbFwe). This
is the kind of error that can not be possible if the game is the
video poker that is based on a single deck of cards. Isn't that the
definition of video poker?

Frank Scoblete says in his book that in New Jersey you could be
playing a game that you thought was video poker; it can still have a
random number generator and yet without being as obvious as this
one, it can be no more like a deck of cards than a slot machine with
pictures of cards rather than pictures of fruit. This made me
wonder about Mississippi gambling regulations and made me start
thinking about online video poker. I guess the Federal
Communications Commission would be responsible for regulating
television ads, but they seem more interested in regulating
comedians and musicians.

I just want to play an honest game, I can't afford to go to Las
Vegas, and I'm very new and ignorant about all this. I'll continue
to check MS regs, and I appreciate any knowlege anyone has. It
looks as though the Wizard Of Odds web site is kind of an
independent start at exposing the world of online video poker,
although it has no place to chat with others interested in it.

As yet I've not yet spent a dime on online video poker. 888.info
advertises 24-hour support, but it doesn't seem to be directed at
anwering questions or solving the problem. While I haven't lost any
money, I can hardly see how I site like this can or should be used
to learn anything about video poker. So maybe we players that can
or want to play smart should just forget about online video poker.

Linda Kuczwanski

> I guess my main question is: Is this experience telling me

something

> about the site, or is this kind of thing frequent in online

video poker.

> In Frank Scoblete's book _Victory_at_Video_Poker_ he makes the

point

> that there is no regulation in New Jersey that would keep

physical video

> poker machines from operating like slot machines. Is this still

true,

> and is it so for online video poker? Can anyone tell me if it

is true

> in Tunica, my backyard casino area? I know this is too many

question

> for a newby, and not Las Vegas centered, so if anyone can direct

me to a

> more appropriate place for my questions, I am would be very

grateful.

You're at the right place to discuss video poker, whether it's
Las Vegas related or not. However, you're unlikely to get very
much feedback about online video poker, which isn't regulated and
probably isn't patronized by most vpFREE members ... certainly not
by me. Video Poker in Nevada, New Jersey and Mississippi OTOH is
generally considered to be fair, and if you find two identical

cards in

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:

On 6 Mar 2005 at 19:41, kuczwanski wrote:
a hand it would be an abberation.

Here's another example of a gaffed deck at a freeplay site:

http://tinyurl.com/6l9hm

vpFREE Administrator

From one of the earlier postings that referred to getting two
of the same card to a straight flush, it's possible that the
graphics cache for the browser display (assuming here that you're
playing through a browser) may be slightly out of whack.

Cheers,
Bruce

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard and Linda Kuczwanski"
<RKUCZWANSKI@m...> wrote:

···

This was great to know about! I really appreciate it.

Linda Kuczwanski

If you're prepared to do a bit of homework, there are good online VP opportunities.
A place to start would be http://www.wizardofodds.com/ and the LV Advisor Forum.
Some of the reputable online software suppliers are Microgaming and Cryptologic.
Or try Lasseters, http://www.lasseters.com.au/ , operated by the Australian government. Their Joker Wild is 99.4% base;
add in the monthly bonus of $100 with a wagering requirement (WR) of $3000 (3.3%) makes it a 102.7% game.
They also have a monthly bonus of $100 with a $4340 WR (2.3%) for a 101.7% return.
I've been playing for 4+ years and am getting the expected return. But I was also stung by 2 or 3 casinos early on.
There are also many 'roque' online casinos; see http://www.casinomeister.com/.

Fred

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----- Original Message -----
  From: kuczwanski
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:02 AM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Online Video Poker WAS: newby question about 888.info

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Thanks so much for this information! And thanks to everyone else who responded as well; I don't want to clutter the list with a lot of individual thanks, but you know who you are and I do appreciate the help.

Linda Kuczwanski

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Fred
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Online Video Poker WAS: newby question about 888.info

  If you're prepared to do a bit of homework, there are good online VP opportunities.
  A place to start would be http://www.wizardofodds.com/ and the LV Advisor Forum.
  Some of the reputable online software suppliers are Microgaming and Cryptologic.
  Or try Lasseters, http://www.lasseters.com.au/ , operated by the Australian government. Their Joker Wild is 99.4% base;
  add in the monthly bonus of $100 with a wagering requirement (WR) of $3000 (3.3%) makes it a 102.7% game.
  They also have a monthly bonus of $100 with a $4340 WR (2.3%) for a 101.7% return.
  I've been playing for 4+ years and am getting the expected return. But I was also stung by 2 or 3 casinos early on.
  There are also many 'roque' online casinos; see http://www.casinomeister.com/.

  Fred
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: kuczwanski
    To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
    Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:02 AM
    Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Online Video Poker WAS: newby question about 888.info

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I'm not sure how the graphics cache could cause this,. My computer is new, and I've emptied the temporary internet files cache.

Linda

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----- Original Message -----
  From: busbyb
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 12:01 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: newby question about 888.info, MD5 RNG, video poker

  From one of the earlier postings that referred to getting two
  of the same card to a straight flush, it's possible that the
  graphics cache for the browser display (assuming here that you're
  playing through a browser) may be slightly out of whack.

  Cheers,
  Bruce

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard and Linda Kuczwanski"
  <RKUCZWANSKI@m...> wrote:
  > This was great to know about! I really appreciate it.
  >
  > Linda Kuczwanski
  >

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Thanks for the info Fred. The fact that there is a Australian
government regulated online gambling website offering a positive play
when you include bonus cash was particularly interesting.

BTW, are you certain about the base EV for their Joker Poker? Since I
didn't register, I was unable to see the pay table, but under 'terms
and conditions' for the game they state 'the long-term average player
return for this game, as approved by the Regulatory Authority
is:91.84%.' I guess maybe the key term here is 'average player', as
opposed to a skilled advantage player?

Artmo