I am real new at VP and want to play a "100% machine" when I visit
Vegas next time. How can a person be sure of the machine if you can't
run the numbers through a software program? I have bought the Frugal
Gambler and have Frugal VP on order.Also, I am practicing on my Frugal
VP software. I make some mistakes...not a perfect gamesman. Do you
have to play a perfect game every time in order to be successful? I
get confused over the numbers.....it seems higher payouts should mean
you are playing a 100% machine. Also,Which big casino has machines
that favor the player. Been to a VP pay site and the expert does not
think highly of TI--the place we like to stay when playing VP. It
appeared that WYNN was better for VP.Is that true? Thanks for your
help in advance.
Best Regards,
Mike
Newbie wanting to be sure of Machine
Wynn does have 100% games for 25¢ through $1 --- and is the only
casino on the Strip with them. Otherwise, you need to go to the local
casinos (Stations, Fiestas, Palms, Sam's Town) to find 100% games.
Although the Frugal series is decent, it doesn't help you master
the games. For that, you probably need the Dancer/Daily Winner's Guides
available on my website. Any strategy tells you WHAT to play. The
Winner's Guides tell you WHY each play is made. This makes it much
easier to understand.
Bob Dancer
For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.
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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf
Of Mike
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2006 9:02 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Newbie wanting to be sure of Machine
I am real new at VP and want to play a "100% machine" when I visit Vegas
next time. How can a person be sure of the machine if you can't run the
numbers through a software program? I have bought the Frugal Gambler and
have Frugal VP on order.Also, I am practicing on my Frugal VP software.
I make some mistakes...not a perfect gamesman. Do you have to play a
perfect game every time in order to be successful? I get confused over
the numbers.....it seems higher payouts should mean you are playing a
100% machine. Also,Which big casino has machines that favor the player.
Been to a VP pay site and the expert does not think highly of TI--the
place we like to stay when playing VP. It appeared that WYNN was better
for VP.Is that true? Thanks for your help in advance. Best Regards, Mike
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
"Mike"wrote:
I am real new at VP and want to play a "100% machine" when I visit
Vegas next time. How can a person be sure of the machine if you can't
run the numbers through a software program? I have bought the Frugal
Gambler and have Frugal VP on order.Also, I am practicing on my
Frugal VP software. I make some mistakes...not a perfect gamesman. Do
you have to play a perfect game every time in order to be successful?I get confused over the numbers.....it seems higher payouts should
mean you are playing a 100% machine. Also,Which big casino has
machines that favor the player. Been to a VP pay site and the expert
does not think highly of TI--the place we like to stay when playing
VP. It appeared that WYNN was better for VP.Is that true? Thanks for
your help in advance.
Mike,
There's a small mountain of advice that can be unloaded on a novice
player such as yourself. I'll give you my personal molehill of
suggestions; I'm sure others will follow with more ...
Let me start with comments regarding play choices: Your best
prospects of choice come not only from opting to play a game with a
strong expected return (ER), but also in choosing games that don't
excessively challenge the money you bring to play.
Each game has a varying degree to which your results can swing to the
upside as well as downside. The more "mini jackpots" in the paytable
(say, hands paying 400 cr. and above) the greater risk that you face
of a quick drain of your funds should you not hit those hands.
Experience will tell you over time what games are most comfortable for
you, but the novice player is best off sticking the the milder of
available games until you've earned your first stripe.
In LV, my two recommendations for play is "full pay" deuces wild (the
100.7% ER version, abbr FPDW) and 9/6 Jacks or Better. The first is a
far superior game but found in few locations. Both these games have
the advantage of relatively easy to learn strategies. Learning a game
with strong proficiency is an essential success factor. High game
returns are of little use if you give away a appreciable amount of
that return due to play errors.
As an aside, I'll note it's never a good move to jump to denominations
that can bring about a swift downfall. If you want to keep losses
appreciably under $1000 for a day and $2000 for a weekend or longer,
sticking to $.25 games will best ensure that your trip bankroll sees
you through the amount of play of you desire. This means occasionally
having to forego the strongest games if they're only available in your
particular venue at higher denominations.
Once you target a game type and denomination, the next step is to
target where you'll play. The casino database here is a good start:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/LV.htm
You indicate that you'll be at TI. As you'll see, strong play choices
there are limited -- you'll be better off playing elsewhere.
Wynn does have good games, as you note, including $.25 Jacks and an
attractive (but not full pay) DW version. The single line $.25
Jacks/DW are limited to 4 multi-denom (.25/.50/1) machines -- meaning
that at the time of your visit you may find you can't get on a
machine. You need to have some other play locations in mind.
As I noted, full pay deuces wild is among the most desirable games
that a new player might approach. It has a strong return, yielding
among the strongest probabilities that you'll see good play out of
your money, and it offers a little extra spice in being a wild card
game that make it a favorite over Jacks for many players (my wife
among them 
However, you're not going to find the game in a full blown casino on
the Strip, where the joint needs a far better hold to pay for the
trappings around you than FPDW will yield. It's primarily found in
the "locals" -- the casinos that are more modest and primarily cater
to area residents.
The casino with FPDW that is most convenient to the Strip is the
Palms, which sits just off the main drag. The database reports 10
machines, which provides a good probability you'll find a machine open
at times other than peak. The machines have a kicker inasmuch as the
RF is on a progressive meter -- the payout climbs until it's hit, at
which time it's reset and then begins climbing again.
There are, of course, a large number of options from which to choose
for your casino choice. This is merely a recommendation.
···
------------
Whatever games you target for your play, you need to learn and
practice an accurate strategy for each. I've suggested focussing on
9/6 Jacks and FPDW. You want to keep your focus narrow and not
overstretch by tackling too many games at once. Modest mistakes can
carry sizable costs in terms of expected return.
Bear in mind that any paytable change calls for adjustments to
strategy. Thus, if you plan to take a stab at the Wynn DW, that
paytables calls from some sizable shifts from the strategy for FPDW.
Addressing your opening questions: The paytable for each game ends up
driving a strategy that, when played correctly, yields the strongest
return that might be expected out of that particular paytable.
Thus, a 9/6 Jacks or Better paytable is said to have an 99.54%
expected return. That assumes that you play optimal strategy. Frugal
VP software provides such a strategy. You need to learn it, with the
assitance of the software tutor, until your mistakes are limited to a
very modest number. Ultimately, because the strategy is fairly
straightforward once you get your hands around it, you want to be
playing as near error free as possible.
That's not to say that you have to play perfectly to enjoy your play.
That would be like saying that unless you're a par golfer you should
stay away from the course. But you need to take to heart that each
mistake ultimately bears out over time into tangible losses -- even if
you might get lucky on some occasions and hit a strong hand as a
consequence of a mistake.
------------
Ok, I hope there's something of value to be gleaned from those ravings
... I'll finish by offering up one unsolicited suggestion:
The body of posts in the archive here are chock full of the collected
intelligence and wisdom of some of the most experienced players
around. There's no stronger resource that an aspiring player can tap.
After all, it's very unlikely that you're going to have a question
that hasn't been posed here by a "newbie" previously.
I suggest you take some occasional random stabs at back posts online.
I think you'll come away satisfied ... and likely find fodder that
will lead to new questions to pose here once you've run it around in
your mind once or twice.
On the other hand, I posed just this suggestion to someone else
recently. I gather from their response that they feel any post older
than 24 hrs. is a little too stale for their taste
- Harry
Lots of questions from a newbie......
You don't need a computer to check paytables, all you need is a list of paytables which can be found on vpFREE
Click on this link for table listings.... http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Pay.htm .
You don't have to play perfect to be successful, but the better you play, the better you will do, plus you will
be able to play faster, which can sometimes be a benefit. You will have to decide for yourself what an acceptable
error rate is.
Higher payouts do not necessarily mean you are playing a 100% machine, you will have to check the paytables,
that is the only way to know for sure.
Wynn is better than TI. You should check the following link in vpFREE for a list of all Vegas casinos and their
inventories and pick from the list..... http://members.cox.net/vpfree/LV.htm .
Lastly spend some time looking through the vpFREE databases,
the answers to almost all your questions are there .... http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm .
Welcome to vpFREE
Regards
A.P.
···
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <M.Mooman@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Newbie wanting to be sure of Machine
I am real new at VP and want to play a "100% machine" when I visit
Vegas next time. How can a person be sure of the machine if you can't
run the numbers through a software program? I have bought the Frugal
Gambler and have Frugal VP on order.Also, I am practicing on my Frugal
VP software. I make some mistakes...not a perfect gamesman. Do you
have to play a perfect game every time in order to be successful? I
get confused over the numbers.....it seems higher payouts should mean
you are playing a 100% machine. Also,Which big casino has machines
that favor the player. Been to a VP pay site and the expert does not
think highly of TI--the place we like to stay when playing VP. It
appeared that WYNN was better for VP.Is that true? Thanks for your
help in advance.
Best Regards,
Mike
Thanks for the replies....lots of good advice. I am getting the
strategies mixed up when practicing with the software and will try my
skill with two instead of learning all. Maybe I should try a local
Casino before going to Vegas.
Thanks again. Very helpful info.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:
"Mike"wrote:
> I am real new at VP and want to play a "100% machine" when I visit
> Vegas next time. How can a person be sure of the machine if you can't
> run the numbers through a software program? I have bought the Frugal
> Gambler and have Frugal VP on order.Also, I am practicing on my
> Frugal VP software. I make some mistakes...not a perfect gamesman. Do
> you have to play a perfect game every time in order to be successful?
>
> I get confused over the numbers.....it seems higher payouts should
> mean you are playing a 100% machine. Also,Which big casino has
> machines that favor the player. Been to a VP pay site and the expert
> does not think highly of TI--the place we like to stay when playing
> VP. It appeared that WYNN was better for VP.Is that true? Thanks for
> your help in advance.Mike,
There's a small mountain of advice that can be unloaded on a novice
player such as yourself. I'll give you my personal molehill of
suggestions; I'm sure others will follow with more ...Let me start with comments regarding play choices: Your best
prospects of choice come not only from opting to play a game with a
strong expected return (ER), but also in choosing games that don't
excessively challenge the money you bring to play.Each game has a varying degree to which your results can swing to the
upside as well as downside. The more "mini jackpots" in the paytable
(say, hands paying 400 cr. and above) the greater risk that you face
of a quick drain of your funds should you not hit those hands.Experience will tell you over time what games are most comfortable for
you, but the novice player is best off sticking the the milder of
available games until you've earned your first stripe.In LV, my two recommendations for play is "full pay" deuces wild (the
100.7% ER version, abbr FPDW) and 9/6 Jacks or Better. The first is a
far superior game but found in few locations. Both these games have
the advantage of relatively easy to learn strategies. Learning a game
with strong proficiency is an essential success factor. High game
returns are of little use if you give away a appreciable amount of
that return due to play errors.As an aside, I'll note it's never a good move to jump to denominations
that can bring about a swift downfall. If you want to keep losses
appreciably under $1000 for a day and $2000 for a weekend or longer,
sticking to $.25 games will best ensure that your trip bankroll sees
you through the amount of play of you desire. This means occasionally
having to forego the strongest games if they're only available in your
particular venue at higher denominations.Once you target a game type and denomination, the next step is to
target where you'll play. The casino database here is a good start:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/LV.htmYou indicate that you'll be at TI. As you'll see, strong play choices
there are limited -- you'll be better off playing elsewhere.Wynn does have good games, as you note, including $.25 Jacks and an
attractive (but not full pay) DW version. The single line $.25
Jacks/DW are limited to 4 multi-denom (.25/.50/1) machines -- meaning
that at the time of your visit you may find you can't get on a
machine. You need to have some other play locations in mind.As I noted, full pay deuces wild is among the most desirable games
that a new player might approach. It has a strong return, yielding
among the strongest probabilities that you'll see good play out of
your money, and it offers a little extra spice in being a wild card
game that make it a favorite over Jacks for many players (my wife
among themHowever, you're not going to find the game in a full blown casino on
the Strip, where the joint needs a far better hold to pay for the
trappings around you than FPDW will yield. It's primarily found in
the "locals" -- the casinos that are more modest and primarily cater
to area residents.The casino with FPDW that is most convenient to the Strip is the
Palms, which sits just off the main drag. The database reports 10
machines, which provides a good probability you'll find a machine open
at times other than peak. The machines have a kicker inasmuch as the
RF is on a progressive meter -- the payout climbs until it's hit, at
which time it's reset and then begins climbing again.There are, of course, a large number of options from which to choose
for your casino choice. This is merely a recommendation.------------
Whatever games you target for your play, you need to learn and
practice an accurate strategy for each. I've suggested focussing on
9/6 Jacks and FPDW. You want to keep your focus narrow and not
overstretch by tackling too many games at once. Modest mistakes can
carry sizable costs in terms of expected return.Bear in mind that any paytable change calls for adjustments to
strategy. Thus, if you plan to take a stab at the Wynn DW, that
paytables calls from some sizable shifts from the strategy for FPDW.Addressing your opening questions: The paytable for each game ends up
driving a strategy that, when played correctly, yields the strongest
return that might be expected out of that particular paytable.Thus, a 9/6 Jacks or Better paytable is said to have an 99.54%
expected return. That assumes that you play optimal strategy. Frugal
VP software provides such a strategy. You need to learn it, with the
assitance of the software tutor, until your mistakes are limited to a
very modest number. Ultimately, because the strategy is fairly
straightforward once you get your hands around it, you want to be
playing as near error free as possible.That's not to say that you have to play perfectly to enjoy your play.
That would be like saying that unless you're a par golfer you should
stay away from the course. But you need to take to heart that each
mistake ultimately bears out over time into tangible losses -- even if
you might get lucky on some occasions and hit a strong hand as a
consequence of a mistake.------------
Ok, I hope there's something of value to be gleaned from those ravings
... I'll finish by offering up one unsolicited suggestion:The body of posts in the archive here are chock full of the collected
intelligence and wisdom of some of the most experienced players
around. There's no stronger resource that an aspiring player can tap.
After all, it's very unlikely that you're going to have a question
that hasn't been posed here by a "newbie" previously.I suggest you take some occasional random stabs at back posts online.
I think you'll come away satisfied ... and likely find fodder that
will lead to new questions to pose here once you've run it around in
your mind once or twice.On the other hand, I posed just this suggestion to someone else
recently. I gather from their response that they feel any post older
than 24 hrs. is a little too stale for their taste- Harry
Lots of good info in databases. Thanks for your help. I wish I could
learn at warp speed instead of a more slow pace. I also have to relay
this info to my wife. Thanks again.
Lots of questions from a newbie......
You don't need a computer to check paytables, all you need is a list of
paytables which can be found on vpFREE
Click on this link for table listings....
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Pay.htm .You don't have to play perfect to be successful, but the better you
play,
the better you will do, plus you will
be able to play faster, which can sometimes be a benefit. You will
have to
decide for yourself what an acceptable
error rate is.Higher payouts do not necessarily mean you are playing a 100%
machine, you
will have to check the paytables,
that is the only way to know for sure.Wynn is better than TI. You should check the following link in
vpFREE for a
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@...> wrote:
list of all Vegas casinos and their
inventories and pick from the list.....
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/LV.htm .Lastly spend some time looking through the vpFREE databases,
the answers to almost all your questions are there ....
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm .Welcome to vpFREE
Regards
A.P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike" <M.Mooman@...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 12:01 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Newbie wanting to be sure of Machine>I am real new at VP and want to play a "100% machine" when I visit
> Vegas next time. How can a person be sure of the machine if you can't
> run the numbers through a software program? I have bought the Frugal
> Gambler and have Frugal VP on order.Also, I am practicing on my Frugal
> VP software. I make some mistakes...not a perfect gamesman. Do you
> have to play a perfect game every time in order to be successful? I
> get confused over the numbers.....it seems higher payouts should mean
> you are playing a 100% machine. Also,Which big casino has machines
> that favor the player. Been to a VP pay site and the expert does not
> think highly of TI--the place we like to stay when playing VP. It
> appeared that WYNN was better for VP.Is that true? Thanks for your
> help in advance.
> Best Regards,
> Mike
Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:
On the other hand, I posed just this suggestion to someone else
recently. I gather from their response that they feel any post older
than 24 hrs. is a little too stale for their taste
- Harry
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes.
You can steer yourself any direction you choose.
You're on your own. And you know what you know.
And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go.... Dr. Suess
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