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#1

Greetings everyone!

I have been lurking here for a couple of months, and have done my best
to read and digest as much as possible. There is so much fantasic
information around here that it literally makes your head swim!
Thanks to everyone who's provided this for us.

Anyway, on to my questions and situation. My wife an I moved to Las
Vegas a little over a year ago, and were never really big gamblers.
We are still pretty low-limit people, never risking more than about
$20-$50 each on a weekly trip to the casinos. Most of our time in the
casino gambling has been spent at the VP Bars, simply because we enjoy
playing, we enjoy the bartenders at our regular hangouts, and we enjoy
meeting the people that come to visit. Truly one of our favorite
pastimes. Lately however, we have found that we are actually getting
pretty good at our VP games, hitting a couple Royals, a lot of 4
Deuces, and generally seeing our returns growing. To that end, we've
decided to become a little more "serious" and, while we won't be
tossing away our times at the VP Bars, we want to start setting aside
stakes to play completely separately from our purely social play at
the bar. (I suppose if for no other reason than the obvious that
playing completely sober bodes well for your chances. *lol)

Anyway, here's the crux of our situation. We have been training
ourselves on various games using "VP for Winners" and are ready to
start playing in the casinos. What I want to know is how some of you
keep track of how well you are doing and how you judge your progress?
I want to start writing down my wins/losses and keeping better track
of slot club points.

Next, the four places in town we play the most are Station, Palms,
Hard Rock and the Fitz (we love the people there *lol). Of those
four, which in your opinion is the best of the slot clubs? Are there
any better ones that we should consider? I'm sure there's lots of
opinions here, but I'd love to hear people's thoughts.

Finally, how do some of you judge how long to play, which
denominations, and when to quit? Keep in mind that we will be
starting small, most likely with $100 or so to play with at a time,
until we can truly prove to ourselves that we are getting the hang of
playing the machines "properly".

That's enough to get started...I'll reply if anyone has any questions
coming my way as well.

Thanks so much in advance everyone! We're very excited about this and
look forward to hearing everyone's opinions.

Thanks,
KS

#2

kaysersoze2000 wrote:

What I want to know is how some of you keep track of how well you are
doing and how you judge your progress?

Keeping a gambling log, aside from IRS requirements,
is a good reality check on how much you are winning or
losing. Include all benefits derived from gambling
including wins/losses on the games, same-day cashback,
bounceback cash and anything else that has real value
to you.

Next, the four places in town we play the most are Station, Palms,
Hard Rock and the Fitz (we love the people there *lol). Of those
four, which in your opinion is the best of the slot clubs? Are there
any better ones that we should consider?

Evaluating a slot club is only part of the picture.
When deciding where to play, include everything of
value that you would get at that casino, including the
ER of the games you will play. Compare that total to
the same total for other casinos.

There are some ongoing vpFREE favorite Las Vegas
casino polls. The Palms and Sam's Town are the top two
among 25c playing locals. I would take a look at Cannery
and Rampart also.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/polls

Finally, how do some of you judge how long to play, which
denominations, and when to quit?

We play the games at the casinos where we get the
highest EV per hour within our bankroll. We play as
many hours per day or week that we enjoy playing. Quit
when you're tired, distracted or want to do something else.

vpFae

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On 16 Nov 2007 at 22:15, Kayser Soze wrote:

#3

Well, IMHO - keep it simple. Take a pocket notebook with you - you
know how much gambling money (or should) you have walked into the
casino with - write down the name and date of the casino - when you
leave (count how much money you walk out with ) write the difference
down and add it to your total (whether its negative or
positive)..each casino you walk into and out of should be recorded.
That is the simplest way I can think of that lets you know how well
you are doing. You obviously can get real involved later in
recording game, times, denoms, even certain hand, but that is up to
you. I also recommend that you set a loss limit but also a win
limit. That way - you don't end up losing all of your winnings.
Just some thoughts of mine. I am sure everyone has their own way of
doing it and you will get great ideas from here. BTW - from my
experiences - the Vp at bars usually have very poor pay schedules.
(that is just a side note - so you might want to try not playing
there if you want to maximize your gambling money) I can think of
several good vp at bars but counting the number of casinos in the
state and the bars in the casinos - the good playing bars are few in
numbers.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Kayser Soze" <kaysersoze2000@...>
wrote:

Greetings everyone!

I have been lurking here for a couple of months, and have done my

best

to read and digest as much as possible. There is so much fantasic
information around here that it literally makes your head swim!
Thanks to everyone who's provided this for us.

Anyway, on to my questions and situation. My wife an I moved to

Las

Vegas a little over a year ago, and were never really big

gamblers.
.

Finally, how do some of you judge how long to play, which
denominations, and when to quit? Keep in mind that we will be
starting small, most likely with $100 or so to play with at a time,
until we can truly prove to ourselves that we are getting the hang

of

playing the machines "properly".

That's enough to get started...I'll reply if anyone has any

questions

coming my way as well.

Thanks so much in advance everyone! We're very excited about this

and

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look forward to hearing everyone's opinions.

Thanks,
KS