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#1

"Adams Myth" Wrote:

I have heard of 8/5 through 10/7 versions of Jacks or Better.

Linda Boyd Wrote:

Some video poker games are named by manufacturers and some by players.

If the game is named by the manufacturer--like Jacks or Better--there may be several versions of the same game.
If the game is named by players--like Full-Pay Deuces Wild or Not-So-Ugly Deuces Wild--then the pay table must be exact.

I wrote an article called "The Video Poker Name Game" for this month's Midwest Gaming and Travel. The question you ask--a good one--is answered in detail within that article.

Here's the link:

http://www.midwestgamingandtravel.com

Press Archives>Video Poker>Video poker Name Game (July, 2006)

Linda Boyd
Author: "The Video Poker Edge"
www.squareonepublishers.com
Toll Free: 1-877-900-2665
Amazon.com/Bookstores: Stocked or By Order

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#2

Linda Boyd wrote:

If the game is named by players--like Full-Pay Deuces Wild or
Not-So-Ugly Deuces Wild--then the pay table must be exact.

There's one or two modest exceptions when it comes to paytables that
are so undesirable that there's no need for precision. An example
would be any DW paytable that runs south of the 98.9% ER of Ugly Ducks.

"Butt Ugly Ducks" covers the whole flock (the only subspecies to be
found in AC :frowning:

- Harry

btw, I was curious about the "collective noun" for ducks. (A
collective noun is the descriptor for a group of a given object --
e.g. a "gaggle" of geese.)

A search produced a "flush of ducks".

#3

Okay, Miss Linda, I just read that article. Thanks for the reference.

Question: Is it fair to compare the return on an hours's play of FPDW
on a quarter machine with that of an hour's play on a 10/7 DB
on a $5 machine? And conclude that DB with an ER of 100.17 is more
profitable than FPDW with an ER of 100.76?

This may be the accepted way of looking at things in the Video Poker
universe, but it doesn't sound right.

I am comparing this with the ollowing scenario. Suppose you buy 100
shares of a $10 stock that pays 5% dividend. That's $50 in dividend.

But if you buy a 100 shares of a $50 stock that pays only 3% in
dividend. You would get a dividend of $150. Would you say the $50
stock is a better buy?

I can see a flaw in my reasoning. If one has practically unlimited
bankroll, but a very limited amount of time, playing the $5 DB is the
thing to do. I guess for a professional video poker player, playing
for very high stakes, time becomes a paramount consideration. But
for "ordinary" players, it doesn't apply.

Do I have a point, or am I chasing a Royal hoding a ten spot?

A Myth

Linda Boyd Wrote: (in the referenced article)

As you can see, even though Full Pay Deuces Wild has a higher ER
(100.76%) than 10/7 Double Bonus (100.17%), the EV for 10/7 Double
Bonus is higher. In fact, for each hour of play, you can expect to
win $23.10 more playing Double Bonus Poker than you would playing
Full Pay Deuces Wild in the denominations specified.

Reading it again, I do see your point. But it applies only to the
rather limited world of serious, professional video poker players;
The Dancers, Boyds, Hugheses, Scotts, ... (I really don't know who
else that post here regularly are professionals).

#4

Adams Myth wrote:

Do I have a point, or am I chasing a Royal holding a ten spot?

Don't make light of that hold ... it's my fantasy hit when playing DJ :slight_smile:

(fantasy is about right -- off the top of my head, I figure it's
something like a 1 in 50 mil+ hand occurance ... it's not often that
you hold a lone T in the game)

- H.

#5

Adams Myth wrote:

Do I have a point, or am I chasing a Royal holding a ten spot?

Don't make light of that hold ... it's my fantasy hit when playing DJ :slight_smile:

(fantasy is about right -- off the top of my head, I figure it's
something like a 1 in 50 mil+ hand occurance ... it's not often that
you hold a lone T in the game)

- H.

Some years ago a coworker was happily telling me about getting a royal
flush at a nearby Indian casino.
I asked what game she was playing and what she held...

She said she was playing Double Bonus (it was a 9/6 25c machine) and she
held a lone ten!

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

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#6

No, you are off by a factor of ten at least.
The odds are much better.

Cards in the deck after the initial deal - 47
Holding a Ten (or any of the gang of five)
probability of getting a 2nd Royal card 1 in 47
probability of getting a 3rd Royal card 1 in 46
probability of getting a 4th Royal card 1 in 45
probability of getting the 5th Royal card 1 in 44
So the chances of completing the Royal Flush,
holding any one of the five cards is 1 in 4280760

The funny thing is, the odds are the same whether you are holding the
ten or the Ace. Ten just seems unworthy of the event compared to an
Ace.

A Myth

Adams Myth wrote:
> Do I have a point, or am I chasing a Royal holding a ten spot?

Don't make light of that hold ... it's my fantasy hit when playing

DJ :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

(fantasy is about right -- off the top of my head, I figure it's
something like a 1 in 50 mil+ hand occurance ... it's not often that
you hold a lone T in the game)

- H.

#7

Actually it is one in 178,365---which is the number of final hand
combinations holding one card, so long as you don't care about the
order of the final hand. Remember for the first card on the draw
there are 4 royal cards in the remaining deck, etc, so it's

4/47 * 3/46 * 2/45 * 1/44 = 1/178,365

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Adams Myth" <Adams_Myth@...> wrote:

No, you are off by a factor of ten at least.
The odds are much better.

Cards in the deck after the initial deal - 47
Holding a Ten (or any of the gang of five)
probability of getting a 2nd Royal card 1 in 47
probability of getting a 3rd Royal card 1 in 46
probability of getting a 4th Royal card 1 in 45
probability of getting the 5th Royal card 1 in 44
So the chances of completing the Royal Flush,
holding any one of the five cards is 1 in 4280760

#8

Adams Myth wrote:

No, you are off by a factor of ten at least.
The odds are much better.

Cards in the deck after the initial deal - 47
Holding a Ten (or any of the gang of five)
probability of getting a 2nd Royal card 1 in 47
probability of getting a 3rd Royal card 1 in 46
probability of getting a 4th Royal card 1 in 45
probability of getting the 5th Royal card 1 in 44
So the chances of completing the Royal Flush,
holding any one of the five cards is 1 in 4280760

The funny thing is, the odds are the same whether you are holding the
ten or the Ace. Ten just seems unworthy of the event compared to an
Ace.

Now go back and do a little homework. The game is 9/5 DJ (which can
be found in a small number of casinos, as noted in the database here).

You've omitted the odds that you'll actually hold just the Ten from a
given deal. I guarantee that, in fact, I've overstated the odds in my
"back of the envelope" estimate.

For that matter, if you play a "non penalty card" strategy, the odds
are 0.

- H.

#9

That's right. Now the odds are 300 times better than Harry suspected.

Damn, the other day I wasted that ten spot!

A Myth

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "dddddmike" <ddddmike@...> wrote:

....Remember for the first card on the draw
there are 4 royal cards in the remaining deck, etc, so it's

4/47 * 3/46 * 2/45 * 1/44 = 1/178,365