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new york video poker

#1

As I have said in the past these machines in New York State are cheaters regardless of their legality.
Imagaine a player finding a '$5 All-American' game. He (or she) thinks he has a 0.7% edge. Does a few
calculations and finds out that his bankroll of $500,000 has almost 0 chance of tapping out. Loses his entire
bankroll. Simaler things have happened to me in the past (although not as much money, as in the senario).
Shame on NYS and other places that have these 'legal games'. Don't you think that when a player goes into a
state sanctioned casino, that player deserves a fair and honest game? These casinos are like the underground
places in the past where cheating was rampent and all with THE BLESSING OF THE STATE. As you can tell I
am furious about this.

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#2

One of the problems is that the general public doesn't understand the difference, and most of them just don't care. Why do you think people will play an 8/5 JOB game when a 9/6 game sits empty right next to them? Besides just being plain unobservant, there are a LOT of people who think the pay table doesn't really make a difference, or even worse - think the 9/6 machine must be set "tighter" somehow. And to make matters more confusing, there are some gaming jurisdictions where these people are right!

If everyone understood and demanded real, random video poker, (and stopped playing the "fake" games) the casinos that operate in these VLT type jurisdictions might put pressure on the regulators to change the rules, but that's not going to happen. If you try to explain the concepts of random card selection, calculated return based on the pay table, etc., most people will look at you like you just turned into a two headed alien.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nordo123@..." <Nordo123@...> wrote:

As I have said in the past these machines in New York State are cheaters regardless of their legality....... Don't you think that when a player goes into a state sanctioned casino, that player deserves a fair and honest game? These casinos are like the underground
places in the past where cheating was rampent and all with THE BLESSING OF THE STATE. As you can tell I
am furious about this.

#3

To my knowledge, at the present time there are only two jurisdictions where the video poker in a non-Indian casino is not random -- New York and Washington State. Both of these are due to the enabling legislation. It is not a question of the casinos putting pressure on the regulators/gaming commission to allow a random deal.

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From: eecounter@hotmail.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2013 13:15:47 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: new york video poker

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> As I have said in the past these machines in New York State are cheaters regardless of their legality....... Don't you think that when a player goes into a state sanctioned casino, that player deserves a fair and honest game? These casinos are like the underground
> places in the past where cheating was rampent and all with THE BLESSING OF THE STATE. As you can tell I
> am furious about this.
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One of the problems is that the general public doesn't understand the difference, and most of them just don't care. Why do you think people will play an 8/5 JOB game when a 9/6 game sits empty right next to them? Besides just being plain unobservant, there are a LOT of people who think the pay table doesn't really make a difference, or even worse - think the 9/6 machine must be set "tighter" somehow. And to make matters more confusing, there are some gaming jurisdictions where these people are right!

If everyone understood and demanded real, random video poker, (and stopped playing the "fake" games) the casinos that operate in these VLT type jurisdictions might put pressure on the regulators to change the rules, but that's not going to happen. If you try to explain the concepts of random card selection, calculated return based on the pay table, etc., most people will look at you like you just turned into a two headed alien.

EE

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nordo123@..." <Nordo123@...> wrote:

#4

I believe in New York you will see a a statement on the machine that says something to the effect that the cards shown are for display purposes and if you read the help menu it will also have language that indicates that it is not a random deal.

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From: Nordo123@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 15:27:28 -0400
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] new york video poker

As I have said in the past these machines in New York State are cheaters regardless of their legality.
Imagaine a player finding a '$5 All-American' game. He (or she) thinks he has a 0.7% edge. Does a few
calculations and finds out that his bankroll of $500,000 has almost 0 chance of tapping out. Loses his entire
bankroll. Simaler things have happened to me in the past (although not as much money, as in the senario).
Shame on NYS and other places that have these 'legal games'. Don't you think that when a player goes into a
state sanctioned casino, that player deserves a fair and honest game? These casinos are like the underground
places in the past where cheating was rampent and all with THE BLESSING OF THE STATE. As you can tell I
am furious about this.

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#5

Also what else is confusing now is the usage of VLT being synonymous with non-randomly dealt video poker, when that is not always the case. In some states, primarily newer jurisdictions like Maryland and Ohio, VLTs are required to deal poker from a random deck. Oregon VLTs are also required to deal from a random deck. They just call them VLTs because the state lottery manages them. It really all depends on the state law. But I'm sure most of us agree that offering video poker from a non-random deck is very misleading and really shouldn't be allowed in any state.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:

To my knowledge, at the present time there are only two jurisdictions where the video poker in a non-Indian casino is not random -- New York and Washington State. Both of these are due to the enabling legislation. It is not a question of the casinos putting pressure on the regulators/gaming commission to allow a random deal.