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New VP variation at Windsor?

Went to the Windsor casino on the day after Thanksgiving on the
pleadings of my ladyfriend - she likes the place, and I figured I'd
do it just to make her happy. Knew the VP sucks there, but I could
play blackjack instead of VP for a change. Found a VP game at the
Windsor casino that I hadn't seen before. Called "Play It Again",
this one ought to give the math folks in this group something to chew
on for a while. Here's the paytable:

4000 Royal
250 SF
800 Aces w/ 2-3-4 kicker
400 Aces
200 2/3/4
150 5-K
30 FH
25 Fl
20 St
10 trips
5 2P or JoB

The real kicker to this game is that you can rebet one time and get
the exact same dealt hand you got on the previous bet. Knowing
Windsor's mostly horrible VP, I figure that it's a crappy game, but I
stuffed a twenty in just for the hell of it. Shortly after starting,
I got 4 jacks dealt - which meant that I ended up with 4 jacks dealt
twice in a row!

- Brian in MI

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "marksalot300" <Marksalot300@a...>
wrote:

Went to the Windsor casino on the day after Thanksgiving on the
pleadings of my ladyfriend - she likes the place, and I figured

I'd

do it just to make her happy. Knew the VP sucks there, but I

could

play blackjack instead of VP for a change. Found a VP game at the
Windsor casino that I hadn't seen before. Called "Play It Again",
this one ought to give the math folks in this group something to

chew

on for a while. Here's the paytable:

4000 Royal
250 SF
800 Aces w/ 2-3-4 kicker
400 Aces
200 2/3/4
150 5-K
30 FH
25 Fl
20 St
10 trips
5 2P or JoB

The real kicker to this game is that you can rebet one time and

get

the exact same dealt hand you got on the previous bet. Knowing
Windsor's mostly horrible VP, I figure that it's a crappy game,

but I

stuffed a twenty in just for the hell of it. Shortly after

starting,

I got 4 jacks dealt - which meant that I ended up with 4 jacks

dealt

twice in a row!

- Brian in MI

Just looking at it (not bothering to do the math), this looks like
an 80% return game without the "play it again" feature. Since DEALT
good hands are quite rare (it's just over 50/1 against getting dealt
trips, for example), I doubt that the bonus does you all that much
good.
As for dealt PLAYABLE hands, such as KK953, the benefit is to
exchange the next hand (worth .8 bets if selected randomly) for a
hand with positve EV (maybe something like 1.4 for the kings). Not
all that massive of a gain. Even the ultimate "replay"--getting to
redraw to four-to-a-royal--is only worth about 18 bets or so.
(PLEASE don't anybody bitch about the math here--I KNOW I'm
guessing. It ain't worth the bother to spend half an hour to figure
it out exactly.)
I don't see how you could overcome this ghastly paytable with the
repeat hands enough to bring your EV above 100% (or even close).
Plus, the volatility of this game must be to the moon, Alice.

Rock - I agree completely that the volatility must be totally huge,
it's set up like a DDB with really crappy payouts on the minor
payoffs, as well as ugly payouts for quads at all levels. But it
looked interesting just from a curiousity point of view, and I
thought the math guys on this board (Iggy? Are you there?) might
just appreciate a challenge.

- Brian in MI

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333"
<rockofjello333@y...> wrote:

Just looking at it (not bothering to do the math), this looks like
an 80% return game without the "play it again" feature. Since

DEALT

good hands are quite rare (it's just over 50/1 against getting

dealt

trips, for example), I doubt that the bonus does you all that much
good.
As for dealt PLAYABLE hands, such as KK953, the benefit is to
exchange the next hand (worth .8 bets if selected randomly) for a
hand with positve EV (maybe something like 1.4 for the kings). Not
all that massive of a gain. Even the ultimate "replay"--getting to
redraw to four-to-a-royal--is only worth about 18 bets or so.
(PLEASE don't anybody bitch about the math here--I KNOW I'm
guessing. It ain't worth the bother to spend half an hour to

figure

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it out exactly.)
I don't see how you could overcome this ghastly paytable with the
repeat hands enough to bring your EV above 100% (or even close).
Plus, the volatility of this game must be to the moon, Alice.