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New VP Progressives in Arizona

Part fact - Part question
  Harrah's Ah Chin is in Maricopa, AZ and about 25 miles south of
Phoenix. They have just changed a bank (12 machines I think) of
previously non playable games to $1 8/5 JoB Progressives. I have
found a chart that says it the game 100% at $2166.50. Is this the
amount for a royal at one coin?. I assume this is the answer since
the max coin royal is a now a little over $10,000. I do not know what
the reset is, but could ask if anyone even cares. These machines just
became available in the last couple of days and were immediately a
little over $10,000.
  Would advantage players ever get excited to playing these 97.30%
short pay progressives? Please assume the fact of limited choices at
a location. As I had previously reported to this group, they do have
a bank of six $1 99.54% 9/6 JoB non progressives at Ah Chin. I am
guessing that once the 8/5 Job is equivalent to 99.54% it still would
not be the game of choice. My reasoning is that it only gets to
99.54% on a progressive payoff of a hard to get royal flush. If this
assumption is true, at what level would a serious player ever switch
to the short pay 8/5 JoB progressive over the 9/6 non progressive JoB?
  A second point of information and question is that for some time
they have had a bank of about 12 $2 DDB 97.87% available.
Acknowledging the higher denomination and that their is a much higher
variance, when would these short pay progressive machines be worth
playing over a 9/6 JoB?

Thanks,
Bob

   I have
found a chart that says it the game 100% at $2166.50. Is this the
amount for a royal at one coin?. I assume this is the answer since
the max coin royal is a now a little over $10,000.

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$2166.50 is the royal amount required for QUARTER, 8/5 JOB with full
coin-in. On that dollar game, the royal meter would have to be at
$8666. With the meter just over $10,000 the game is 100.8229% but you
should have a big bank roll to go after it.

Thanks,
  The chart did not have any headings and I never though of
denominations. That make the entire chart more valuable! At
what point, considering the risk, do some of you want to risk
a larger bankroll and what size of bankroll are we talking
about? I never gave the DDB progresssive much thought since
it is a $2 bank in the game has an even higher variance!

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> I have found a chart that says it the game 100% at $2166.50.

Is this the amount for a royal at one coin?. I assume this is the
answer since the max coin royal is a now a little over $10,000.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

$2166.50 is the royal amount required for QUARTER, 8/5 JOB with full
coin-in. On that dollar game, the royal meter would have to be at
$8666. With the meter just over $10,000 the game is 100.8229% but

you

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "futrend" <futrend@y...> wrote:
should have a big bank roll to go after it.

Harrah's Ah Chin is in Maricopa, AZ and about 25 miles south of
Phoenix. They have just changed a bank (12 machines I think) of
previously non playable games to $1 8/5 JoB Progressives. I have
found a chart that says it the game 100% at $2166.50. Is this the
amount for a royal at one coin?.

Sounds like the amount for a 5 coin quarters game. You can get return,
variance and bankroll here:
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/analyzer/CindyProg.html

If this
assumption is true, at what level would a serious player ever switch
to the short pay 8/5 JoB progressive over the 9/6 non progressive JoB?

One way to rate a gamble is with the Sharpe Ratio:
(er-1+cashback)/sqrt(variance), the higher the number the better the
gamble, assuming you are willing to commit the necessary bankroll.
(sqrt=square root)

Examples:

FPDW: er=1.0076, variance=25.8, Sharpe Ratio= 0.0015
800/9/6 JOB: er=0.99544, variance=19.5, Sharpe Ratio= -0.001
1600/9/6 JOB: er=1.0186, variance=81.8, Sharpe Ratio= 0.0021
800/9/6 DDB: er=0.98981, variance=42, Sharpe Ratio= -0.0016
1600/9/6 DDB: er=1.0127, variance=104.7, Sharpe Ratio= 0.0012

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