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Hello All,
     My name is Jason, new to the vpFREE group. I have been playing
VP for the past couple of years after reading Jean Scott's Frugal
Gambling books (Thanks Jean!!). I have had limited success with
winning, and am still chasing my first Royal Flush. I would
consider myself a very low roller, as my wife & I only get to LV
about once a year (2003 was a fluke when we got to go three times),
and I usually have a very small bankroll to take. However, VP is much
more fun for me because usually I am able to win something, no matter
how
small, compared to almost never winning anything playing slots.
     Anyway, I did have a couple of questions and observations, and
was hoping to get some feedback from current members of this group.
My first question has to do with VP training tools. I have been using
the Bob Dancer cards & computer program for help & tutoring since
learning about VP from Jean's book. Now I see that Jean has developed
her own "Frugal VP" and tip cards, and I am just wondering if I
should continue with the Bob Dancer system or try switching to Frugal
VP? I usually play the middle level of the Bob Dancer tip cards
(Level 3 I believe) because I have not mastered the "pelalty" card
plays, but I do well with this level when practicing on the computer,
so I'm not sure exactly which level I actually play at. Is any one
better than the other? Would switching tutors just cause more
confusion? I would appreciate any feedback if anyone has used both.
     My second question has to do with playing VP at the Hard Rock
Hotel. Is there a resource for findinig out how their (as well as
other casino's) slot clubs work? I was just in LV the week of Sept.
6th with my wife & ended up playing 9/6 JoB for 2-1/2 hours on
$50.00. Needless to say, I walked away after that time leaving the
$50.00 in the machine. During that time I ended up adding about 22
points to my card. When I went to check at the slot club booth if I
had earned anything as far as comps went, and was told I would have
to run my total to 50 points (I believe it was at about 37 or so)
before I could get a whopping $5.00 in cash. I was somewhat disgusted
with the fact that my play earned me nothing, and just went back to
my room to turn in for the evening. In hind sight I guess I should
have tried to locate a slot host to ask if I could maybe get a comp
for breakfast or something, but that didn't occur to me until the
next morning. Is this format typical for LV casinos or is the Hard
Rock have a unique system? I can't believeWe stayed at the Flamingo
three nights before staying at the Hard Rock on the same trip and
were able to earn $26 comp dollars which we took off our room charge
from slot & VP play. Because of that I'm guessing the Hard Rock
operates their own specialized set of rules but was just curious if
other casinos have such "stingy" clubs. I love staying there, but am
not so excited about playing there in the future.
      Finaly my last question/observation has to do with VP at strip
properties. On our most recent trip in September, I was highly
disappointed to find less & less optimal machines on the strip at
hotels we like to frequent. The 9/6 JoB were gone from the Flamingo
as well as Harrah's, and the Pick'em machines at Bally's & Flamingo
are gone as well. I'm just glad I can take the strip shuttle to the
Palms to play there. I know from reading Jean's book that many of the
local's casinos offer optimal machines, but are these places
accessible from the strip? We normally don't rent a car, so unless a
shuttle goes there, we can't get there. Any advice or suggestions on
how to find the best places to play would be appreciated.
     Well, I guess I should probably stop there. Thanks for the long
read, and if anyone has any advice/comments/suggestions, I'm all ears.

Thanks,
Jason

Hello All,
     My name is Jason, new to the vpFREE group. I have been playing
VP for the past couple of years after reading Jean Scott's Frugal
Gambling books (Thanks Jean!!). I have had limited success with
winning, and am still chasing my first Royal Flush. I would

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Thanks,
Jason

As far as games go, the data base accessable from the home page is
very current with each LV casinos game offerings, so check before
planning a trip. It also has slot club info, so that might be all you
need. Of course promotions change continuiosly so stay up with this
group. I only have WinPoker and other than lacking quite a few of the
new type games it seems to be a good trainer, and I have VPSM for
printing stratagy cards, which is nice since I am in STL and lots of
the positive games are due to progressives and I can set the values
and print a new card.

good luck on your first royal
Jim

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jayinwis" <AMY4JASON@a...> wrote:

> Hello All,
> My name is Jason, new to the vpFREE group. I have been playing
> VP for the past couple of years after reading Jean Scott's Frugal
> Gambling books (Thanks Jean!!). I have had limited success with
> winning, and am still chasing my first Royal Flush. I would

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>
> Thanks,
> Jason

Couple suggestions: First at your level of play you and your wife
would be better off playing on the same account (get two cards in your
name or hers). You will start getting comps much sooner and comps are
usually written for two persons anyway. Secondly, get to know a
casino host. A host can do a lot more for you than the booth
personnel. The boothlings are bound by rigid rules -- x points = y
comps. Period.

You may want to consider Sam's Town for VP. They run free shuttle
buses every hour or so and pick up at Harrah', San Remo, Stardust,
Burbon St, and a couple places downtown.

Good luck and go hit a royal,

Rick

Hi Jason,

One option to consider for VP is Palace Station. They have one bank of maybe 10 machines that have many good games such as .25 FPDW, and 10/7 DB, and 10/6 DDB.
These all return over 100% as you probadly know. I like Palace Station because its close to the strip and these machines are never crowded.

When I have been able to catch a host, they seem fairly generous with the food comps.

Good luck and let me know when you hit that 1st royal.

Nelson

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jayinwis <AMY4JASON@aol.com> wrote:
Hello All,
     My name is Jason, new to the vpFREE group. I have been playing
VP for the past couple of years after reading Jean Scott's Frugal
Gambling books (Thanks Jean!!). I have had limited success with
winning, and am still chasing my first Royal Flush. I would
consider myself a very low roller, as my wife & I only get to LV
about once a year (2003 was a fluke when we got to go three times),
and I usually have a very small bankroll to take. However, VP is much
more fun for me because usually I am able to win something, no matter
how
small, compared to almost never winning anything playing slots.
     Anyway, I did have a couple of questions and observations, and
was hoping to get some feedback from current members of this group.
My first question has to do with VP training tools. I have been using
the Bob Dancer cards & computer program for help & tutoring since
learning about VP from Jean's book. Now I see that Jean has developed
her own "Frugal VP" and tip cards, and I am just wondering if I
should continue with the Bob Dancer system or try switching to Frugal
VP? I usually play the middle level of the Bob Dancer tip cards
(Level 3 I believe) because I have not mastered the "pelalty" card
plays, but I do well with this level when practicing on the computer,
so I'm not sure exactly which level I actually play at. Is any one
better than the other? Would switching tutors just cause more
confusion? I would appreciate any feedback if anyone has used both.
     My second question has to do with playing VP at the Hard Rock
Hotel. Is there a resource for findinig out how their (as well as
other casino's) slot clubs work? I was just in LV the week of Sept.
6th with my wife & ended up playing 9/6 JoB for 2-1/2 hours on
$50.00. Needless to say, I walked away after that time leaving the
$50.00 in the machine. During that time I ended up adding about 22
points to my card. When I went to check at the slot club booth if I
had earned anything as far as comps went, and was told I would have
to run my total to 50 points (I believe it was at about 37 or so)
before I could get a whopping $5.00 in cash. I was somewhat disgusted
with the fact that my play earned me nothing, and just went back to
my room to turn in for the evening. In hind sight I guess I should
have tried to locate a slot host to ask if I could maybe get a comp
for breakfast or something, but that didn't occur to me until the
next morning. Is this format typical for LV casinos or is the Hard
Rock have a unique system? I can't believeWe stayed at the Flamingo
three nights before staying at the Hard Rock on the same trip and
were able to earn $26 comp dollars which we took off our room charge
from slot & VP play. Because of that I'm guessing the Hard Rock
operates their own specialized set of rules but was just curious if
other casinos have such "stingy" clubs. I love staying there, but am
not so excited about playing there in the future.
      Finaly my last question/observation has to do with VP at strip
properties. On our most recent trip in September, I was highly
disappointed to find less & less optimal machines on the strip at
hotels we like to frequent. The 9/6 JoB were gone from the Flamingo
as well as Harrah's, and the Pick'em machines at Bally's & Flamingo
are gone as well. I'm just glad I can take the strip shuttle to the
Palms to play there. I know from reading Jean's book that many of the
local's casinos offer optimal machines, but are these places
accessible from the strip? We normally don't rent a car, so unless a
shuttle goes there, we can't get there. Any advice or suggestions on
how to find the best places to play would be appreciated.
     Well, I guess I should probably stop there. Thanks for the long
read, and if anyone has any advice/comments/suggestions, I'm all ears.

Thanks,
Jason

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small, compared to almost never winning anything playing slots.
     Anyway, I did have a couple of questions and observations, and
was hoping to get some feedback from current members of this group.
My first question has to do with VP training tools. I have been using
the Bob Dancer cards & computer program for help & tutoring since
learning about VP from Jean's book. Now I see that Jean has developed
her own "Frugal VP" and tip cards, and I am just wondering if I
should continue with the Bob Dancer system or try switching to Frugal
VP? I usually play the middle level of the Bob Dancer tip cards
(Level 3 I believe) because I have not mastered the "pelalty" card
plays, but I do well with this level when practicing on the computer,
so I'm not sure exactly which level I actually play at. Is any one
better than the other? Would switching tutors just cause more
confusion? I would appreciate any feedback if anyone has used both.

You're a light quarter action once a year player? Unless you have an academic curiosity in vp, you have enough to get by, IMO. When you need to print your own strategy charts, analyze unusual paytables and progressive situations, then you may want to buy FVP. It's a good product.

     My second question has to do with playing VP at the Hard Rock
Hotel. Is there a resource for findinig out how their (as well as
other casino's) slot clubs work?

The vpFREE casino database, glossary, FAQ and links page are excellent resources. Use them. You will find specific casino inventories and slot club info as well as answers to most questions asked here.

I was just in LV the week of Sept.
6th with my wife & ended up playing 9/6 JoB for 2-1/2 hours on
$50.00. Needless to say, I walked away after that time leaving the
$50.00 in the machine. During that time I ended up adding about 22
points to my card. When I went to check at the slot club booth if I
had earned anything as far as comps went, and was told I would have
to run my total to 50 points (I believe it was at about 37 or so)
before I could get a whopping $5.00 in cash. I was somewhat disgusted
with the fact that my play earned me nothing, and just went back to
my room to turn in for the evening. In hind sight I guess I should
have tried to locate a slot host to ask if I could maybe get a comp
for breakfast or something, but that didn't occur to me until the
next morning. Is this format typical for LV casinos or is the Hard
Rock have a unique system? I can't believeWe stayed at the Flamingo
three nights before staying at the Hard Rock on the same trip and
were able to earn $26 comp dollars which we took off our room charge
from slot & VP play. Because of that I'm guessing the Hard Rock
operates their own specialized set of rules but was just curious if
other casinos have such "stingy" clubs. I love staying there, but am
not so excited about playing there in the future.

CB is sometimes important, but for the tourist offering some light play once a year, it doesn't add up to much. Comp dollars that add up faster at properties such as Caesars or easy to earn discretionary comps may well be more valuable to some tourists. IMO, marketing offers for free and discounted room rates (and other stuff) is where many tourists get the biggest bang for their gambling dollar. You'll have to figure out what is important to you.

      Finaly my last question/observation has to do with VP at strip
properties. On our most recent trip in September, I was highly
disappointed to find less & less optimal machines on the strip at
hotels we like to frequent. The 9/6 JoB were gone from the Flamingo
as well as Harrah's, and the Pick'em machines at Bally's & Flamingo
are gone as well. I'm just glad I can take the strip shuttle to the
Palms to play there. I know from reading Jean's book that many of the
local's casinos offer optimal machines, but are these places
accessible from the strip? We normally don't rent a car, so unless a
shuttle goes there, we can't get there. Any advice or suggestions on
how to find the best places to play would be appreciated.

The Palms may be a good opportunity for locals and is a very pleasant place to play, but you will not get CB and you are very unlikely to get much in the way of valuable marketing offers for your quarter play. If you are looking for quarter JB games, there are still places on the Strip and downtown that may work for you. Look at the vpFREE database, hotel sites and tourist sites (cheapovegas, for example) and figure out what is important to you. It is not always a simple equation for the tourist and there is no single right answer.

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