They were put on today, just above the card readers. They say, "This machine
is excluded from any promotions."
We already know that the 100%+ machines don't give double or triple points.
It seems quite certain that any future COTD promo, or double Royal promo, or
any promo based upon a certain hand hit, will now be excluded on these
machines. It remains to be seen if there will be any other effects--hopefully not!
Brian
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(quote)It remains to be seen if there will be any other effects!
Brian(/quote)
One effect, is that on account of it, I will never enter the place.
Al
(quote)It remains to be seen if there will be any other effects!
Brian(/quote)
One effect, is that on account of it, I will never enter the place.
Al
On the positive side, it seems that they are planning to keep the full-pay machines. --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "westwind281wagb" <jacks1eyed@n...> wrote:
What they are referring to is likely the machines will be ineligible
to get drawing tickets. Not to worry, the guys winning the drawings
are playing Deuces,not 10-7.
The real question is, how does a guy like Don Hallmark (Director of
Slot Ops) have the job he has? Don doesn't get that I play at the
Palms (unprofitably, but good comps) because it is precisely NOT a
Stations (Don came from Palace, and Stations, unfortunately, has 8% of
the Palms). Don, please take Mike Shackleford's class at UNLV on
casino math, you might learn something there. If you ask nice, maybe
he'll explain to you how volatile VP is. If you ask me nice, maybe
I'll explain to you the concept of real world EV. Actually, go to
gamblingtools.net and figure out the RoR yourself.
There must be a Slot Ops Empty Suit contest this month. Paladin has
quite a few stories to tell. I think the next one will have to do with
Super Times Pay. Yeah, it's like half of Vegas has this on their Palm
Pilots: 1) Learn 10-7. 2) Crush the Maloofs with that monster .17%
edge. 3) Buy out the Kings 4) Party with Hef.
Getting back to the thread, posting stickers above those machines is
such ill will towards mostly non-professional customers that Don
should seriously think about downgrading them to 9-7. That's what he
probably would like to do anyway if he could, and would solve a lot of
headaches (and create new ones).
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "westwind281wagb" <jacks1eyed@n...> wrote:
(quote)It remains to be seen if there will be any other effects!
Brian(/quote)
One effect, is that on account of it, I will never enter the place.
Al
The latest development in the Palm's "We Hate Locals" policy is not
a surprise to me. It's just that the Maloofs have marched to a
different drummer, while following the citywide strategy of "let's
make sure ABSOLUTELY NOBODY wins":
1. Open up the Palms with the same winning formula that made the
Fiesta such a success: great VP, decent slot club, good food. Use
the initial surge of interest to finance the marketing of the Palms
as the happenin', swingin', gotta-be-there, hey-even-YOU-might-get-
laid-tonight, hot spot for the moneyed trendy hipster crowd.
2. Observe with interest (while doing nothing for the moment), as
first Stations, then Coast embark on their "help stamp out video
poker" campaigns. Take careful note as Stations extends their
campaign to the point of buying entire hotels just so they can ruin
the VP there. Perceive with glee that after a slight and temporary
dropoff in business, the obliteration of playable VP has done no
actual harm to Stations OR Coast. Conclude that if every customer
had, in order to enter the casino, pay $100, be whacked on the head
with a 2x4, eat a live eel, and wear a big rubber red nose for the
entire time spent on the property, visitation would only drop by
0.00000000000000003%.
3. Cut off access to promotions, such as multiple points days,
mailers, etc. to those worthless scum who insist on playing the good
VP machines rather than "Lobstermania", or going over to the pit and
playing that wonderful new 6-5 blackjack game that was installed
because of customer demand. After all, just because we put the
machines on the floor, doesn't mean we wanted anybody to PLAY them--
unless that person was so dumb that they lost money just as fast on
VP as on a slot machine.
4. Pull out all the decent VP, back off the worst of the VP
offenders (those who are still managing to win/not lose), and turn
the Palms into the noisiest, tackiest casino on the planet, crawling
with dopeheads, hookers, and idiots with lots of money and the
intellect to blow it all in a single Saturday evening.
We are now in the final phases of Stage Four. There is no longer any
reason to go to the Palms, except as an exercise in self-
flagellation. I reiterate my recommendation to all VPFree members to
redirect their VP efforts to Reno, where there is excellent VP,
beautiful scenery, lower prices, and the weather this summer won't
kill you if you spend more then three minutes outside, unlike this
barely habitable hole in the ground called Las Vegas (and several
other things which I can't articulate on this site).
Don't forget #5: continue to advertise the Palms as the place to
play VP, the winner of awards, etc, ad nauseum.
I found it quite refreshing to read your post, as the Palms is
already on my boycott list. Them, and their ilk, may be milking
everyone now, but let's see how they do when interest rates are a
few percentage points higher, inflation is a few percentage points
higher, and the local LV economy comes down from it's current bout
of mania.
On the other hand, I asked in a post a few weeks back why people
would play less desirable VP when better paytables were but a few
feet away. The consensus answer seemed to be that the large majority
of casino patrons are clueless. This seems to be reinforced by what
I see on the strip, prices get marked up, paytables are downgradeed,
table games are downgraded, and more people show up. Just like the
stock market in the late 1990's; everyone wanted to play, regardless
of knowledge.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333"
<rockofjello333@y...> wrote:
4. Pull out all the decent VP, back off the worst of the VP
offenders (those who are still managing to win/not lose), and turn
the Palms into the noisiest, tackiest casino on the planet, crawling
with dopeheads, hookers, and idiots with lots of money and the
intellect to blow it all in a single Saturday evening.
We are now in the final phases of Stage Four. There is no longer any
reason to go to the Palms, except as an exercise in self-
flagellation.
Does this include regular slot-club comp points?
They were put on today, just above the card readers. They
say, "This machine
is excluded from any promotions."
We already know that the 100%+ machines don't give double or triple
points.
It seems quite certain that any future COTD promo, or double Royal
promo, or
any promo based upon a certain hand hit, will now be excluded on
these
machines. It remains to be seen if there will be any other effects-
-hopefully not!
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@a... wrote:
Brian
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How true, Charles, my common sense tells me we may be in for a rude awakening. Then, they will appreciate us again (I hope so anyway).
Helmut
----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles" <fromthevault@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 3:43 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: New stickers on Palms' 100%+ machines/the Maloof Method..
Don't forget #5: continue to advertise the Palms as the place to
play VP, the winner of awards, etc, ad nauseum.I found it quite refreshing to read your post, as the Palms is
already on my boycott list. Them, and their ilk, may be milking
everyone now, but let's see how they do when interest rates are a
few percentage points higher, inflation is a few percentage points
higher, and the local LV economy comes down from it's current bout
of mania.On the other hand, I asked in a post a few weeks back why people
would play less desirable VP when better paytables were but a few
feet away. The consensus answer seemed to be that the large majority
of casino patrons are clueless. This seems to be reinforced by what
I see on the strip, prices get marked up, paytables are downgradeed,
table games are downgraded, and more people show up. Just like the
stock market in the late 1990's; everyone wanted to play, regardless
of knowledge.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rockofjello333"
<rockofjello333@y...> wrote:4. Pull out all the decent VP, back off the worst of the VP
offenders (those who are still managing to win/not lose), and turn
the Palms into the noisiest, tackiest casino on the planet, crawling
with dopeheads, hookers, and idiots with lots of money and the
intellect to blow it all in a single Saturday evening.We are now in the final phases of Stage Four. There is no longer any
reason to go to the Palms, except as an exercise in self-
flagellation.vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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In all honesty, I believe that a boycott from 100%+ only players can
only benefit a casino. The suits that should be berated are the ones
that continue to offer a high number of 100%+ VP games. All they do
is attract players that won't spend a dime at the casino, and end up
costing the casino money in profits and service. Perhaps a FEW 100%+
games should be in a casino for promotion and to attract players, but
certainly not too many.
And as for dumb players, most people travel to Vegas for
entertainment, not to make $200 or so. You certainly don't expect to
make $200 taking that Hawaiian vacation or going to dinner at a nice
restaurant. Casinos should concentrate on their "core" market, or
best players, which happen to be the players who lose the most. Why
bother with the guy who makes a profit? Call security and have him
escorted out. Won't come back? Great news for the casino!
in video poker, 100%+ machines are only 100%+ with computer perfect
play, which most people cannot master, and they assume a large enough
bankroll to survive short term risk of ruin, which again most people
do not have
personally, given the choice of full pay deuces (100%+) or short pay
nsu deuces (99%+) with 1% comp, i would choose the later
and if i'm not welcome at a land based casino that's fine, most of the
action is shifting to online poker anyway where winners are treated
like winners
the guy who makes a profit brings his wife, his freinds, his brother in law, who don't know how to play well. The casino makes a profit off them and puts up with the good player.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
azxcvbnm321 <azxcvbnm321@yahoo.com> wrote:
Why
bother with the guy who makes a profit? Call security and have him
escorted out. Won't come back? Great news for the casino!
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@y...>
wrote:
the guy who makes a profit brings his wife, his freinds, his
brother in law, who don't know how to play well. The casino makes a
profit off them and puts up with the good player.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
same principle with slot machines...a casino will usually have a
bank that pays 98% advertised in neon...great advertising giving the
illusion of loose slots throughout the casino...the amazing thing
here is the loose bank is probably no more heavily played than the
other slots and this is a game that requires zero skill...