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New Poll on "Guru Casino Consultants"

New Poll:

(1) Is it OK for vp gurus to work both sides of the fence, and
(2) Do you buy their products if they do? (Assume that you
would buy their products if they didn't do casino consulting.)

Vote at:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=12178590>

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=12178590">
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=12178590</a>

You can vote or change your vote until the poll closes.

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It sounds like the vpfree administrator does not like a certain VP expert... If that VP expert wasn't around this forum probably wouldn't exist.

vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@yahoo.com> wrote: New Poll:

(1) Is it OK for vp gurus to work both sides of the fence, and
(2) Do you buy their products if they do? (Assume that you
would buy their products if they didn't do casino consulting.)

Vote at:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=12178590>

<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=12178590">
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/surveys?id=12178590</a>

You can vote or change your vote until the poll closes.

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I can't figure this comment out. There are a lot of VP experts out there. Most of them are rehashing the same thing, or getting into
the extremely fine points of play. I can't think of any one currently practicing expert that would have any effect on the existence of vpFREE.
You might be able to say that about the groundbreakers, and the programmers, but not about the Gurus.
The VP administrator goes to crippling efforts to remain neutral and unbiased. I know I could never do it.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: patrick
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 2:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] New Poll on "Guru Casino Consultants"

  It sounds like the vpfree administrator does not like a certain VP expert... If that VP expert wasn't around this forum probably wouldn't exist.

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<<There are a lot of VP experts out there. Most of them are rehashing the same thing, or getting into
the extremely fine points of play. I can't think of any one currently practicing expert that would have any effect on the existence of vpFREE.>>

I agree that no one List member exclusively "supports" this forum. That is the beauty of forums. Input from many people is so much more extensive than any one person could provide. I often get mail, especially from new players, asking for information about where to play, etc., etc. and I point them to the VP boards.

Much VP writing is rehash - true. But there are new players coming in all the time who are hungry for the basics. I try to mix it up as much as possible - new info, including frequent changes as well as reviewing the basics, perhaps covering an old concept in a new way. I read extensively the writings of others who cover casino gambling. Much of it is stuff I already know - you learn a lot during 21 years of personal experience in casinos. However, very frequently I pick up a little nugget of info that will help me increase the overall EV of my own play, so I feel this extensive reading is worth my time.

Scanning is a wonderful tool for me. And, of course, there is always the "Delete" key.

I would like to add my thanks to the Administrator here. What a job! What lousy pay! Hopefully all of our thanks will lighten the burden a bit!!!!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...> wrote:

I would like to add my thanks to the Administrator here. What a

job! What lousy pay! Hopefully all of our thanks will lighten the
burden a bit!!!!

I try to repay the vpfree admin by not being an idiot. Sometimes that check
bounces.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
Jean Scott
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 12:48 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] New Poll on "Guru Casino Consultants"

I would like to add my thanks to the Administrator here. What a job! What
lousy pay! Hopefully all of our thanks will lighten the burden a bit!!!!

I try to repay the vpfree admin by not being an idiot. Sometimes
that check bounces.
Chandler

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:

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Hi Chandler,

I have never once seen a post from you that I considered "idiotic".
As with the above message, I find your writing to be clever,
intelligent and humorous.

I also do not recall reading anything from you that attempted to
belittle another list member;another BIG plus, IMO.

I always enjoy reading your posts.

Best regards,
-Babe-

I suppose I could provide links;-) Thanks for the compliment, Babe.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
jackessiebabe
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 10:59 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Chandler's Posts- Formerly Guru Casino Consultants
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Hi Chandler,

I have never once seen a post from you that I considered "idiotic".

I can't think of any one currently practicing expert that would have any effect on the existence of vpFREE.

You might be able to say that about the groundbreakers, and the programmers, but not about the Gurus.

Sorry this is a few days behind...
I tend to disagree with this comment. Assuming you mean Mr. Dancer is a "guru," I think vpFREE absolutely would not exist without him. I would venture that nearly everyone on this board, including the Administrator emeritus, has bought a Dancer-based product at some point. Dancer has taught a great number of us (most?) how to play video poker accurately. I think most advantage players (again, assuming that most of vpFREE's membership are advantage players) will agree that they owe a great deal to Mr. Dancer. Therefore, vpFREE would not exist without advantage players "taught" by him. I believe this is also true of Skip Hughes' following.
-- Steve in LV

I for one have not bought a Dancer based product. I do have a copy of BDPW, but Bob Dancer didn't produce it , he only promotes it, and
although it is a great program it was far from the first. My introduction to advantage play was from reading Lenny Frome's books, and using
Stanford Wong's program.
This could be a great topic for a Poll.
What got you started in becoming a knowledgeable VP Player ?

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Steve Del Nero
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:21 AM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] New Poll on "Guru Casino Consultants"

  I can't think of any one currently practicing expert that would have any
  effect on the existence of vpFREE.
  > You might be able to say that about the groundbreakers, and the
  > programmers, but not about the Gurus.

  Sorry this is a few days behind...
  I tend to disagree with this comment. Assuming you mean Mr. Dancer is a
  "guru," I think vpFREE absolutely would not exist without him. I would
  venture that nearly everyone on this board, including the Administrator
  emeritus, has bought a Dancer-based product at some point. Dancer has
  taught a great number of us (most?) how to play video poker accurately. I
  think most advantage players (again, assuming that most of vpFREE's
  membership are advantage players) will agree that they owe a great deal to
  Mr. Dancer. Therefore, vpFREE would not exist without advantage players
  "taught" by him. I believe this is also true of Skip Hughes' following.
  -- Steve in LV

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Del Nero" <artcontrol@c...>
wrote:

I can't think of any one currently practicing expert that would

have any

effect on the existence of vpFREE.
> You might be able to say that about the groundbreakers, and the
> programmers, but not about the Gurus.

Sorry this is a few days behind...
I tend to disagree with this comment. Assuming you mean Mr. Dancer

is a

"guru," I think vpFREE absolutely would not exist without him. I

would

venture that nearly everyone on this board, including the

Administrator

emeritus, has bought a Dancer-based product at some point. Dancer

has

taught a great number of us (most?) how to play video poker

accurately. I

think most advantage players (again, assuming that most of vpFREE's
membership are advantage players) will agree that they owe a great

deal to

Mr. Dancer. Therefore, vpFREE would not exist without advantage

players

"taught" by him. I believe this is also true of Skip Hughes'

following.

-- Steve in LV

Sorry, can't agree. In fact, I first heard of Dancer on VPFREE. I had
never heard of him before joining this forum. I bought winpoker
before it was BDPW and learned about advantage play from many other
sources available on the internet. However, this does not reduce the
impact he has had on educating individuals on VP. I just think you've
carried it a little too far.

Dick

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Del Nero" <artcontrol@c...>
wrote:

   Assuming you mean Mr. Dancer is a
"guru," I think vpFREE absolutely would not exist without him. I

would

venture that nearly everyone on this board, including the

Administrator

emeritus, has bought a Dancer-based product at some point. Dancer

has

taught a great number of us (most?) how to play video poker

accurately. I

think most advantage players (again, assuming that most of

vpFREE's

membership are advantage players) will agree that they owe a great

deal to

Mr. Dancer.

My position is that I tend to value mentor over guru, amateur over
professional, peer among peer over promoter, etc.

With that being said Mr. Dancer was deservedly elected to the hall
of fame by members of this forum, so it is clear his contributions
are duly appreciated. I, for one, have learned a great deal from his
writings especially relating to penalty cards and the "power of the
pack" which has enabled me to appreciate the theory behind the
mathematics in certain plays which has contributed to my enjoyment
of vp.

However, there is appears to be a reason that the stereotypical
Hindi guru lived on a remote mountain top. It is getting tiresome to
be subjected to the vp gurus snipping at one another in print. The
mantra "I am the sole practitioner with vision and integrity in a
field full of charlatans, hacks and copycats" is best left to
architects and designers, lol. Our guru's should take a lesson from
politicians who mostly limit their serious smack talk to the
election season or listen to WWE broadcasts where smack talk is
taken to an entertainment art.

David