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New Niagara Fallsview Casino Sucks, Man

#1

Checked out the new Casino Niagara Fallsview this weekend and what a
disappointment. I don't think there are many more games in the new
casino than was in the old casino and I don't the total square
footage of the casino is much more bigger either.

Off course there are more dining and shopping options but who
cares. Niagara Falls is full of shopping and dining anyway. Most
of the BJ at Fallsview was $25 minimum.

The Fallsview casino is not running any promotions and the old
casino Niagara is cutting back on promotions as well. The new
casino sure does have a grand entrance full of marble floors and
pillars but I think they have tightened up the machines to pay for
it.

The pay tables at Fallsview are lousy. 7/5 JOB, 9/6 DB and short
pay pickem. You can find dollar 8/5 JOB and apparently there is $5
pick'em but I didn't check.

There is still 50 cent pick'em at the old Casino Niagara. I hit my
first 4 of kind pick'em there this weekend. I've only played
pick'em a few times. In the past you could never get on this small
group of machines, about six, but with the new casino now open there
are less people at Casino Niagara.

I also checked out Seneca Niagara and I wanted to add that I found
some $1 pick'em games near the center bar. I couldn't find the
quarter bonus poker games though. If anyone could point out exact
locations please post it. You can play 50 cent and $1 bonus poker
at Seneca which along with pick'em games at both Seneca and Casino
Niagara are the best games in the Niagara region.

Also there is no longer quarter pick'em at Casino Niagara. Casino
Niagara removed a whole floor of games including the last 25 cent
pick'em. With the exchange rates so lousy (30% compared to 50% a few
years ago) it might be wise for most video poker players to stick
with Seneca. Strike one for the Indians over the Canadians.

Cheers!

#2

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hansjurgent" <hansjurgent16@h...>
wrote:

Checked out the new Casino Niagara Fallsview this weekend and what

a

disappointment. I don't think there are many more games in the new
casino than was in the old casino and I don't the total square
footage of the casino is much more bigger either.

Off course there are more dining and shopping options but who
cares. Niagara Falls is full of shopping and dining anyway. Most
of the BJ at Fallsview was $25 minimum.

The Fallsview casino is not running any promotions and the old
casino Niagara is cutting back on promotions as well. The new
casino sure does have a grand entrance full of marble floors and
pillars but I think they have tightened up the machines to pay for
it.

The pay tables at Fallsview are lousy. 7/5 JOB, 9/6 DB and short
pay pickem. You can find dollar 8/5 JOB and apparently there is $5
pick'em but I didn't check.

There is still 50 cent pick'em at the old Casino Niagara. I hit my
first 4 of kind pick'em there this weekend. I've only played
pick'em a few times. In the past you could never get on this small
group of machines, about six, but with the new casino now open

there

are less people at Casino Niagara.

I also checked out Seneca Niagara and I wanted to add that I found
some $1 pick'em games near the center bar. I couldn't find the
quarter bonus poker games though. If anyone could point out exact
locations please post it. You can play 50 cent and $1 bonus poker
at Seneca which along with pick'em games at both Seneca and Casino
Niagara are the best games in the Niagara region.

Also there is no longer quarter pick'em at Casino Niagara. Casino
Niagara removed a whole floor of games including the last 25 cent
pick'em. With the exchange rates so lousy (30% compared to 50% a

few

years ago) it might be wise for most video poker players to stick
with Seneca. Strike one for the Indians over the Canadians.

Cheers!

The rest of the bar area that you found pickem,left or right around
the bar, is all $.25 BP. Actually from the bar all the way to the
cashiers cage except for a few $.50 and $1.00 banks are all $.25 BP

#3

All I saw was 7/5 BP. I'll have to look harder next time.

The rest of the bar area that you found pickem,left or right

around

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the bar, is all $.25 BP. Actually from the bar all the way to the
cashiers cage except for a few $.50 and $1.00 banks are all $.25 BP

#4

My replies follow....
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hansjurgent" <hansjurgent16@h...>
wrote:

Off course there are more dining and shopping options but who
cares. Niagara Falls is full of shopping and dining anyway. Most
of the BJ at Fallsview was $25 minimum.

Don't forget that casinos these days make more money from shopping,
dining and other amenities than from gaming.

The Fallsview casino is not running any promotions and the old
casino Niagara is cutting back on promotions as well. The new
casino sure does have a grand entrance full of marble floors and
pillars but I think they have tightened up the machines to pay for
it.

Well, at least Niagara RAN PROMOTIONS, unlike Casino Rama who
constantly promoted their concerts (I mean, how many times can you
see Neil Sedaka [twice so far] before you get tire of him) instead of
their games/slot club offers.

The pay tables at Fallsview are lousy. 7/5 JOB, 9/6 DB and short
pay pickem. You can find dollar 8/5 JOB and apparently there is $5
pick'em but I didn't check.

Don't worry too much. Paytables MAY improve in the future. Casino
Rama eventually brought in 9/6 JOB ($7.50Cdn bet).

Strike one for the Indians over the Canadians.

The proper term is NATIVE AMERICANS.

#5

The proper term is NATIVE AMERICANS.

Thank you for the comments but get a grip. This is just some goofy
internet message board. I'm not writing for the American Historical
Review here.

#6

<< The proper term is NATIVE AMERICANS.>>

Actually I used to be very careful to use that term in my speaking and writing, since I try to show respect for all people. However, I have been connected with seminars for several years now - ones that are predominately made up of executives from Indian casinos. Overwhelmingly they do not "require" or even "prefer" "Native American" any more - I think perhaps it seem unnecessarily long and awkward and contrived? And I think that we have come to the place in American that the word Indian does not have such a negative or a derogatory tone. Probably the spread of Indian casinos that have become so successful and widespread has helped in that respect. I have noticed that even in leading casino magazines they often use the term "Indian casino."
This is not to say that some Native Americans would prefer that term - I'm sure some do. And I think some people could use the word "Indian" in such a tone or manner that it would seem disrespectful.

John Kelly, I'd be interested in your wife's take on this subject?

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#8
#9

You're right, Jean.

Michelle doesn't mind "Indian" a bit, and I don't know of any Native Americans that do. Obviously, a few DO mind the term, but they're in the vast minority as far as I can tell. For most, it's just not a big deal. Native American, "Injun", whatever. Besides, being named after people who live on the other side of the planet is small price to pay for the everlasting reminder that Columbus was hopelessly lost.

John

Jean Scott wrote:

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<< The proper term is NATIVE AMERICANS.>>

Actually I used to be very careful to use that term in my speaking and writing, since I try to show respect for all people. However, I have been connected with seminars for several years now - ones that are predominately made up of executives from Indian casinos. Overwhelmingly they do not "require" or even "prefer" "Native American" any more - I think perhaps it seem unnecessarily long and awkward and contrived? And I think that we have come to the place in American that the word Indian does not have such a negative or a derogatory tone. Probably the spread of Indian casinos that have become so successful and widespread has helped in that respect. I have noticed that even in leading casino magazines they often use the term "Indian casino."
This is not to say that some Native Americans would prefer that term - I'm sure some do. And I think some people could use the word "Indian" in such a tone or manner that it would seem disrespectful.

John Kelly, I'd be interested in your wife's take on this subject?

#10

I'm not sure....but I think "Cowboy" should also be stricken. What about the girls? AND what DID the cow ever really do to you in the first place. Boy! Your really are a bigot aren't you.<G>

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#11

In Canada, we do not use the word Indian-we call people who came from India, "East Indian" - we refer to Indians as "Native" not "Native Canadian", just native. We also never use the word Eskimo, (it is considered derogatory) we call them "Inuit" . So now I wonder if Native Americans like referred to as Native, as opposed to Indian or Native American.

Myra

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On 16-Aug-04, at 6:09 PM, John Kelly wrote:

You're right, Jean.

Michelle doesn't mind "Indian" a bit, and I don't know of any Native
Americans that do. Obviously, a few DO mind the term, but they're in the
vast minority as far as I can tell. For most, it's just not a big deal.
Native American, "Injun", whatever. Besides, being named after people
who live on the other side of the planet is small price to pay for the
everlasting reminder that Columbus was hopelessly lost.

John

Jean Scott wrote:

<< The proper term is NATIVE AMERICANS.>>

Actually I used to be very careful to use that term in my speaking and writing, since I try to show respect for all people. However, I have been connected with seminars for several years now - ones that are predominately made up of executives from Indian casinos. Overwhelmingly they do not "require" or even "prefer" "Native American" any more - I think perhaps it seem unnecessarily long and awkward and contrived? And I think that we have come to the place in American that the word Indian does not have such a negative or a derogatory tone. Probably the spread of Indian casinos that have become so successful and widespread has helped in that respect. I have noticed that even in leading casino magazines they often use the term "Indian casino."
This is not to say that some Native Americans would prefer that term - I'm sure some do. And I think some people could use the word "Indian" in such a tone or manner that it would seem disrespectful.

John Kelly, I'd be interested in your wife's take on this subject?

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#12

Jean Scott wrote:

<< The proper term is NATIVE AMERICANS.>>

Actually I used to be very careful to use that term in my speaking
and writing, since I try to show respect for all people. However, I
have been connected with seminars for several years now - ones that
are predominately made up of executives from Indian casinos.
Overwhelmingly they do not "require" or even "prefer" "Native
American" any more - I think perhaps it seem unnecessarily long and
awkward and contrived? And I think that we have come to the place
in American that the word Indian does not have such a negative or a
derogatory tone. Probably the spread of Indian casinos that have
become so successful and widespread has helped in that respect. I
have noticed that even in leading casino magazines they often use
the term "Indian casino."

Acceptable or not in various quarters, I think "Indian" is best
avoided where possible and practical. "Native American" is a pain,
though, especially when used repeatedly.

Fortunately, when it comes to vp, a simple reference to "tribal
casinos" handles the situation respectfully and compactly.

- H.

#13

Harry Porter wrote:

Acceptable or not in various quarters, I think "Indian" is best
avoided where possible and practical.

Why?
Skip

#14

Skip Hughes wrote:

> Acceptable or not in various quarters, I think "Indian" is best
> avoided where possible and practical.

Why?

Because, 500 years ago a group of people were originally mistaken for
another population half way around the globe, and there must be an
apter name for that group by now.

- H.

#15

---I would like to know also.
It just doesn't sound right to tell someone you're going to watch the
Cleveland Native Americans baseball game. Would Atlanta be referred
to as the Tribal Native American young men? And how about where I buy
my cigs? Is the Indian reservation now the occupied homeland of the
Native Americans?
It's hard to keep everything straight in this politcally correct
society. Swamps are now wetlands. Jungles are rain forests. The deaf
are now hearing impaired blind are now visually impaired.
Problem children are now ADD and Bi-Polar
Bums and addicts are referred to as homeless or sreet people.
All of this caring and sensitivty brought to you by the "Brain cell-
Challenged...:slight_smile:

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Skip Hughes <skip-hughes@e...> wrote:

Harry Porter wrote:

> Acceptable or not in various quarters, I think "Indian" is best
> avoided where possible and practical.

Why?
Skip

#16

Harry Porter wrote:

Skip Hughes wrote:
> > Acceptable or not in various quarters, I think "Indian" is
best
> > avoided where possible and practical.
>
> Why?

Because, 500 years ago a group of people were originally mistaken
for
another population half way around the globe,

True, but... so what?

and there must be an
apter name for that group by now.

I'm sure we can come up with one and let them know what it is.
Maybe we can take a poll. <g>

In the meantime, (I know this whole thread is off-topic, but since
the subject of Indian gaming has come up so much I thought I'd offer
what info I could dig up):

Russell Means, an American Indian activist and authority on the
subject, says the term "American Indian" is preferred for two
reasons: 1) it is the only ethnic term with "American" appearing
first and 2) it distinguishes the American Indian from others who
are born in America and are, therefore, "native Americans".

Here is an interesting letter/reply on the subject to the editor of
Indian Country: "The Nations's Leading American Indian News Source"
- http://www.indiancountry.com/index.php?1092415376

Finally, in terms of gaming, which is the only thing that keeps
this thread almost on-topic, here are the premiere web sites:
(Google either Native American Gaming or Indian gaming and you will
get to these first)

http://www.indiangaming.org/ (This is the official web site of the
National Indian Gaming Association)

http://www.hanksville.org/NAresources/indices/NAgaming.html (Both
terms used near the top here)

indianz.com (interestingly, although this popped up near the top
it's a general Indian site and not gaming specific)

http://www.cniga.com/ (Califonia Nations Indian Gaming Assn)

Seems like a fairly good consensus on these sites, of course by no
means unanimous - but what is? So to ignore that and insist on an
alternate name is, it seems to me, simply a PC kind of thing.

Of course, each of us is free to call them what we want. As usual, I
prefer to call them Fred. But then, I call everything Fred. Helps
cover up my incipient Alzheimer's. Or maybe not.

Just a suggestion: If anyone wants to do the tribes a favor, don't
worry about whatcha call 'em, just go spend a few bucks there. There
are some fair to pretty good Indian casinos in CT, So. Calif,
Michigan, Wisconsin, Kansas(1), and Las Vegas (Casino MonteLago).
Just MHO,
Skip

#17

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

Skip Hughes wrote:
> > Acceptable or not in various quarters, I think "Indian" is

best

> > avoided where possible and practical.
>
> Why?

Because, 500 years ago a group of people were originally mistaken

for

another population half way around the globe, and there must be an
apter name for that group by now.

- H.

What a STUPID thread! When I was a kid I used to play Cowboys and
Native Americans. This is a stupid subject for a VP board. What's
next politics or religion?

#18

I can't believe my flippant remarks about Canadian and Indian Gaming
has caused so much debate. My comments were only designed to be
humorous. I've known Native Americans who have used the term Indian
and Indian is a common slang term.

It is often used in defining "Indian Gaming" or "Indian Casinos."
If I was broadcasting the 6:00 clock news I would use Native
American but this an informal message board. Let's gain some
perspective here and not try to undo 500 years of oppression on a
video poker message board.

#19

hansjurgent wrote:

Let's gain some perspective here and not try to undo 500 years of
oppression on a video poker message board.

No argument here. I was simply suggesting that it isn't too terribly
difficult or cumbersome to refer to "tribal" gaming (casino, gambling,
etc.) rather than "Indian".

Trust me, I don't sweat it either way. I only weighed in from the
perspective of precision; not to be "PC". (I may think twice about
answering the next "Why?" when it comes my way :wink:

- H.