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New hand pays at Harrah's AC

#1

Hi Gang:
Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all single hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays. Prior to this, only jackpots of $1,200 or more were hand pays. This was confirmed this past weekend when a friend of ours hit aces with a kicker on DDB at the 50-cent level and her machine locked up. We're not sure if this is for VP only but we're guessing it will be for all machines.
The tech who came to pay off our friend said that the Borgata had gone to this policy and Harrah's has decided to do it as well. The tech said it's designed to create more excitement with the machine locking up and music playing more often. The drawback, of course, is that this will significantly slow up play. Another friend of ours plays only at the quarter level and he hit three royals the week before. He didn't have to stop playing once during that trip but would have had his machine lock up three times if it had happened this past week.
I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the higher levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing this impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand pay. More hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player to do?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months and to see if players start complaining.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

PS: The VP pendulum swung big-time this week as Hedy and I got beat up pretty badly. Only one set of aces, very few bonus quads and no hand pays. Thank goodness we had a nice cushion from the past three trips.

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#2

Yes the same thing for me, yesterday at Rincon hand pay for $1,000. I did not tip since I do not think this should be a hand pay. Mike

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Subject: [vpFREE] New hand pays at Harrah's AC

Hi Gang:
Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all single hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays. Prior to this, only jackpots of $1,200 or more were hand pays. This was confirmed this past weekend when a friend of ours hit aces with a kicker on DDB at the 50-cent level and her machine locked up. We're not sure if this is for VP only but we're guessing it will be for all machines.
The tech who came to pay off our friend said that the Borgata had gone to this policy and Harrah's has decided to do it as well. The tech said it's designed to create more excitement with the machine locking up and music playing more often. The drawback, of course, is that this will significantly slow up play. Another friend of ours plays only at the quarter level and he hit three royals the week before. He didn't have to stop playing once during that trip but would have had his machine lock up three times if it had happened this past week.
I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the higher levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing this impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand pay. More hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player to do?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months and to see if players start complaining.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

PS: The VP pendulum swung big-time this week as Hedy and I got beat up pretty badly. Only one set of aces, very few bonus quads and no hand pays. Thank goodness we had a nice cushion from the past three trips.

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#3

Interesting change of policy. Mohegan Sun used to have handpays on hits of $500
or more, which really caused a lot of machine lockups and down time. They
gradually changed all the machines to pay anything up to W2G territory. They
also reduced staff significantly around this same time, undoubtedly including
some of the slot attendants who did these busywork payouts. In my experience,
the payouts now seem to be made faster than previously, but if there's a problem
with a machine, it takes considerably longer to find someone to help.

As for the tipping aspect, there's been considerable back and forth on the
forums about the appropriate player action vis a vis tipping. Personally, I
subscribe to the '60's philosophy, "if it feels good, do it". So if the
attendant is prompt, friendly, courteous, and adds to the gaming experience,
there could be a tip. If they are sullen, robotic and make me even more pi$$ed
off that I've had to stop playing while I'm waiting for them, well then what
goes around comes around. But one overriding factor is this: if they pay me out
and break up the last Franklin with Andy's and Alex's, without asking me if I
want all large, they've killed any possibility of getting a tip.

Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you
can’t win. -Lazarus Long

In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice,
there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation
to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein

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Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all single
hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays.

I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the higher
levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing this
impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand pay. More
hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player to do?

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#4

It's just a handpay not a w-2g right?

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:06 AM, surfmike@surfcup.com wrote:

Yes the same thing for me, yesterday at Rincon hand pay for $1,000. I did not tip since I do not think this should be a hand pay. Mike
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Subject: [vpFREE] New hand pays at Harrah's AC

Hi Gang:
Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all single hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays. Prior to this, only jackpots of $1,200 or more were hand pays. This was confirmed this past weekend when a friend of ours hit aces with a kicker on DDB at the 50-cent level and her machine locked up. We're not sure if this is for VP only but we're guessing it will be for all machines.
The tech who came to pay off our friend said that the Borgata had gone to this policy and Harrah's has decided to do it as well. The tech said it's designed to create more excitement with the machine locking up and music playing more often. The drawback, of course, is that this will significantly slow up play. Another friend of ours plays only at the quarter level and he hit three royals the week before. He didn't have to stop playing once during that trip but would have had his machine lock up three times if it had happened this past week.
I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the higher levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing this impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand pay. More hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player to do?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months and to see if players start complaining.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

PS: The VP pendulum swung big-time this week as Hedy and I got beat up pretty badly. Only one set of aces, very few bonus quads and no hand pays. Thank goodness we had a nice cushion from the past three trips.

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#5

No w-2. Just a pain in the butt. Mike

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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 13:12:43
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Subject: Re: [vpFREE] New hand pays at Harrah's AC

It's just a handpay not a w-2g right?

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On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:06 AM, surfmike@surfcup.com wrote:

Yes the same thing for me, yesterday at Rincon hand pay for $1,000. I did not tip since I do not think this should be a hand pay. Mike
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Valledolmo <coachvee@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 10:36:41
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Subject: [vpFREE] New hand pays at Harrah's AC

Hi Gang:
Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all single hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays. Prior to this, only jackpots of $1,200 or more were hand pays. This was confirmed this past weekend when a friend of ours hit aces with a kicker on DDB at the 50-cent level and her machine locked up. We're not sure if this is for VP only but we're guessing it will be for all machines.
The tech who came to pay off our friend said that the Borgata had gone to this policy and Harrah's has decided to do it as well. The tech said it's designed to create more excitement with the machine locking up and music playing more often. The drawback, of course, is that this will significantly slow up play. Another friend of ours plays only at the quarter level and he hit three royals the week before. He didn't have to stop playing once during that trip but would have had his machine lock up three times if it had happened this past week.
I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the higher levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing this impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand pay. More hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player to do?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months and to see if players start complaining.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

PS: The VP pendulum swung big-time this week as Hedy and I got beat up pretty badly. Only one set of aces, very few bonus quads and no hand pays. Thank goodness we had a nice cushion from the past three trips.

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#6

More tips to the boothlings : )

#7

I have hit 2 quarter royals since the VP room was updated at Rincon and both locked up the machine and played that obnoxious music until someone came and shut if off.
Hit a $1000 royal on 1 line of a 5 play DSTP and it just added it in to my total and kept going.

guess they have the single line machines set that way but not the multi's

Trish

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, surfmike@... wrote:

Yes the same thing for me, yesterday at Rincon hand pay for $1,000. I did not tip since I do not think this should be a hand pay. Mike
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#8

Gee, I guess you sure wouldn't like the machines up here in Canada--here the
government-run places will lock up when a single hit of $150 happens...that
is a make-work project if ever I saw one

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On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Tom Valledolmo <coachvee@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Gang:
Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all
single hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays. Prior to this, only
jackpots of $1,200 or more were hand pays. This was confirmed this past
weekend when a friend of ours hit aces with a kicker on DDB at the 50-cent
level and her machine locked up. We're not sure if this is for VP only but
we're guessing it will be for all machines.
The tech who came to pay off our friend said that the Borgata had gone to
this policy and Harrah's has decided to do it as well. The tech said it's
designed to create more excitement with the machine locking up and music
playing more often. The drawback, of course, is that this will significantly
slow up play. Another friend of ours plays only at the quarter level and he
hit three royals the week before. He didn't have to stop playing once during
that trip but would have had his machine lock up three times if it had
happened this past week.
I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the higher
levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing
this impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand
pay. More hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player to
do?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months
and to see if players start complaining.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

PS: The VP pendulum swung big-time this week as Hedy and I got beat up
pretty badly. Only one set of aces, very few bonus quads and no hand pays.
Thank goodness we had a nice cushion from the past three trips.

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#9

A number of years ago, before TITO, I was at Harrah's Tunica and for laughs
I was trying a penny slot. I was trying to cash out for $5.31 and the thing
dropped five $1 coins but the 31 cents had to be hand payed. Took 20
minutes.

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Brian Senkow
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 10:02 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] New hand pays at Harrah's AC

Gee, I guess you sure wouldn't like the machines up here in Canada--here the
government-run places will lock up when a single hit of $150 happens...that
is a make-work project if ever I saw one

On Mon, Feb 28, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Tom Valledolmo <coachvee@aol.com> wrote:

Hi Gang:
Harrah's AC has changed its policy on hand pays. Beginning this week all
single hits of $1,000 or more will be hand pays. Prior to this, only
jackpots of $1,200 or more were hand pays. This was confirmed this past
weekend when a friend of ours hit aces with a kicker on DDB at the 50-cent
level and her machine locked up. We're not sure if this is for VP only but
we're guessing it will be for all machines.
The tech who came to pay off our friend said that the Borgata had gone to
this policy and Harrah's has decided to do it as well. The tech said it's
designed to create more excitement with the machine locking up and music
playing more often. The drawback, of course, is that this will

significantly

slow up play. Another friend of ours plays only at the quarter level and

he

hit three royals the week before. He didn't have to stop playing once

during

that trip but would have had his machine lock up three times if it had
happened this past week.
I guess this will also Impact players (VP and slots) who play at the

higher

levels. Smaller hits may result in more machine lock-ups. The other thing
this impacts, of course, is whether to tip the tech that handles the hand
pay. More hand pays means more opportunities to tip. So, what's a player

to

do?
It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the next few months
and to see if players start complaining.
Regards,
CoachVee & Hedy

PS: The VP pendulum swung big-time this week as Hedy and I got beat up
pretty badly. Only one set of aces, very few bonus quads and no hand pays.
Thank goodness we had a nice cushion from the past three trips.

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#10

That is not universally the case in Canada. I suspect it is up to the casino (or, maybe the province) to set the value at which a handpay results.

Where I play, Casino Rama, in Ontario, it is $1200.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Brian Senkow <lasvegaspilgrim@...> wrote:

Gee, I guess you sure wouldn't like the machines up here in Canada--here the
government-run places will lock up when a single hit of $150 happens...

#11

Yeah, I'll give you that one...RAMA is a real casino, my little OLG casino
(Thunder Bay) has got 400(!!!) machines and 4 tables...seems smaller than
Terrible's Las Vegas, as I recall...again, your mileage will vary--looks
like Rama's VP is about 2 percent better than anything we get here, which is
why I'm saving my VP bankroll for Vegas (one last bit--when you do get one
of those HUGE handpays of $150, the attendants always count it out, and
their last bill is always a 5$--wishful thinking if anyone tips that much)

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On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 10:29 AM, NEIL <nembree@rogers.com> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Brian Senkow <lasvegaspilgrim@...> wrote:
>
> Gee, I guess you sure wouldn't like the machines up here in Canada--here
the
> government-run places will lock up when a single hit of $150 happens...

That is not universally the case in Canada. I suspect it is up to the
casino (or, maybe the province) to set the value at which a handpay results.

Where I play, Casino Rama, in Ontario, it is $1200.

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#12

Damn, I hate hearing the music that can only mean one thing...

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I have hit 2 quarter royals since the VP room was updated at Rincon and both locked up the machine and played that obnoxious music until someone came and shut if off.
Trish

#13

well ok I do like hearing it for the first few minutes :o)
...but after that it gets annoying!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:

Damn, I hate hearing the music that can only mean one thing...

> I have hit 2 quarter royals since the VP room was updated at Rincon and both locked up the machine and played that obnoxious music until someone came and shut if off.
> Trish

#14

Actually, I find that that the machines must play different music for different
people: when I hit, the music is a lovely lilting yet stirring tune, but when
someone else hits it is a raucous cacophony of hideous screeching.

well ok I do like hearing it for the first few minutes :o)
...but after that it gets annoying!

Damn, I hate hearing the music that can only mean one thing...

> I have hit 2 quarter royals since the VP room was updated at Rincon and both
locked up the machine and played that obnoxious music until someone came and
shut if off.

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