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New Foxwoods Cashback

OK, someone please check my math on this new Foxwoods same-day
cashback offer. If anyone doesn't know what I;m talking about, I
received a promotional e-mail today that Foxwoods is starting a same-
day cashback program, Wampum Cash, that lets you redeem up to half
of your Wampum points (earned on slot machines only) after June 1 at
noon, for cash at a rate of two points = $1. Here is an FAQ
http://foxwoods.vcrm2.com/broadbaseema/fx606cash/overview.html.

Note that the FAQ makes no mention of a differing rate of comps
between $1=plus machines and sub-$1 machines, which I thought was
past practice. However, it appears they have finally caught on and
made the video poker rate lower than the slot rate (hope Mohegan
doesn't follow suit).

So if I earn one comp dollar for every $140 coin-in on VP, at any
denomination, we're looking at about a .714 percent comp rate. So if
I take the cash, I'm earning slightly less than .18% cashback
and .36% comps.

So if I did the math right, this doesn't make any of their
unplayable games playable, right? Still a wasteland except for those
4-6 .25 double jokers and double jackpots?

-MARK M.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark.mentone@...>
wrote:

I take the cash, I'm earning slightly less than .18% cashback
and .36% comps.

The math would suggest a .357 cashback and .714 in regular comps. I do
not know why you divided those numbers in half.

They may have downgraded the comp rate on the $1+ machines, but then
there's a 50/50 chance that is a mistake or a misprint. You have to
stick your card in a quarter machine and a dollar machine and see if
the counter is different, in order to verify this.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "steviemcc1"
<steviemcc1@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark.mentone@>
wrote:
> I take the cash, I'm earning slightly less than .18% cashback
> and .36% comps.
>

The math would suggest a .357 cashback and .714 in regular comps.

I do

not know why you divided those numbers in half.

Here's why. The promotional e-mail said you can redeem Wampum points
at the rate of 10 points equal $5. So you've actually got to put
$280 through to earn one dollar in cash.

And, as I understand it, the cash balance is not a separate account.
You are allowed to redeem up to half of the Wampum points you earned
on machines to get cash. Those points come off your account and are
no longer available for comps. That is why I also cut the comp rate
in half.

More feedback appreciated.

-MARK M.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark.mentone@...>
wrote:

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "steviemcc1"
<steviemcc1@> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark.mentone@>
> wrote:
> > I take the cash, I'm earning slightly less than .18% cashback
> > and .36% comps.
> >
>
> The math would suggest a .357 cashback and .714 in regular

comps.

I do
> not know why you divided those numbers in half.
>

Here's why. The promotional e-mail said you can redeem Wampum

points

at the rate of 10 points equal $5. So you've actually got to put
$280 through to earn one dollar in cash.

And, as I understand it, the cash balance is not a separate

account.

You are allowed to redeem up to half of the Wampum points you

earned

on machines to get cash. Those points come off your account and are
no longer available for comps. That is why I also cut the comp rate
in half.

More feedback appreciated.

-MARK M.

The cash balance is a separate account, but you don't have to redeem
the cash. I talked to them on this. They will convert the "cash"
back to points when you run out of points. So if you never redeem
for cash, then nothing changes from before; you still get the same
1/140 ie. .714% rate as before. It's just that whatever you do take
for cash, you're just getting half of what you'd normally get on
points.

Say you put in $14000 and earn 100 points. Normally, you could go to
one of their stores and buy a $50 pair of shoes, and then buy another
pair of $50 shoes. You can still do that. Now you have the option
to buy one pair of $50 shoes, and receive $25 in cash. In that case,
you're getting .714% back on $7000 and .357% back on the other $7000.

Obviously, you're better off not taking the cash unless you reallty
run out of things to spend your points on; even with the gas cards
they did not charge double. But there will always be some people who
will be in a rush to leave and not coming back for a long time who
will opt for cash. Some people have asked why the CT casinos don't
give cash back and I was against it because I knew the return would
be far lower than their points give. The merchants brunt some of the
cost of points because I think they only get ~80% of what the points
yield in dollars. While prices in the mall are obviously inflated,
it would cause patrons to balk if they truly charged double for
everything. E.G. if Mohegan Sun charged $6/gal for gasoline, it
would probably make the cover of USA Today and be the brunt of Jay
Leno's jokes for the next month. At least Foxwoods is giving you the
option.

--- In vpFREE_NewEngland@yahoogroups.com, "steviemcc1"
<steviemcc1@...> wrote:
...

Obviously, you're better off not taking the cash unless you reallty
run out of things to spend your points on; even with the gas cards
they did not charge double. But there will always be some people

who

will be in a rush to leave and not coming back for a long time who
will opt for cash. Some people have asked why the CT casinos don't
give cash back and I was against it because I knew the return would
be far lower than their points give. The merchants brunt some of

the

cost of points because I think they only get ~80% of what the

points

yield in dollars. While prices in the mall are obviously inflated,
it would cause patrons to balk if they truly charged double for
everything. E.G. if Mohegan Sun charged $6/gal for gasoline, it
would probably make the cover of USA Today and be the brunt of Jay
Leno's jokes for the next month. At least Foxwoods is giving you

the

option.

Steve,

Points at Foxwoods are no longer equivalent to points a MS other than
with respect to food and hotel. Foxwoods has diluted the value of its
points severly. For example gas prices at MS are about 125% of
market. A few years ago I bought quite a number of gas cards at
Fowwoods for 125 pts for $100, then they were subsequently priced at
150 pts, now when I checked they are 175 pts. I priced 26" lcd Sharp
TVs at Brookstone at MS and the Foxwoods store. The models were not
identical, but similar and according to Price Scan a good internet
price would be about $800. Brookstone wanted 1400 pts and Foxwoods
2000.

A few years ago a Brookstone employee told me MS reimbursed them at
90%, I would guess the percentage as Foxwoods is substantially less.
Foxwoods is probably diluting the value of its points as it is
considering double points promotions the norm.

given that:
i)the margnal value of pure comp points goes down the more your have,
especially if meals and hotels are comped, and
ii) the continuing depreciation in the value of the FW points
I maintain recieving cash at 50% of points face is a rational choice.

David