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New 100.3%DDB or Unicorn?

#1

I had the following exchange on this board on Oct 2nd. It seems to
have gone under the radar without further comment. I am wondering if
the paytable desribed actually exists or not:

I was at the Riviera and noticed a variation of a DDB. It was a
Game King/Maker(?) with a variety of VP games. The DDB, at first,
looked the same as I've seen, paying 9/6. Closer examination showed
that this version did not call for the "kicker"
for a high pay for 4 aces or 4 - 2/3/4's. Instead, the payout was
for "sequential". If you got 4 Aces in a row....2,000. 4- 2/3/4's
in a row was 800. Is that worse, better or the same odds as what I
assume is the standard "four with a kicker"? I have no clue how to
program WinPoker to determine this.

My response was:
This is an interesting paytable. Assuming there are no other
variations from standard DDB paytable I get a return of 100.30%. The
way I calculated this was I used an average return of 1,280 for the
quad aces and an average return of 560 on quad 2,3 and 4s. Two out of
every five quads should be "in a row" without being separated by a
card in one of the three inside positions. -JFR

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis" <cruiseden@y...> wrote:

#2

I too saw this game at the Riv, but didn't play it, the machines
looked brand new and were tall uprights, with large screens, located
near the high end slots.

But what I thought I saw, was that the REGULAR payout for 5-Kings,
was not 250 coins, but less, can't remember for sure, but I thought
is was like 200. I'm going back this monday and staying at the
Stardust, so I can hop across the street and check this out for sure !

I had the following exchange on this board on Oct 2nd. It seems to
have gone under the radar without further comment. I am wondering

if

the paytable desribed actually exists or not:

> I was at the Riviera and noticed a variation of a DDB. It was a
> Game King/Maker(?) with a variety of VP games. The DDB, at first,
> looked the same as I've seen, paying 9/6. Closer examination

showed

> that this version did not call for the "kicker"
> for a high pay for 4 aces or 4 - 2/3/4's. Instead, the payout was
> for "sequential". If you got 4 Aces in a row....2,000. 4- 2/3/4's
> in a row was 800. Is that worse, better or the same odds as what

I

> assume is the standard "four with a kicker"? I have no clue how

to

> program WinPoker to determine this.

My response was:
This is an interesting paytable. Assuming there are no other
variations from standard DDB paytable I get a return of 100.30%.

The

way I calculated this was I used an average return of 1,280 for the
quad aces and an average return of 560 on quad 2,3 and 4s. Two out

of

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jerry Reller" <JFReller@a...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dennis" <cruiseden@y...> wrote:
every five quads should be "in a row" without being separated by a
card in one of the three inside positions. -JFR

#3

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "midwest_vpman" <midwest_vpman@y...>
wrote:

I too saw this game at the Riv, but didn't play it, the machines
looked brand new and were tall uprights, with large screens,
located near the high end slots.

But what I thought I saw, was that the REGULAR payout for 5-Kings,
was not 250 coins, but less, can't remember for sure, but I thought
is was like 200. I'm going back this monday and staying at the
Stardust, so I can hop across the street and check this out for
sure !

Dropping the 5-K 4oak to 200 would knock the return down to 98.67%
from 100.3%. I'll be interested in learning what you find. -JFR