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Need help finding video poker software

#1

"casinogeek" <casinogeek@...> wrote:
My question is, does anyone know if the Wolf software
will be updated to include games like Double Super Times
Pay? I have tried some other software but the automated
simulation does not seem to provide the same type of info
that I find to be useful. Any suggestions?

According to this, it doesn't sound like Wolf Video Poker software will be upgraded: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/111778

I don't know of any training software that has Double Super Times Pay, although Video Poker for Winners has some other games by Action Gaming.

#2

"casinogeek" <casinogeek@...> wrote:
My question is, does anyone know if the Wolf software
will be updated to include games like Double Super Times
Pay? I have tried some other software but the automated
simulation does not seem to provide the same type of info
that I find to be useful. Any suggestions?

There are a lot of games (like Quick Quads --- Ultimate X) that I'd like to see on a new version of Video Poker for Winners. Unfortunately Mike Wood --- the mathematician behind VPW --- passed away not so long ago. He was one of Ernie Moody's best friends. Ernie (the financial backer behind the software) hasn't felt inclined to go ahead with another version. Insofar as Double Super Times Pay specifically, the game can be analyzed completely by treating it as regular 5-coin-per-line game and adding a half-percent to the return. None of the plays change when you go from regular pay schedules to DSTP pay schedules. Bob
   
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#3

I understand about none of the strategy plays change, but I don't think that you can get the variance for the game without knowing the multiplier frequency, which apparently is (at least slightly) different than regular Super Times Pay. Or is that public knowledge that I just haven't noticed?

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From: Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@hotmail.com>
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:46 AM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Need help finding video poker software

"casinogeek" <casinogeek@...> wrote:
My question is, does anyone know if the Wolf software
will be updated to include games like Double Super Times
Pay? I have tried some other software but the automated
simulation does not seem to provide the same type of info
that I find to be useful. Any suggestions?

There are a lot of games (like Quick Quads --- Ultimate X) that I'd like to see on a new version of Video Poker for Winners. Unfortunately Mike Wood --- the mathematician behind VPW --- passed away not so long ago. He was one of Ernie Moody's best friends. Ernie (the financial backer behind the software) hasn't felt inclined to go ahead with another version. Insofar as Double Super Times Pay specifically, the game can be analyzed completely by treating it as regular 5-coin-per-line game and adding a half-percent to the return. None of the plays change when you go from regular pay schedules to DSTP pay schedules. Bob

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#4

Bob,
Thanks for info. Sad to hear about Mike. Hopefully someone (Ernie) still
has access to the source code? I am sure that someone in the future will
be able to update it when the time/money is right.
My understanding is that the expected return on the normal Super Times
Pay is plus .5 as you mentioned. So 9/6 JoB would be 0.998204 however
Double Super Times Pay is 100.05%.
(http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/double-super-times-pay.html
<http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/tables/double-super-times-pay.html>
)
As Rick wrote, I too understand that the strategy does not change but
what's not clear to me is the standard deviation number for STP or DSTP.
I understand stand normal 9/6 Jacks or Better to have a SD of 4.43.

The same link above sheds some light...it states:Volatility- Based on
the actual multiplier probabilities, the Super Times Pay feature
increases the standard deviation by 51%, compared to not paying for it.
Can someone translate that for me into an actual number?
Even then it's only for STP and I would still like to know what the SD
for DSTP is. This is ideally why i was looking for software so that i
could just run a bunch of simulations so I knew how much bankroll was
necessary but just know the proper SD would help a bunch.
Thanks everyone!!

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rick E. Percy" <ricke.percy@...>
wrote:>> I understand about none of the strategy plays change, but I
don't think that you can get the variance for the game without knowing
the multiplier frequency, which apparently is (at least slightly)
different than regular Super Times Pay. Or is that public knowledge
that I just haven't noticed?> > > > ________________________________>
Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:46 AM> Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Need help
finding video poker software> > > Â > > > "casinogeek" <casinogeek@>
wrote:> > My question is, does anyone know if the Wolf software> > will
be updated to include games like Double Super Times> > Pay? I have tried
some other software but the automated> > simulation does not seem to
provide the same type of info> > that I find to be useful. Any
suggestions?> There are a lot of games (like Quick Quads --- Ultimate X)
that I'd like to see on a new version of Video Poker for Winners.
Unfortunately Mike Wood --- the mathematician behind VPW --- passed away
not so long ago. He was one of Ernie Moody's best friends. Ernie (the
financial backer behind the software) hasn't felt inclined to go ahead
with another version. Insofar as Double Super Times Pay specifically,
the game can be analyzed completely by treating it as regular
5-coin-per-line game and adding a half-percent to the return. None of
the plays change when you go from regular pay schedules to DSTP pay
schedules. Bob> > > .> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have
been removed]> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been
removed]>

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From: Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...>> To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com> Sent:

#5

Casinogeek wrote: My understanding is that the expected return on the normal Super Times

Pay is plus .5 as you mentioned. So 9/6 JoB would be 0.998204 however

Double Super Times Pay is 100.05%. 100.05% DOES represent a 0.5% increase over 99.54%. The STP 99.82% represents a 0.28% increase over 99.54%. In both games, these are typical (though not universal) increases. The wizardofodds.com citation in the original post gives the returns for all pay schedules for both games. Bob

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#6

Bob,
Ahhh ok, I see what you're saying now with the 0.5%. Thanks for taking the time to explain....I'm still new at all this.

Any clues on the SD for each STP game? The math involved on wizardofodds for multi-line alone has already tested my fading math skills.

Thanks!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:

Casinogeek wrote: My understanding is that the expected return on the normal Super Times

Pay is plus .5 as you mentioned. So 9/6 JoB would be 0.998204 however

Double Super Times Pay is 100.05%. 100.05% DOES represent a 0.5% increase over 99.54%. The STP 99.82% represents a 0.28% increase over 99.54%. In both games, these are typical (though not universal) increases. The wizardofodds.com citation in the original post gives the returns for all pay schedules for both games. Bob

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#7

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6 players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number of players make a difference ?

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#8

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#9

I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#10

Google will do it for you. Just type "52 choose 6" into the search bar.

Ed

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On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:43 AM, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@yahoo.com>wrote:

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   I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about
119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the
number
of players make a difference ?

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#11

52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

   I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#12

Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#13

and the final answer is ?

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: jokerswild1203@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:19:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#14

Final answer is: 1 in 20,358,520

I did the math for SHFL for the sidebet.

Elliot Frome
Gambatria.com

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Hood <KcjHood@...> wrote:

and the final answer is ?

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: jokerswild1203@...
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:19:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

________________________________
From: pyiddy <pyiddy@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

________________________________
From: pyiddy <pyiddy@... <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#15

52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520.

That's the correct anwer and the correct methodology.

To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com
From: KcjHood@msn.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 18:41:36 -0400
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

and the final answer is ?

To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: jokerswild1203@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:19:27 -0700
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

________________________________
From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

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From: pyiddy <pyiddy@att.net <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.

From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
Kristine Hood
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker

Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
of players make a difference ?

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#16

and just to prove that 20MM to 1 doesn't have to take forever!

http://tinyurl.com/3hmnzdv

Elliot

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "compu_flyers" <kilroydq@...> wrote:

Final answer is: 1 in 20,358,520

I did the math for SHFL for the sidebet.

Elliot Frome
Gambatria.com

— In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Hood <KcjHood@> wrote:
>
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> and the final answer is ?
>
>
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> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> From: jokerswild1203@
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:19:27 -0700
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.
>
> Ned C.
> The Wild Joker
>
> ________________________________
> From: pyiddy <pyiddy@>
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
>
>
> 52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)
>
> From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
>
> I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1
>
> Ned C.
> The Wild Joker
>
> ________________________________
> From: pyiddy <pyiddy@ <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
> Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
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> 1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.
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> Kristine Hood
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
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> Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
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> Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
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#17

With that kind of money on the table, it's almost a guarantee that cheating is involved. Watch this sidebet hit a few more times more than predicted before Harrah's/Caesar's or whoever their backer is gets wise and pulls the plug. It's too easy to cheat hand dealt card games, that's why the smart casinos don't put up big side bets, at least not with their own money. Progressive side bets and bad beats are funded by the customers so the casinos aren't that concerned about cheating.

http://www.cardcheaters.com/

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "compu_flyers" <kilroydq@...> wrote:

and just to prove that 20MM to 1 doesn't have to take forever!

http://tinyurl.com/3hmnzdv

Elliot

— In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "compu_flyers" <kilroydq@> wrote:
>
> Final answer is: 1 in 20,358,520
>
> I did the math for SHFL for the sidebet.
>
> Elliot Frome
> Gambatria.com
>
> — In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Kristine Hood <KcjHood@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > and the final answer is ?
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> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > From: jokerswild1203@
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:19:27 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> >
> >
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> > Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.
> >
> > Ned C.
> > The Wild Joker
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: pyiddy <pyiddy@>
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
> > Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> >
> > 52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260 since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in IL.)
> >
> > From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of The Wild Joker
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> > I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about 119 million to 1
> >
> > Ned C.
> > The Wild Joker
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: pyiddy <pyiddy@ <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
> > Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> > 1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.
> >
> > From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > Kristine Hood
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
> > To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> > Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND royal
> > between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
> > players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the number
> > of players make a difference ?
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#18

I am suspect sharks have a way around it but is this game not dealt by an
automatic shuffler which counts all 52 cards after the players and dealer
get theirs but before the hand is played? I also would hope the eye in the
sky always has this table in view.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
nightoftheiguana2000
Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 12:18 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: MATH Question----3 Card Poker

With that kind of money on the table, it's almost a guarantee that cheating
is involved. Watch this sidebet hit a few more times more than predicted
before Harrah's/Caesar's or whoever their backer is gets wise and pulls the
plug. It's too easy to cheat hand dealt card games, that's why the smart
casinos don't put up big side bets, at least not with their own money.
Progressive side bets and bad beats are funded by the customers so the
casinos aren't that concerned about cheating.

http://www.cardcheaters.com/

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"compu_flyers" <kilroydq@...> wrote:

and just to prove that 20MM to 1 doesn't have to take forever!

http://tinyurl.com/3hmnzdv

Elliot

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"compu_flyers" <kilroydq@> wrote:

>
> Final answer is: 1 in 20,358,520
>
> I did the math for SHFL for the sidebet.
>
> Elliot Frome
> Gambatria.com
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,

Kristine Hood <KcjHood@> wrote:

> >
> >
> > and the final answer is ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
> > From: jokerswild1203@
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 15:19:27 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks. I did it different, and your's is probably right.
> >
> > Ned C.
> > The Wild Joker
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: pyiddy <pyiddy@>
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 9:13 PM
> > Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> >
> > 52!/46!6! = (52*51*50*49*48*47)/(1*2*3*4*5*6) = 20,358,520. In IL, the

regular lotto is 6 out of 52 which is exactly the same as getting 6 specific
cards out of a 52 card deck. The IL lottery shows the odds as 1:10,179,260
since you get two picks for a $1 play. ( You cannot buy a 50c lotto play in
IL.)

> >
> > From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>

[mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of The Wild Joker

> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 1:43 PM
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> > I calculated higher than that, but it was a quick n dirty. I got about

119 million to 1

> >
> > Ned C.
> > The Wild Joker
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: pyiddy <pyiddy@ <mailto:pyiddy%40att.net> >
> > To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>

> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 2:40 PM
> > Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> > 1 in 20,358,520. Number of players makes no difference.
> >
> > From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>

<mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vpF…@…com
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> > Kristine Hood
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:57 PM
> > To: vpfree@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpfree%40yahoogroups.com>

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> > Subject: [vpFREE] MATH Question----3 Card Poker
> >
> > Game is offering a million dollar prize with getting a 6 card DIAMOND

royal

> > between your three cards and the dealers 3 cards. There can be up to 6
> > players on the table. What are the odds of gettting this and does the

number

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