is this machine in lv yet and if so where
you can play it for fun at www.multistrikepoker.com
multistrike poker?
Multi-Strike Poker is scheduled to be installed at two Las Vegas
locations on Monday 12/16 and at two other locations later in the
week. It should appear at about a dozen Las Vegas locations over the
next 30 days.
It often happens that game installs are delayed due to various
reasons.
I will announce the locations here as soon as the games are
operational.
In the meantime you can learn about the game and practice it at
http://www.multistrikepoker.com
-Larry
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tktko1 <klineth@c...>" <klineth@c...>
wrote:
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is this machine in lv yet and if so where
you can play it for fun at www.multistrikepoker.com
Great website and a great new game concept! Unfortunately, I lost
1,000 credits in record time; thank goodness I was in practice mode.
Cheers.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Larry218 <larry@L...>" <larry@L...>
wrote:
Multi-Strike Poker is scheduled to be installed at two Las Vegas
locations on Monday 12/16 and at two other locations later in the
week. It should appear at about a dozen Las Vegas locations over
the > next 30 days.
···
In the meantime you can learn about the game and practice it at
http://www.multistrikepoker.com-Larry
It's been exciting to see the introduction of games that offer up some
novelty over traditional single-line play. Unfortunately, when these
games are ballyhooed in various gaming publications (particularly if
there's a potential that good paytables will be offered) there's no
mention to be found of the relative volatility inherent in these games.
I imagine that there's many a single-line $1 player or 3-play/5-play
$.25 player who hits these and finds that they're wrestling a critter
that's much more ornery than they counted on.
- Harry
fordscks wrote:
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Great website and a great new game concept! Unfortunately, I lost
1,000 credits in record time; thank goodness I was in practice mode.
The demo is great fun, but the inherent weakness is that you are making your
entire bet on a first line win. iow, without a win or free pass, you don't
move up, as opposed to standard multi-line where you play all lines,
regardless. I assume that this is what you mean by relative volatility in
this case. Otherwise, is there a reason to play each invidual hand any
differently than you otherwise would?
lb
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----- Original Message -----
From: <harry.porter@verizon.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:17 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Multi Strike Poker? (and a comment on other novelty
games)
It's been exciting to see the introduction of games that offer up some
novelty over traditional single-line play. Unfortunately, when these
games are ballyhooed in various gaming publications (particularly if
there's a potential that good paytables will be offered) there's no
mention to be found of the relative volatility inherent in these games.I imagine that there's many a single-line $1 player or 3-play/5-play
$.25 player who hits these and finds that they're wrestling a critter
that's much more ornery than they counted on.- Harry
fordscks wrote:
> Great website and a great new game concept! Unfortunately, I lost
> 1,000 credits in record time; thank goodness I was in practice mode.vpFREE Home Page:
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This game was in the Peppermill last summer and is now gone. I played
around with it and never saw my money disappear so fast. The varience
must be extremely high. To make matters worse, whe it finally arrives
in Las Vegas, I doubt if the pay tables will be optimum.
George in SF
The demo is great fun, but the inherent weakness is that you are
making your
entire bet on a first line win. iow, without a win or free pass, you
don't
move up, as opposed to standard multi-line where you play all lines,
regardless. I assume that this is what you mean by relative
volatility in
this case. Otherwise, is there a reason to play each invidual hand any
differently than you otherwise would?
lb
From: <harry.porter@v...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 5:17 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Multi Strike Poker? (and a comment on other
novelty
games)
> It's been exciting to see the introduction of games that offer up some
> novelty over traditional single-line play. Unfortunately, when these
> games are ballyhooed in various gaming publications (particularly if
> there's a potential that good paytables will be offered) there's no
> mention to be found of the relative volatility inherent in these
games.
>
> I imagine that there's many a single-line $1 player or 3-play/5-play
> $.25 player who hits these and finds that they're wrestling a critter
> that's much more ornery than they counted on.
>
> - Harry
>
>
> fordscks wrote:
> > Great website and a great new game concept! Unfortunately, I lost
> > 1,000 credits in record time; thank goodness I was in practice mode.
>
>
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Boxer" <ljboxer@e...> wrote:
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>
>
If you saw this at Peppermill then apparently you got a sneak preview.
It stands to reason that variance would be higher than standard four
play. Four play variance is higher than single play since all four
lines rely upon the strength or weakness of the initial dealt line.
Here, you don't even get to see higher lines unless you get a decent
deal/draw on the first. I think players could be in for a wild ride.
Just think how often you see three or four garbage hands in a row.
In this game you'll be kissing off 60 or 80 credits. But those quad
hits on the top line are going to be sweet indeed. Some people will
thrill over the excitement, others will burn a hundred or so and run
for their lives :).
A few brief additional comments about strategy. A couple of things
become clear with further thought.
Assuming that you don't modify play strategy from standard optimal
strategy, the return you realize on the game will be dependent upon
the probability of advancing to the next line through a win or getting
a free ride card. If the probability is equal to 50%, then the return
is equal to the standard base paytable since the payouts double with
each line advance.
However, in reviewing the free ride card frequencies stated for the
FPDW game it becomes apparent that the probability of advancing from
one line to the next with standard strategy is very modestly short of
50%. Because of the cumulative effect of that probability as you
advance up the lines, the return on the game with unaltered strategy
becomes "shorted" quite a bit: 99.88% vs. 100.76% for single line play.
Adopting a strategy that increases the probability of advancing to the
next line without impairing return significantly would be attractive.
And developing such a strategy will be a focus of much activity from
those who look for a way to play the game advantageously. However,
this won't be for the quantitatively challenged :).
- Harry
catcat94114 wrote:
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This game was in the Peppermill last summer and is now gone. I
played around with it and never saw my money disappear so fast. The
varience must be extremely high. To make matters worse, whe it
finally arrives in Las Vegas, I doubt if the pay tables will be
optimum.George in SF
Bravo Harry!
99.88% is the exact return for the FPDW paytable if the
perfect "normal FPDW" strategy is used for this game.
As you suggest, a modified strategy would be a good thing. For Multi-
Strike Poker FPDW, a few small strategy modifications bring the
optimal play return up to 100.881%.
All paytables in Multi-Strike poker offer a slightly higher return
than the same paytable on a standard game. This has to happen by law
in certain jurisdictions because each added hand has to provide the
same or higher return (and 1 hand operates as the standard game).
This .12% gain for FPDW is among the smallest of the games because
the game is already so positive.
9-6 Jacks or better goes from 99.54% up to 99.79% a .25% gain!
To achieve these gains you have to make the strategy modifications
that you hint upon below.
For all those looking for help in how to approach this game, you will
be getting a nice Holiday present soon. In the January issue of
Strictly Slots, the game is discussed with a full strategy discussion
of one of the games, along with details on how to use "Bob Dancer
Presents Winpoker" and VPSM with the modified strategy for any game.
To answer other questions in this thread:
The Free Ride Percentages are shown in the "See Pays" screen of the
real casino game. (They are also shown in the See Pays screen of the
demo program). These are fixed for each paytable (there won't be
some 9-6 JB with good free rides while other 9-6 JB have bad ones).
For most games the same values are used with every possible paytable.
The variance is higher but the ride is not as wild as you would think
when you lose several hands in a row (which happens regularly). You
are not dependent on a big hit to get a lot of that back but often
make up a lot of that ground on modest hits on the 4X and 8X levels.
In 9-6 JB, pick up 2 Pair at the 8X level and the 80 credits wipe out
4 losses in a row. Pickup trips on the 4X level and the 60 credit
win wipes out 3 losses.
The experience that Valerie wrote about in message 9927 is very
typical. She was losing on a long session, but never down more than
800 credits over 2 hours of play. She got enough play to register
the big hit she was looking for.
Valerie's message can be seen at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE/message/9927
I hope that this helps to clarify some of your questions.
-Larry
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter <harry.porter@v...>"
<harry.porter@v...> wrote:
Because of the cumulative effect of that probability as you
advance up the lines, the return on the game with unaltered strategy
becomes "shorted" quite a bit: 99.88% vs. 100.76% for single line
play.
Adopting a strategy that increases the probability of advancing to
the
next line without impairing return significantly would be
attractive.
Larry218 wrote:
Bravo Harry!
99.88% is the exact return for the FPDW paytable if the
perfect "normal FPDW" strategy is used for this game.
No kudos necessary. That much only takes a bit of basic
multiplication once I paid enough attention to realize that the free
ride frequencies were stated in the SEE PAYS screen.
As you suggest, a modified strategy would be a good thing. For Multi-
Strike Poker FPDW, a few small strategy modifications bring the
optimal play return up to 100.881%.
Now, I'll be willing to pat myself on the back a bit when I manage to
see the light as to what optimal strategy is. That one eludes me just
now but I hope no one spills the beans before that January Strictly
Slots article you noted. This is one of the most entertaining vp nuts
I've had to crack in some time. And I suspect I'm being typically
dense on this one :).
The variance is higher but the ride is not as wild as you would think
when you lose several hands in a row (which happens regularly). You
are not dependent on a big hit to get a lot of that back but often
make up a lot of that ground on modest hits on the 4X and 8X levels.
I'm sure you're right but somehow I expect that the JB experience may
play more like standard 4-play DB. I'm speaking just from gut feeling
here; I haven't run any numbers. However, if that's the case then
that's quite a difference. It may not take a big hit to make up lost
ground but in rough numbers you'll win on the 4X line only once in
every eight bets, providing another opportunity for some very dry
streaks.
Bottom line, it doesn't take much imagination to realize that if for
JB a quad on the top line will get you 1000 credits that you've got to
be looking at an expected drain of over 1000 credits in between those
fairly infrequent hits. And I suspect that the typical $1 DB single
line player may be in for some surprise when they try the $.25 variant
of this game.
Don't mind me though, I confess to having a bit of a bug "uma" with
respect to variance. I like to while away a very long day in the
casino without having to run out and take a quick second mortgage to
continue play.
- Harry
Don't mind me though, I confess to having a bit of a bug "uma" with
respect to variance. I like to while away a very long day in the
casino without having to run out and take a quick second mortgage to
continue play.
At least you have a mortgage. Most of us VP players sleep
in our cars.
QZ
- Harry
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I have been informed that Multi-Strike Poker machines were installed
today at both The Orleans and at Sam's Town. The games at The
Orleans are located near the Spinning Reel Wheel of Fortune games at
the edge of the casino leading toward the hotel elevators. I am not
certain where the games are located at Sam's Town.
-Larry
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Larry218 <larry@L...>" <larry@L...>
wrote:
Multi-Strike Poker is scheduled to be installed at two Las Vegas
locations on Monday 12/16 and at two other locations later in the
week. It should appear at about a dozen Las Vegas locations over
the
next 30 days.
I will announce the locations here as soon as the games are
operational.
In the meantime you can learn about the game and practice it at