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Multi-Strike Poker

I need some quick advice because I am leaving for Las Vegas tomorrow
and know I can depend on the vast knowledge this group offers since I
have run out of time to do my own research right now. I play video
poker but the one game I have never really played is Multi-Strike
poker, but I've heard you guys mention it. I have no idea whether it is
a good game to play or not, or which casino I would find the better
games. I don't recall right off hand seeing it mentioned in the data
bases. Are there any casinos that anyone can mention that are on the
strip that have better versions than others, or should I just stick to
the regular video poker if I am only a quarter player most of the time.

thanks for any advice.

Vicki

MS can be a good game to play. Whether it is a good game for you will
depend on your knowledge, your taste, your bankroll and the quality of the
paytable offered to you. It is probably not a great game for you tomorrow
because it requires some fairly important strategy modifications from
"normal" vp and you don't have that knowledge.

Chandler

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
VICKI
Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 6:18 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Multi-Strike Poker

I need some quick advice because I am leaving for Las Vegas tomorrow
and know I can depend on the vast knowledge this group offers since I
have run out of time to do my own research right now. I play video
poker but the one game I have never really played is Multi-Strike
poker, but I've heard you guys mention it. I have no idea whether it is
a good game to play or not, or which casino I would find the better
games. I don't recall right off hand seeing it mentioned in the data
bases. Are there any casinos that anyone can mention that are on the
strip that have better versions than others, or should I just stick to
the regular video poker if I am only a quarter player most of the time.

thanks for any advice.

Vicki

I need some quick advice because I am leaving for Las Vegas

tomorrow

and know I can depend on the vast knowledge this group offers since

I

have run out of time to do my own research right now. I play video
poker but the one game I have never really played is Multi-Strike
poker, but I've heard you guys mention it. I have no idea whether

it is

a good game to play or not, or which casino I would find the better
games. I don't recall right off hand seeing it mentioned in the

data

bases. Are there any casinos that anyone can mention that are on

the

strip that have better versions than others, or should I just stick

to

the regular video poker if I am only a quarter player most of the

time.

thanks for any advice.

Vicki

The Bob Dancer article at ledgaming.com explains the 6-4-2 rule for
Multi-Strike. It is already incorporated into his Video Poker for
Winners software. If you have any of the other software packages, for
the first line add 30 (6x5) to the five coin payout for each hand. 20
for the second line and 10 for the third line. This will allow you to
practice or if you have a strategy generator it will generate the
correct strategy for that line. Multi-Strike is usually a little over
0.2% better return than the underlying game for non-wild games. (EX:9-
6 jacks is 99.54% normally, Multi-Strike version is 99.79%.) For
deuce games it is usually about 0.1% better. (EX: 25-12 DBDW is
99.81% normally but 99.96% in Multi-Strike but note only 99.89% on
five play Multi-Strike due to slightly different "free ride"
percentages. by the way any time you get a free ride and on the
fourth line you play normal strategy.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "VICKI" <VICKI53@...> wrote:

VICKI wrote:

I need some quick advice because I am leaving for Las Vegas tomorrow
and know I can depend on the vast knowledge this group offers since I
have run out of time to do my own research right now. I play video
poker but the one game I have never really played is Multi-Strike
poker, but I've heard you guys mention it. I have no idea whether it
is a good game to play or not, or which casino I would find the
better games. I don't recall right off hand seeing it mentioned in
the data bases. Are there any casinos that anyone can mention that
are on the strip that have better versions than others, or should I
just stick to the regular video poker if I am only a quarter player
most of the time.

Hi Vicki,

Howard Stern has noted the Bob Dancer article that pretty much spells
out the specifics of the game. It can be found at:
http://tinyurl.com/6nbp

Let me try and lay out the most basic considerations concerning the game:

Mechanics:

The game is played at up to four levels of hands (lines) -- It may be
played with less, but the expected return is diminished. You play a
standard 5 coin wager on each of the levels played. Thus, playing 4
levels at full coin, you'd wager 5 coins. (In quarters, this is a $5
wager per play.)

When playing, you're dealt a hand on the first level. You hold cards
as you normally would. If, on the draw, you complete a paying hand,
you advance to the next level, where the payouts on all hands double.
If your result on the first level is a bust, the play is over.

Play on the 2nd level continues as the first. A successful win
advances you to the 3rd where all payouts are now 4x the base pays
(for example, if a paying pair on the first level pays 5, it pays 20
here). Another successful win and you'll advance to the 4th level,
where the prospect for 8x payouts and produce a great jackpot and a
final hand such as a royal flush.

There's an added dimension to the game: With a frequency of roughly
one in 14 hands dealt, a "Free Ride" appears. When you see one, it
means that no mater what the outcome on that level you will
automatically advance to the next level. (Actual frequencies vary by
level in play and game played.)

When the Free Rides are accounted for, your probability of advancement
to the next level is about 50% in each case. As a consequence, 50% of
your plays will end with a bust on the first level. 25% of all plays
will end on the 2nd level; 12% on the third level, 6% will end with a
win on the 4th level.

If you're looking at a game with a roughly 1 in 40,000 shot at a RF
for a played hand, you expect to land the big 32,000 credit 4th level
RF kahuna once in 320 thousand hands. There have been at least a
couple of players around here who've enjoyed that play highlight.

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Strategy:

The higher multipliers at upper levels means that there's considerable
inducement to advance your play up the levels. This means that
shifting your strategy on lower levels to improve the probability of a
winning hand (without unduly sacrificing the return on wins) will
increase expected return on play.

Bob Dancer's article outlines a very straightforward method by which
to determine optimum strategy for each level. You need a strategy
generator such as that provided by VP Strategy Master, Frugal VP, or
VP for Winners.

The means by which to recalculate optimum strategy is referred to by
the shorthand 6/4/2 -- a reference to the fact that you adjust
paytable values by adding these amounts to payout for the 1st/2nd/3rd
levels respectively (multiplying by number of coins played - thus for
the first level of 9/6 Jacks, you'd analyze the game with a one pair
payout of 35 and a RF of 4030.) Additional detail is in Bob's article.

The bottom line is that to play the game for the ideal expected
return, it's necessary to employ a different strategy for each Level
of Play. (You play standard strategy if a Free Play has appeared on a
Level, or for the 4th Level, since advancement to the next level is
automatic in the first case, and not a factor in the second).

The need to learn a different strategy for each level is key to the
game and what makes it particularly challenging. However, in most
cases the strategy shifts are relatively modest. Think of it being
roughly akin to driving a stick transmission. It's awkward at first,
but most of us can manage to get into synch with decent practice.

There's a payoff for that added strategy effort: a modest boost in
expected return over the standard paytable. For 9/6 Jacks or Better,
the optimum play 4-level Multistrike ER is 99.79%.

However, there's a fairly harsh penalty should you choose to play
Multistrike without any strategy adjustment. For 9/6 Jacks,
unadjusted strategy will net you an ER of only 97.8%

- Harry

VICKI wrote:

I have no idea whether it is a good game to play or not, or which
casino I would find the better games. I don't recall right off hand
seeing it mentioned in the data bases. Are there any casinos that
anyone can mention that are on the strip that have better versions
than others, or should I just stick to the regular video poker if I
am only a quarter player most of the time.

Vicki, I've addressed the game in general in a separate post. Let me
touch on your specific play options:

As I discussed, to have the most attractive game it's necessary to
play the game "full coin": that is, 5 coins per level, and all 4
levels. I also noted that you needed to have a session bankroll that
was at least as strong were you entering play of a single line game at
the same denomination.

So, for example, the wager for $.25 MS at full coin is 20 coins, or
$5. A standard single line $1 player will generally find $.25 MS a
comfortable play, but a $.50 player is likely to find the game too
volatile. In trust, I'd suggest that a $.25 MS player be prepared for
something just a tad rougher in the short run than in their typical $1
single line play.

You write of generally begin a quarter player. I'd recommend that you
stick to a nickel game ($1 total wager), although you might be
comfortable with a $.10 game as a stretch, particularly if you
occasionally venture to $.50 single line stakes.

"Full pay" video poker on the strip proper is hard to come by in any
denomination. Because we're talking about relatively limited stakes,
don't expect to find it there. The vpFREE database suggests a couple
of off-strip venues for your play where 99%+ games might be found.
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDMS.htm

You may wish to reconfirm the presence of any games that are of interest.

- Harry

Make sure you're playing on a machine that has a max bet of 20 coins
before you hit the max bet button. In June of 2004 I sat down at a
machine at Harrah's Rincon in San Diego and started off with nickel
play to get the hang of it (I'd never played it before, but had heard
a few friends talking about it). I was up quickly and switched to
quarter play. I didn't even realize it was a 100 coin machine and I
was betting $25 a hand at a game I really didn't even know the
strategy for. I got extremely lucky and hit a royal on the 3rd line
for $20K! Now that I know the game I can't hit anything. lol

VICKI wrote:
> I have no idea whether it is a good game to play or not, or which
> casino I would find the better games. I don't recall right off hand
> seeing it mentioned in the data bases. Are there any casinos that
> anyone can mention that are on the strip that have better versions
> than others, or should I just stick to the regular video poker if I
> am only a quarter player most of the time.

Vicki, I've addressed the game in general in a separate post. Let me
touch on your specific play options:

As I discussed, to have the most attractive game it's necessary to
play the game "full coin": that is, 5 coins per level, and all 4
levels. I also noted that you needed to have a session bankroll that
was at least as strong were you entering play of a single line game at
the same denomination.

So, for example, the wager for $.25 MS at full coin is 20 coins, or
$5. A standard single line $1 player will generally find $.25 MS a
comfortable play, but a $.50 player is likely to find the game too
volatile. In trust, I'd suggest that a $.25 MS player be prepared for
something just a tad rougher in the short run than in their typical $1
single line play.

You write of generally begin a quarter player. I'd recommend that you
stick to a nickel game ($1 total wager), although you might be
comfortable with a $.10 game as a stretch, particularly if you
occasionally venture to $.50 single line stakes.

"Full pay" video poker on the strip proper is hard to come by in any
denomination. Because we're talking about relatively limited stakes,
don't expect to find it there. The vpFREE database suggests a couple
of off-strip venues for your play where 99%+ games might be found.
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDMS.htm

You may wish to reconfirm the presence of any games that are of

interest.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

- Harry

You are SOOO right in your comments, Chandler.

The first (and ONLY) time I played M/S was last year, at the El
Cortez. At that time they had two M/S games (near the Poker Room)
that offered 9/6JOB at the .25c denom. I had never played it
before, and knew zilch about the strategy. But I was well ahead for
the day and decided to take a "potshot", something I very rarely do.

The play resulted in a very lucky streak, where I managed to get to
the 4th level several times. This including snaring a few flushes
and full houses, at the top level.

When my Bennie tripled, to $300, I cashed out with my nice profit. I
didn't attempt to play this game again, because of being unfamiliar
with the strategy.

Sometime after I returned home, I received the (then) new VPW, and
decided to play M/S so that I could learn proper strategy.

Playing the M/S 9/6JOB game, I was amazed at the strategy changes
from regular JOB.

After a couple of hours of practice, I decided to give up M/S for
the forseeable future. My concern was that, in practicing proper M/S
strategy, that my other JOB VP playing would become seriously
impaired.

When playing JOB, the proper strategy on the first three levels, is
mostly counter to what would be correct in normal JOB play. I felt
that it would be too confusing unless I decided to play nothing
except M/S. Since that's not my preference, I decided to forego
future forays into M/S, at least when I was risking real bankroll,
in a casino.

I do admire those who have the capacity to easily switch from M/S,
to other games, w/o sacrificing EV!

~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@...> wrote:

MS can be a good game to play. Whether it is a good game for you
willdepend on your knowledge, your taste, your bankroll and the
quality of the paytable offered to you. It is probably not a great
game for you tomorrow because it requires some fairly important
strategy modifications from "normal" vp and you don't have that
knowledge.

Chandler

You are not alone in what happen. There are many times I have sat
down at a machine and got lucky right before I realized the coins
amount being bet or the game I was playing. Its like a little angel
from heaven was saving me from my own stupidity. :slight_smile:

Make sure you're playing on a machine that has a max bet of 20

coins

before you hit the max bet button. In June of 2004 I sat down at a
machine at Harrah's Rincon in San Diego and started off with nickel
play to get the hang of it (I'd never played it before, but had

heard

a few friends talking about it). I was up quickly and switched to
quarter play. I didn't even realize it was a 100 coin machine and I
was betting $25 a hand at a game I really didn't even know the
strategy for. I got extremely lucky and hit a royal on the 3rd line
for $20K! Now that I know the game I can't hit anything. lol

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@>

wrote:

>
> VICKI wrote:
> > I have no idea whether it is a good game to play or not, or

which

> > casino I would find the better games. I don't recall right off

hand

> > seeing it mentioned in the data bases. Are there any casinos

that

> > anyone can mention that are on the strip that have better

versions

> > than others, or should I just stick to the regular video poker

if I

> > am only a quarter player most of the time.
>
> Vicki, I've addressed the game in general in a separate post.

Let me

> touch on your specific play options:
>
> As I discussed, to have the most attractive game it's necessary

to

> play the game "full coin": that is, 5 coins per level, and all 4
> levels. I also noted that you needed to have a session bankroll

that

> was at least as strong were you entering play of a single line

game at

> the same denomination.
>
> So, for example, the wager for $.25 MS at full coin is 20 coins,

or

> $5. A standard single line $1 player will generally find $.25

MS a

> comfortable play, but a $.50 player is likely to find the game

too

> volatile. In trust, I'd suggest that a $.25 MS player be

prepared for

> something just a tad rougher in the short run than in their

typical $1

> single line play.
>
> You write of generally begin a quarter player. I'd recommend

that you

> stick to a nickel game ($1 total wager), although you might be
> comfortable with a $.10 game as a stretch, particularly if you
> occasionally venture to $.50 single line stakes.
>
> "Full pay" video poker on the strip proper is hard to come by in

any

> denomination. Because we're talking about relatively limited

stakes,

> don't expect to find it there. The vpFREE database suggests a

couple

> of off-strip venues for your play where 99%+ games might be

found.

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "justmarelv" <justmare111@...> wrote:

> http://members.cox.net/vpfree/CDMS.htm
>
> You may wish to reconfirm the presence of any games that are of
interest.
>
> - Harry
>