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MSS scratch cards

#1

I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for the scratch
cards for 4-kind. It's easy in a JOB or DB game to just add the additional
coins (about $2.75) to the 4-kind payout in Winpoker. But for DW you can't do
that.

Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?

Mike from Little Rock

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#2

I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for

the scratch

cards for 4-kind.

Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?

It is around once per 475 hands. (including 5ks that have only 1
deuce) I don't have the exact figure in front of me. So if scratch
cards average $3 each, it will add about 0.5% to the game EV. Good
luck. TomSki

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#3

We use between .4 and .6 since that has been the cash value of the cards we
received divided by our coin in. That has been our actual return.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike aclin" <aclinml@yahoo.com>
To: <vpfree@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:57 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for the

scratch

cards for 4-kind. It's easy in a JOB or DB game to just add the additional
coins (about $2.75) to the 4-kind payout in Winpoker. But for DW you can't

do

that.

Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?

Mike from Little Rock

#4

Frugal video poker will allow you to break away the natural vs wild
quads and also every other natural vs wild. That is one of the
reasons why it is a better purchase.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for the scratch
cards for 4-kind. It's easy in a JOB or DB game to just add the additional
coins (about $2.75) to the 4-kind payout in Winpoker. But for DW you can't do
that.

Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?

Mike from Little Rock

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#5

But FVP still isn't totally accurate for something such as scratch cards or
4kind promos as it does not consider that you can have both a natural 4kind
like a promotion AND an equivalent or better winning hand.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Elliott Shapiro [mailto:ellio…@…com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:03 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

Frugal video poker will allow you to break away the natural vs wild
quads and also every other natural vs wild. That is one of the
reasons why it is a better purchase.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for the

scratch

cards for 4-kind. It's easy in a JOB or DB game to just add the additional
coins (about $2.75) to the 4-kind payout in Winpoker. But for DW you can't

do

that.

Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?

Mike from Little Rock

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#6

Was comparing FVP and BDWP. Neither does what you say.

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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:16:53 -0700, you wrote:

But FVP still isn't totally accurate for something such as scratch cards or
4kind promos as it does not consider that you can have both a natural 4kind
like a promotion AND an equivalent or better winning hand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Elliott Shapiro [mailto:ellio…@…com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 6:03 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

Frugal video poker will allow you to break away the natural vs wild
quads and also every other natural vs wild. That is one of the
reasons why it is a better purchase.

On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 12:57:47 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for the

scratch

cards for 4-kind. It's easy in a JOB or DB game to just add the additional
coins (about $2.75) to the 4-kind payout in Winpoker. But for DW you can't

do

that.

Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?

Mike from Little Rock

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#7

Over the holiday weekend we actually got up to .7% via scratch cards.
We got lucky with a $20 card that day.

Happened actually while sitting next to EDNAR !!

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-----Original Message-----
  From: Ednar [mailto:ed…@…com]
  Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:44 PM
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

  We use between .4 and .6 since that has been the cash value of the cards
we
  received divided by our coin in. That has been our actual return.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Mike aclin" <aclinml@yahoo.com>
  To: <vpfree@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:57 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

  > I'm trying to figure out the added EV for a FPDW player at MSS for the
  scratch
  > cards for 4-kind. It's easy in a JOB or DB game to just add the
additional
  > coins (about $2.75) to the 4-kind payout in Winpoker. But for DW you
can't
  do
  > that.
  >
  > Does anyone know the frequency of NATURAL 4-kinds in FPDW?
  >
  > Mike from Little Rock

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#8

As usual, I am good luck for everyone around me!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Boston" <rboston@objectd.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:33 AM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

Over the holiday weekend we actually got up to .7% via scratch cards.
We got lucky with a $20 card that day.

Happened actually while sitting next to EDNAR !!
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Ednar [mailto:ed…@…com]
  Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 4:44 PM
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] MSS scratch cards

  We use between .4 and .6 since that has been the cash value of the cards
we
  received divided by our coin in. That has been our actual return.