--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...>
wrote:
Well, life isn't necessarily binary. It isn't off/on, yes/no or 1/0. I
find it quite possible to be dead funny and deadly serious in the same
breath. I even find it enjoyable. I find it hard not to see the
humor in a
bunch of educated adults entering what may be the perfect Skinner
Box, the
casino, pecking ever more furiously to get that intermittent kernel.
How
far are we humans removed really from that bucket of extra crispy?
I find
it humorous that a cognizant gambler continues to gamble at a place
in which
he strongly believes he may have been cheated, trying to divine which
machine might not cheat him this time.
Count me as one of those who agrees with rockofjello frequently. Also
count me as not being an apologist for vp manufacturers, the casino
industry, and the regulatory bodies that supposedly protect the public
interest. There is no mysticism involved although to someone without
knowledge of statistics, probability, numerical methods, and
hardware/software design it might look that way. Also for those
junkies suffering cognizant dissonance the appeals of the apologists
provide constant comfort so that they can keep getting a fix. I don't
belong to that group by a long shot. I not only can, but will drop any
gambling endeavor without hesitation if I'm convinced it's less than
honest. Sometimes I bid games adieu simply because they were a poor
play and I didn't know any better. I don't suspect gaffing based on
insufficient evidence; it takes a large number of hands to satisfy me
that I've moved out of the realm of simply bad luck into the realm of
the clearly suspicious.
There is no offense intended there.
I find my own attitudes, idiosyncrasies and even mistakes especially
amusing. I've had a bit of fun with myself sometimes on those occasions
when I have been taken advantage of. Feel free to disagree, but I would
find life two dimensional otherwise.Regarding gaffing of machines: I have not experienced anything that
I would
describe as evidence of a non random machine.
That's good and I hope it stays that way. Unfortunately I've spent
enough time in MS over the last 2 years to observe statistically
anomalous behavior on certain machines. MS does not need to engage in
any nepharious activity in order to benefit if the process leading to
machine deployment is fundamentally flawed. Remember all 3 parties
involved in this process, namely manufacturer, gaming commission, and
casino are all motivated by the same thing: profit. The casino going
patron has no representative that actively participates in this
process on his behalf. Most machines are probably legit since their
hold is so high anyway that they wouldn't need to be gaffed. But to me
and some other regular MS visitors there clearly are machines that
should be stayed away from.
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From: vp_nbi [mailto:nbi@w…]
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 3:32 PM
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: MS ProgressiveI guess different people have different expectations when it comes to
vp. VP can be a lot of fun, but that doesn't mean one can't be serious
about it. I'm not wealthy enough to fritter away my money with poor
play so I've worked very hard to raise my skill level. Having put in
the effort I get more than just perturbed when the evidence suggests
some games may not be on the up-and-up. I'm not quite sure what lends
itself to humor when you start getting suspicious about being shafted
via gaffed machines. Reasonable people don't make such assertions
frivolously. Maybe the addicts can reasure themselves with "gee, I was
just unlucky again" whereas a knowlegable player in the same
circumstance would say "hmmm, hand frequencies way off for 7 royal
cycles, this is beginning to look fishy". There is humor in vp, but I
don't find any when discussing gaffing.I related one very funny incident regarding the one $.05 JW2 machine
in the casino. One morning I arrived early at MS to play on this
machine. To my consternation a woman was already playing JOB on this
machine even though all the other $.05 JOB machines were available. I
offered her $5 to play on one of the other $.05 JOB which I knew had
exactly the same paytable. "Oh, no, no. This is my lucky machine. Why
do you want to play on it so badly?". I pointed out that this is the
only $.05 JW2 machine in the casino (originally identified by Howard -
good job). She responded incredulously that all the other machines had
joker wild too. I politely explained that they were clearly not the
same as can be seen from their paytables. To which she turned to me
with a dazed look and uttered "Paytables?".
— In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c…>
wrote:
> I have yet to consider a subject that cannot be joked about.
Gambling lends
> itself particularly to humor. I laugh at the inherent silliness of
my own
> pastime frequently.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: vp_nbi [mailto:nbi@w…]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 2:01 PM
> To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: MS Progressive
>
>
>
> *
> Gaffing is no joke.
>
>
>
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