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MS Don & Mike's - the latest

Majestic Star third floor bar 25c progressive (I think there are seven machines) has the following base games: (In descending base ER order)
9-6 jacks, 8-5 TP+, 8-6 BPD, 7-5 A+F, 7-5 BP, 150-75 OEJW (WRF and 5K), 9-5 DDB, 9-6-5 DB and 20-9 DB2s at 97.68% base ER is dead last.
That DB2 game is on 5c Multi-Strikes at the Majestic Star. Full pay DB2 is 25-12 (WRF and SF) and is on 25c, 50c and $1 Multi-Strike as well as the $1 progressive at the bar. Now (I think) only seven $1 games.

Fast Action at Harrah's E. Chicago, the four aces + low have been hit resetting that to $3,750. (About $3920 at 10am today.) The dealt royal was approaching $37k.

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----- Original Message -----
From: vp_nbi
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11/12/2004 4:41:35 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: MS Don & Mike's - the latest

Sometimes I should actually double check a game on Frugal before
yapping about it. :slight_smile:

While TDB is a much more interesting game than either JOB or BDLX it
unfortunately has an ugly side to it. In particular it has a
sprinkling of AA strategy. Correct play often calls for the holding of
3 card flushes which are neither obvious nor intuitive. There are some
other wrinkles as well such as holding a 4 card straight rather than a
pair. Suffice it to say this game doesn't sync well with other games
and as a result would require a fair amount of preparation. When
actually playing the game you would be forced to play much slower to
avoid errors which would also creep in sooner when the eyelids start
getting heavy. So despite it being more "interesting" it cannot be
recommended due to the effort involved and the subsequent impact on
your wallet. Stick with the ubiquitous NSUD which pays better and can
be played at lightning speed due to a strategy which is relatively
easy to master.

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:

Half the bar tops were converted to quarter progressive during the
week. As you might guess the paytables were savaged. The only game
that appears to be full pay is JOB. I didn't have Bonus Deuces listed
on my handy paytable sheet so I don't know what sort of percentage the
reduction translated to. Maybe a Bonus Deuces player like Howard can
confirm. The OEJ version appears to be the 98% variety. Grrr. The
progressive amount as of Thursday evening was around $1068. When it
hits $2k I might bring myself to suffer the tedium of JOB. :slight_smile:

Some of the new 100 multiplays continue to suffer button problems. I
played on one of these where you had to be real careful with the 4th
button, you had to press it hard and verify that the card actually
held. This seems to be some sort of manufacturing defect as opposed to
being a result of the environment. I played exclusively NSUD deuces
which is ultra volatile. At $.05 playing 50 hands I went from $400 up
to $400 down within an hour. I'm not sure why this format seems to be
so much more streakier than the $.25 5-play NSUD downstairs. Another
game I noticed on these machines is TDB (99.58%) which is only
slightly worse than BDLX, but slightly better than JOB. TDB IMHO is
however much more interesting than either JOB or BDLX. It's a pity
they didn't put SDB or TB+ on these machines as they are both superior
to TDB, but I might take a stab at TDB anyway if I get saturated with
NSUD.

Some of the Multi-Strike machines seemed to exhibit static problems.
Cards would sporadically hold or clear on their own without a
corresponding button push. Technicians were summoned to take a look
but I'm not sure they solved the problem. At any rate be careful when
playing these machines.

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--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:

Majestic Star third floor bar 25c progressive (I think there are

seven machines) has the following base games: (In descending base ER
order)

9-6 jacks, 8-5 TP+, 8-6 BPD, 7-5 A+F, 7-5 BP, 150-75 OEJW (WRF and

5K), 9-5 DDB, 9-6-5 DB and 20-9 DB2s at 97.68% base ER is dead last.

Thanks for the confirmation. I knew it was bad, I just didn't know
*how* bad. Really not sure what MS is trying to accomplish with this
deployment. No reasonable person is going to play anything but JOB on
the $.25 progressive and then only when the jackpot is at a reasonable
level. I'm going to have to dig up the formula that indicates when the
jackpot amount boosts JOB from 99.54 to 100%.

That DB2 game is on 5c Multi-Strikes at the Majestic Star. Full pay

DB2 is 25-12 (WRF and SF) and is on 25c, 50c and $1 Multi-Strike as
well as the $1 progressive at the bar. Now (I think) only seven $1 games.

Actually 8. There were 16 total $1 bartops prior to the conversion
which affected half.

I'm beginning to think there's something fishy going on with
Multi-Strike at MS. Despite the fact that I'm playing Multi-Strike
NSUD nearly perfectly (I quiz myself on Frugal regularly) and am
playing a huge number of hands, my results are actually much worse. It
seems that since about the June timeframe Multi-Strike cycles have
become much larger than what theory indicates. I have not hit a Royal
since April, have hit deuces only in cycles 4x expected, and even wild
royals and 5oak are much less frequent than expected. What I'm
experiencing has ceased to be just bad luck and is now well into the
realm of the statistically suspicious. Even more significant is that
this phenomenon doesn't seem to be limited to me, I've only seen 1
jackpot win by someone else since April. Last but not least has anyone
else noticed the sharp drop off in winners announced over the intercom
system? I actually asked if they changed their policy regarding
announcements of winners but supposedly it has not changed. If that is
true then why are there noticeably fewer winners now then in the first
half of the year? Especially when the casino is packed and no seats
are to be found?? I'm going to take a few more stabs at Multi-Strike
but if the cycles start approaching 7x MS management and the gaming
board are going to be meeting with me to provide explanations for what
I've observed over the course of the year.

Fast Action at Harrah's E. Chicago, the four aces + low have been

hit resetting that to $3,750. (About $3920 at 10am today.) The dealt
royal was approaching $37k.

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----- Original Message -----
From: vp_nbi
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 11/12/2004 4:41:35 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: MS Don & Mike's - the latest

Sometimes I should actually double check a game on Frugal before
yapping about it. :slight_smile:

While TDB is a much more interesting game than either JOB or BDLX it
unfortunately has an ugly side to it. In particular it has a
sprinkling of AA strategy. Correct play often calls for the holding of
3 card flushes which are neither obvious nor intuitive. There are some
other wrinkles as well such as holding a 4 card straight rather than a
pair. Suffice it to say this game doesn't sync well with other games
and as a result would require a fair amount of preparation. When
actually playing the game you would be forced to play much slower to
avoid errors which would also creep in sooner when the eyelids start
getting heavy. So despite it being more "interesting" it cannot be
recommended due to the effort involved and the subsequent impact on
your wallet. Stick with the ubiquitous NSUD which pays better and can
be played at lightning speed due to a strategy which is relatively
easy to master.

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:
>
> Half the bar tops were converted to quarter progressive during the
> week. As you might guess the paytables were savaged. The only game
> that appears to be full pay is JOB. I didn't have Bonus Deuces listed
> on my handy paytable sheet so I don't know what sort of percentage the
> reduction translated to. Maybe a Bonus Deuces player like Howard can
> confirm. The OEJ version appears to be the 98% variety. Grrr. The
> progressive amount as of Thursday evening was around $1068. When it
> hits $2k I might bring myself to suffer the tedium of JOB. :slight_smile:
>
> Some of the new 100 multiplays continue to suffer button problems. I
> played on one of these where you had to be real careful with the 4th
> button, you had to press it hard and verify that the card actually
> held. This seems to be some sort of manufacturing defect as opposed to
> being a result of the environment. I played exclusively NSUD deuces
> which is ultra volatile. At $.05 playing 50 hands I went from $400 up
> to $400 down within an hour. I'm not sure why this format seems to be
> so much more streakier than the $.25 5-play NSUD downstairs. Another
> game I noticed on these machines is TDB (99.58%) which is only
> slightly worse than BDLX, but slightly better than JOB. TDB IMHO is
> however much more interesting than either JOB or BDLX. It's a pity
> they didn't put SDB or TB+ on these machines as they are both superior
> to TDB, but I might take a stab at TDB anyway if I get saturated with
> NSUD.
>
> Some of the Multi-Strike machines seemed to exhibit static problems.
> Cards would sporadically hold or clear on their own without a
> corresponding button push. Technicians were summoned to take a look
> but I'm not sure they solved the problem. At any rate be careful when
> playing these machines.

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I think it's something like this: every 100 coins added to the
progressive adds about .5 to the ER. So when the .25 progressive gets
up around $1250, it's positive.

JW

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:
> Majestic Star third floor bar 25c progressive (I think there are
seven machines) has the following base games: (In descending base ER
order)
> 9-6 jacks, 8-5 TP+, 8-6 BPD, 7-5 A+F, 7-5 BP, 150-75 OEJW (WRF and
5K), 9-5 DDB, 9-6-5 DB and 20-9 DB2s at 97.68% base ER is dead last.

Thanks for the confirmation. I knew it was bad, I just didn't know
*how* bad. Really not sure what MS is trying to accomplish with this
deployment. No reasonable person is going to play anything but JOB

on

the $.25 progressive and then only when the jackpot is at a

reasonable

level. I'm going to have to dig up the formula that indicates when

the

jackpot amount boosts JOB from 99.54 to 100%.

> That DB2 game is on 5c Multi-Strikes at the Majestic Star. Full

pay

DB2 is 25-12 (WRF and SF) and is on 25c, 50c and $1 Multi-Strike as
well as the $1 progressive at the bar. Now (I think) only seven $1

games.

Actually 8. There were 16 total $1 bartops prior to the conversion
which affected half.

I'm beginning to think there's something fishy going on with
Multi-Strike at MS. Despite the fact that I'm playing Multi-Strike
NSUD nearly perfectly (I quiz myself on Frugal regularly) and am
playing a huge number of hands, my results are actually much worse.

It

seems that since about the June timeframe Multi-Strike cycles have
become much larger than what theory indicates. I have not hit a

Royal

since April, have hit deuces only in cycles 4x expected, and even

wild

royals and 5oak are much less frequent than expected. What I'm
experiencing has ceased to be just bad luck and is now well into the
realm of the statistically suspicious. Even more significant is that
this phenomenon doesn't seem to be limited to me, I've only seen 1
jackpot win by someone else since April. Last but not least has

anyone

else noticed the sharp drop off in winners announced over the

intercom

system? I actually asked if they changed their policy regarding
announcements of winners but supposedly it has not changed. If that

is

true then why are there noticeably fewer winners now then in the

first

half of the year? Especially when the &#65007;casino&#65007; is packed and no seats
are to be found?? I'm going to take a few more stabs at Multi-Strike
but if the cycles start approaching 7x MS management and the gaming
board are going to be meeting with me to provide explanations for

what

I've observed over the course of the year.

>
> Fast Action at Harrah's E. Chicago, the four aces + low have been
hit resetting that to $3,750. (About $3920 at 10am today.) The dealt
royal was approaching $37k.
>
>
> From: vp_nbi
> To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 11/12/2004 4:41:35 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Re: MS Don & Mike's - the latest
>
>
>
> Sometimes I should actually double check a &#65007;game&#65007; on Frugal before
> yapping about it. :slight_smile:
>
> While TDB is a much more interesting &#65007;game&#65007; than either JOB or BDLX

it

> unfortunately has an ugly side to it. In particular it has a
> sprinkling of AA strategy. Correct play often calls for the

holding of

> 3 card flushes which are neither obvious nor intuitive. There are

some

> other wrinkles as well such as holding a 4 card straight rather

than a

> pair. Suffice it to say this &#65007;game&#65007; doesn't sync well with other &#65007;

game&#65007;s

> and as a result would require a fair amount of preparation. When
> actually playing the &#65007;game&#65007; you would be forced to play much slower

to

> avoid errors which would also creep in sooner when the eyelids

start

> getting heavy. So despite it being more "interesting" it cannot be
> recommended due to the effort involved and the subsequent impact

on

> your wallet. Stick with the ubiquitous NSUD which pays better and

can

> be played at lightning speed due to a strategy which is relatively
> easy to master.
>
> >
> > Half the bar tops were converted to quarter progressive during

the

> > week. As you might guess the paytables were savaged. The only &#65007;

game&#65007;

> > that appears to be full pay is JOB. I didn't have Bonus Deuces

listed

> > on my handy paytable sheet so I don't know what sort of

percentage the

> > reduction translated to. Maybe a Bonus Deuces player like

Howard can

> > confirm. The OEJ version appears to be the 98% variety. Grrr.

The

> > progressive amount as of Thursday evening was around $1068.

When it

> > hits $2k I might bring myself to suffer the tedium of JOB. :slight_smile:
> >
> > Some of the new 100 multiplays continue to suffer button

problems. I

> > played on one of these where you had to be real careful with

the 4th

> > button, you had to press it hard and verify that the card

actually

> > held. This seems to be some sort of manufacturing defect as

opposed to

> > being a result of the environment. I played exclusively NSUD

deuces

> > which is ultra volatile. At $.05 playing 50 hands I went from

$400 up

> > to $400 down within an hour. I'm not sure why this format seems

to be

> > so much more streakier than the $.25 5-play NSUD downstairs.

Another

> > &#65007;game&#65007; I noticed on these machines is TDB (99.58%) which is only
> > slightly worse than BDLX, but slightly better than JOB. TDB

IMHO is

> > however much more interesting than either JOB or BDLX. It's a

pity

> > they didn't put SDB or TB+ on these machines as they are both

superior

> > to TDB, but I might take a stab at TDB anyway if I get

saturated with

> > NSUD.
> >
> > Some of the Multi-Strike machines seemed to exhibit static

problems.

> > Cards would sporadically hold or clear on their own without a
> > corresponding button push. Technicians were summoned to take a

look

> > but I'm not sure they solved the problem. At any rate be

careful when

> > playing these machines.
>
>
>
>
>
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