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Most wanted progressive VP Strategy

#1

I wanted to start out as a new vpFREE member by donating a free Progressive VP strategy. These are very time consuming to make, so I wanted to find out which one the members would like me to do first.

Please chime in and tell me which strat would be the most useful???

Then, after I have created and posted it, you can all make comments about its format and nomenclature to help me improve future strategies. Since there is no program that does "Progressive VP Strategies" in a single step, it takes about a week of careful hand math to produce a proper one, so I can't give them all away for free forever. I'll be happy to prime the pump with a few gratis up front.

Note: The strategy system taught to me in the teams and used by me now, predates all other systems by about 6 years. Though I have great respect for what others Like Bob Dancer, Lenny Frome, Dan Paymar, and Jean Scott, etc...have done independently over the years, I have made no attempt to learn their systems and so will be providing strategies in "Team Format". If you'd all rather have them in the format of your preference, I can ask the appropriate person to convert them once I'm done.

When replying to this post list the strategy you would like, and your preferred nomenclature. I'll create whichever one gets the most votes.

Sincerely,

FK

"Some say, the secret to financial success is thinking 'outside the box.' I say, thinking inside the box is fine, as long as you sell the box after you're done."

~Frank Kneeland, former manager of the largest Vegas slot team and Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives--A History and How-To of Video Poker Slot Teams in Las Vegas. www.progressivevp.com

#2

Until I see what you've got, (and I am definitely interested in that), as a relative newbie it seems to me that would be re-inventing the wheel. For instance, if I wanted to play a quarter 9-6-5 Double Bonus with a $2500 royal, I'd just take Bob Dancer's Beginners Strategy and juggle the lines around to where they rank correctly. There's only 14 lines. Then practice with the software for a few hours. Easy peasy. And if I get ambitious, I'd tweek it, especially if I'm going to be playing it a lot.

Again, I'm speaking from the standpoint of a relative newbie. So, I'm all ears, Frank. I'm looking forward to your participation here, and I'm hoping it may be the most interesting discussion around this neck of the woods in a long time.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@...> wrote:

I wanted to start out as a new vpFREE member by donating a free Progressive VP strategy. These are very time consuming to make, so I wanted to find out which one the members would like me to do first.

Please chime in and tell me which strat would be the most useful???

Then, after I have created and posted it, you can all make comments about its format and nomenclature to help me improve future strategies. Since there is no program that does "Progressive VP Strategies" in a single step, it takes about a week of careful hand math to produce a proper one, so I can't give them all away for free forever. I'll be happy to prime the pump with a few gratis up front.

Note: The strategy system taught to me in the teams and used by me now, predates all other systems by about 6 years. Though I have great respect for what others Like Bob Dancer, Lenny Frome, Dan Paymar, and Jean Scott, etc...have done independently over the years, I have made no attempt to learn their systems and so will be providing strategies in "Team Format". If you'd all rather have them in the format of your preference, I can ask the appropriate person to convert them once I'm done.

#3

Progressive strategies are fundamentally different from non-progressive strategies, because they include what's called "meter-breaks" for the rising meter. I have seen folks print out 15 different strategies for a single progressive and switch every time the meter rose a $100 dollars. This works but it's very sloppy and not as accurate, if a change occurs half way through one of the $100 increments.

In a team style progressive strategies, you have only a single strategy for the lowest point at which you'd play, and a table on the back for the points where individual strategy elements change.

It is more accurate, concise, and usable.

I explain how to make them in the book and provide examples, but the examples are for older less common games.

I was wanting to make a new one for the most common game people play today, but I need input to know what that is. Chime in everyone. You won't be sorry.

~It is said that destiny has three faces, but we see only the one that gazes on our own.

~Frank Kneeland, former manager of the largest Vegas slot team and Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives--A History and How-To of Video Poker Slot Teams in Las Vegas.
www.progressivevp.com

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Frank" <frank@> wrote:
>
> I wanted to start out as a new vpFREE member by donating a free Progressive VP strategy. These are very time consuming to make, so I wanted to find out which one the members would like me to do first.
>
> Please chime in and tell me which strat would be the most useful???
>
> Then, after I have created and posted it, you can all make comments about its format and nomenclature to help me improve future strategies. Since there is no program that does "Progressive VP Strategies" in a single step, it takes about a week of careful hand math to produce a proper one, so I can't give them all away for free forever. I'll be happy to prime the pump with a few gratis up front.
>
> Note: The strategy system taught to me in the teams and used by me now, predates all other systems by about 6 years. Though I have great respect for what others Like Bob Dancer, Lenny Frome, Dan Paymar, and Jean Scott, etc...have done independently over the years, I have made no attempt to learn their systems and so will be providing strategies in "Team Format". If you'd all rather have them in the format of your preference, I can ask the appropriate person to convert them once I'm done.
>

Until I see what you've got, (and I am definitely interested in that), as a relative newbie it seems to me that would be re-inventing the wheel. For instance, if I wanted to play a quarter 9-6-5 Double Bonus with a $2500 royal, I'd just take Bob Dancer's Beginners Strategy and juggle the lines around to where they rank correctly. There's only 14 lines. Then practice with the software for a few hours. Easy peasy. And if I get ambitious, I'd tweek it, especially if I'm going to be playing it a lot.

Again, I'm speaking from the standpoint of a relative newbie. So, I'm all ears, Frank. I'm looking forward to your participation here, and I'm hoping it may be the most interesting discussion around this neck of the woods in a long time.

#4

This past Friday we stopped at the Las Vegas Hilton to cash a sportsbook ticket from the US Open. We entered through the Spacequest Casino entrance and immediately noticed that roughly about 80% of the machines had been removed and replaced by large lounge chairs, similar to the chairs in the sportsbook area. The $1 and $.25 video poker progressives were still there, although in a somewhat different location. In the sportsbook area, the number of machines was also reduced. Whereas, there had been about eight machines in each of the many rows of video poker machines, now there were only five. That day, they appeared to also be making changes to the machines in the main casino area. Does anyone know what they are doing? Getting rid of some machines and replacing many others with lounge chairs doesn't, on the surface, appear to make good business sense, but maybe they weren't being used that much or they have some "master plan" in mind. In the past, it appeared that the "better" video poker machines in the sportsbook area were fairly busy. With fewer machines, it could be even less attractive to stop there. Recognizing that it was about 10:00 Friday morning, the whole place did not seem very busy.

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#5

football season. more room in the sports book if they have less machines. theses will probably come back after super bowl.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bush" <rbush3@...> wrote:

  Does anyone know what they are doing? Getting rid of some machines and replacing many others with lounge chairs doesn't, on the surface, appear to make good business sense, but maybe they weren't being used that much or they have some "master plan" in mind. In the past, it appeared that the "better" video poker machines in the sportsbook area were fairly busy. With fewer machines, it could be even less attractive to stop there. Recognizing that it was about 10:00 Friday morning, the whole place did not seem very busy.

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#6

Perhaps, but it appears unlike by the way they made the changes. The machines removed from the Sportsbook were done in a method to make the aisles by the sub shop wider, not to add more seating area. Many of the removed machines were relocated to the main casino and in many cases with changed paytables.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@...> wrote:

football season. more room in the sports book if they have less machines. theses will probably come back after super bowl.

#7

60 minutes is going to be filming a segment there.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@> wrote:
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> football season. more room in the sports book if they have less machines. theses will probably come back after super bowl.
>

Perhaps, but it appears unlike by the way they made the changes. The machines removed from the Sportsbook were done in a method to make the aisles by the sub shop wider, not to add more seating area. Many of the removed machines were relocated to the main casino and in many cases with changed paytables.