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#1

Harry Porter Wrote:

So, unless I have it on VERY solid authority that Class III gaming in
an Indian casino is NV compliant, I steer clear.

"Brumar" Wrote:

There is no way any of the Class II or III machines are worth playing
in Washington. It's not even possible to determine the EV, which I'm
sure is poor. But I am curious to know more about these machines. For
example, the VP is IMHO deceptive, and the machine Keno as well.

Harry and Brumar are both right--VLTs in Washington State are not based on skill. It's reasonable to assume that people select video poker over slots because they believe that decisions they make on which cards to hold will effect the outcome of the game. "Deceptive" is a good way to describe them.

(Be aware that the minimum payback is 75% and the pay table doesn't even offer a clue as to the return.)

Linda Boyd
Author: "The Video Poker Edge"
www.squareonepublishers.com
Toll Free: 1-877-900-2665
Amazon.com/Bookstores: Stocked or By Order
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#2

Linda Boyd <maggie2194@comcast.net> wrote: Harry and Brumar are both right--VLTs in Washington State are not based on skill. It's reasonable to assume that people select video poker over slots because they believe that decisions they make on which cards to hold will effect the outcome of the game. "Deceptive" is a good way to describe them.

(Be aware that the minimum payback is 75% and the pay table doesn't even offer a clue as to the return.)
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Not only is Northern Quest in Spokane a smoke infested old folks home, now finally someone has attached a number to the crap they offer in their machines. To think, I actually printed a strategy and tried to play there for a while - over $4000 coin in a few years ago. Deceptive is not the right word, fraud comes to mind though!
   
  Jigger
  They told me I was gullible, and I believed them."
   
  "I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure."

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#3

It is VERY unlikely that the returns are much below 90%. Most
jurisdictions require a minimum payback of 75% but in actuality few
or no machines are manufactured with that low a return. I was told by
an official what the average return on a scratch-off based VLT was
and I really don't remember but it was either in the high 80's or low
90's -- comparable to slots everywhere.

You wrote:
Not only is Northern Quest in Spokane a smoke infested old folks
home, now finally someone has attached a number to the crap they
offer in their machines. To think, I actually printed a strategy and
tried to play there for a while - over $4000 coin in a few years
ago. Deceptive is not the right word, fraud comes to mind though!

  Jigger
  They told me I was gullible, and I believed them."

  "I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure."

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#4

I am very confused on this as I was under the impression that
gambling and anything relating to gambling (ie. tv ads, magazines,
etc..) were banned in Washington State. Or is it just some cities in
Washington?

Harry Porter Wrote:

> So, unless I have it on VERY solid authority that Class III

gaming in

> an Indian casino is NV compliant, I steer clear.

"Brumar" Wrote:

>There is no way any of the Class II or III machines are worth

playing

>in Washington. It's not even possible to determine the EV, which

I'm

>sure is poor. But I am curious to know more about these

machines. For

>example, the VP is IMHO deceptive, and the machine Keno as well.

Harry and Brumar are both right--VLTs in Washington State are not

based on skill. It's reasonable to assume that people select video
poker over slots because they believe that decisions they make on
which cards to hold will effect the outcome of the game. "Deceptive"
is a good way to describe them.

(Be aware that the minimum payback is 75% and the pay table doesn't

even offer a clue as to the return.)

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Linda Boyd" <maggie2194@...> wrote:

Linda Boyd
Author: "The Video Poker Edge"
www.squareonepublishers.com
Toll Free: 1-877-900-2665
Amazon.com/Bookstores: Stocked or By Order
Best Tutorial Software: WinPoker
www.videopokerpractice.com

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#5

<<I am very confused on this as I was under the impression that gambling and
anything relating to gambling (ie. tv ads, magazines,
etc..) were banned in Washington State. Or is it just some cities in
Washington?>>

Only online gambling is banned in WA.

Cogno

#6

I don't understand something here.

Don't the casinos have the ability to reprogram the paytable, and
doesn't that affect the payback?

At Caesars, there is a bank of 9/6 JoB machines, and an adjacent bank
of 6/5 machines. Today at Resorts I even saw a 6/4!

If I drop the lower payoffs correspondingly, a 1-1-2-3-4-6-25-50-800
JoB payback is 72.4%.

Or is the VLT a totally different animal? I have no idea as to how
these work.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:

It is VERY unlikely that the returns are much below 90%. Most
jurisdictions require a minimum payback of 75% but in actuality few
or no machines are manufactured with that low a return. I was told by
an official what the average return on a scratch-off based VLT was
and I really don't remember but it was either in the high 80's or low
90's -- comparable to slots everywhere.

#7

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jigger Woodruff <bayfieldkent@...>
wrote:

  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
Not only is Northern Quest in Spokane a smoke infested old folks

home, now finally someone has attached a number to the crap they
offer in their machines. To think, I actually printed a strategy and
tried to play there for a while - over $4000 coin in a few years
ago. Deceptive is not the right word, fraud comes to mind though!

   
  Jigger
  They told me I was gullible, and I believed them."
   
  "I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure."

Yes, it is smoke infested, although there is a "non smoking" area.
As for an "old folks" home, well I guess that's true too, and that
includes me (unfortunately). I go there mainly for the buffet, for
Tuesday's Senior discounts. I have warned many others about the VP
at Quest, but most don't seem to believe or understand my
explanation. I think its deceptive, because there is no explanation
on the VP machines that the pay table is irrelevant, in terms of the
EV calculation. One guy I met had lived in LV, and he thought the
paytables were pretty good, which they are. But it means nothing in
Washington.

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#8

I'm afraid you totally don't understand.

Most VLT's in this country operate exactly like Nevada machines.
There are insignificant differences.

In Washington Native casinos and NY racinos the VP VLT's operate like
scratch-off lottery tickets (with MUCH higher returns).

NO VLT operates like Bingo.

Only Class II Native machines run Bingo and in almost every case
display the underlying Bingo card on the machine. (A very few
jursidictions don't require the display). The return on Class II
machines is similar to those in comparable Class III jurisdictions as
I've said before.

However, if you prefer not to be confused by facts that is your right
and your choice. Only please don't give invalid metaphors and
incorrect "facts".

B

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At 11:54 AM 10/16/2006, you wrote:

If I treat the Video Lottery like Bingo, I perceive this type of
arrangement....

Imagine a Roulette Layout where you can only bet the inside 0, 00, or
1 - 36.

Imagine that you can only bet one number and one unit for that number.

Imagine that the ball is not dropped until every number is covered
with a bet.

Imagine if you win, you get half of the bets. That's what I think of
when I hear Bingo.... Someone always wins, eventually and the
winnings are half of the total bets placed. 19/38.

Now, what if VLT's had to have at least half of the vp screen or
video slot display a bingo card...

The population of numbers are being drawn from the central computer.
When someones card is full (in a line) horizontally or vertically
diagonally or all four corners, he wins; but he does not always win
the top prize or jackpot.

What determines the prize amount when you have filled up your "bingo
card"?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <vphobby2@...> wrote:
>
> It is VERY unlikely that the returns are much below 90%. Most
> jurisdictions require a minimum payback of 75% but in actuality few
> or no machines are manufactured with that low a return. I was told
by
> an official what the average return on a scratch-off based VLT was
> and I really don't remember but it was either in the high 80's or
low
> 90's -- comparable to slots everywhere.
>
> You wrote:
> Not only is Northern Quest in Spokane a smoke infested old folks
> home, now finally someone has attached a number to the crap they
> offer in their machines. To think, I actually printed a strategy
and
> tried to play there for a while - over $4000 coin in a few years
> ago. Deceptive is not the right word, fraud comes to mind though!
> >
> > Jigger

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