I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.
He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.
I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
I am definitely for this, especially if it means an end to all of his
nonsense off-topic posts
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
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I happen to like all of Mickey's posts,
and off-topic is in the eye of the reader.
--- On Fri, 8/17/12, Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012, 8:21 PM
I am definitely for this, especially if it means an end to all of his
nonsense off-topic posts
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
**
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
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The life adventure/struggle/success story is what Mickey's
book is about. The Gambling connection is incidental.
--- On Fri, 8/17/12, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: George <glee4ever@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 17, 2012, 8:20 PM
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.
He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.
I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Tell Mickey to go for it. His story is compelling and everything he writes, sober or not, is very readable!
Bonnie
----- Original Message -----
From: George
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 8:20 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.
He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.
I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Mickey's one contributor on this list I read every time he posts. I think I tried to talk him into a book at one time as well.
Best regards,
Mike
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On 8/17/2012 10:20 PM, George wrote:
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).------------------------------------
vpFREE Links: http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/V/Links.htm
Yahoo! Groups Links
Great idea! Love it. Who cares about the category?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 17, 2012, at 8:20 PM, "George" <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I look forward to any post from Mickey, It is usually the highlite of all the posts on any given day.
Go for the book Mickey, I will be the first in line to buy it.
________________________________
From: Jason Pawloski <jpawloski@gmail.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:21 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
I am definitely for this, especially if it means an end to all of his
nonsense off-topic posts
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
**
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.
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I love Mickeys stories whether they are about gambling or not. I'll bet a lot of people do.
Please go for it Mickey!
Jackie
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "George" <glee4ever@...> wrote:
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
I don't read his stories as some are bahooey and a waste of VP info time.
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I am a reader, not a poster. So when I receive the "digest" of posts I always scan to see if there is anything that interests me to read. I love Mickey's stories! I have even read some to my husband because I thought they were so interesting. If Mickey wrote a book, I would buy it! The people he writes about and his travels are certainly human interest.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "George" <glee4ever@...> wrote:
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
I no longer read his posts, as they do not interest me in the least.
But, what messages I have read were about gambling - not human interest.
That's my vote.
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'll be second in line. Love the stories and just about anything
Mickey posts to the group.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jim Linton <linton714@...> wrote:
I look forward to any post from Mickey, It is usually the highlite of all the posts on�any given day.
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Go for the book Mickey, I will be the first in line to buy it.________________________________
His stories are "OK", but I would be interested in a book about 'current' advantage slots ( not historical or burned out plays ). There
is an AS subculture that keeps real quiet about whats happening and what to look for.
my 2 cents...Tom
----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
I no longer read his posts, as they do not interest me in the least.
But, what messages I have read were about gambling - not human interest.
That's my vote.On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Requests like this always confused me a bit. Advantage players keep quiet
about advantage plays for obvious reasons. Nobody in their right mind would
broadcast a truly significant play to vpFREE or worse, write a book about
it! All that could possibly accomplish is a bunch of people slamming the
promotion/play until management shuts it down (if they didn't read it first
and beat the players to it!). Now the play's dead and people go on waiting
for the next handout while complaining about how tight-lipped the career
gamblers are.
I actually really enjoyed Mickey's detailing of how older slots worked and
how they beat them back in the day. I forgot to send a note personally
saying so, so I'll just say it here on the list. Thanks for sharing that,
Mickey, somebody did actually read them all. 
What's important to take
away from them, aside from their history and the entertainment value of the
anecdotes, is the method employed. These guys study the machines often.
They watch other people play, they figure out how to calculate paybacks (I
seem to recall one where the coin-in meter could be read by carefully
looking at the side of a reel and used to judge payout). It's hard work.
There are a lot of dead ends, gathering of data, and math done back in your
room to figure out if a play's any good or not, or in the case of a
slot/progressive where the break-even point is for you to step in and play.
A lot of useful information pertaining to this method is contained in those
posts, and I would definitely suggest reading them again. But if I'd done
all that work and some random Joe walks up to me or some guy on a mailing
list says hey, so what's the +EV play today, would I tell him? No way!
The real 'secret' of advantage play, such as one can be said to exist, is
that you have to do the work yourself and continue to do it all through
your gambling career. You have to get to know like-minded individuals, earn
trust and contribute, and even then you can't realistically expect someone
who's figured out a major +EV play to just tell his buddies. Some plays are
only going to be big enough for one person to hit.
Anyway, I've rambled enough. On-topic, I'd probably buy the book. I'm a
sucker for anecdotes and history where gambling's concerned.
-Sol
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 3:17 PM, tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
**
His stories are "OK", but I would be interested in a book about 'current'
advantage slots ( not historical or burned out plays ). There
is an AS subculture that keeps real quiet about whats happening and what
to
look for.
my 2 cents...Tom
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The value in learning about historical/burned out plays is
in understanding the process of finding and exploiting them.
This on top of the entertainment value.
Nobody is going to hand you some 105% play on a
platter at the buffet when they're still working it.
Mickey's value to the advantage player is in the spirit
of his overall methodology. I've learned a lot from him.
--- On Sat, 8/18/12, tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
From: tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 3:17 PM
His stories are "OK", but I would be interested in a book about 'current'
advantage slots ( not historical or burned out plays ). There
is an AS subculture that keeps real quiet about whats happening and what to
look for.
my 2 cents...Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
I no longer read his posts, as they do not interest me in the least.
But, what messages I have read were about gambling - not human interest.
That's my vote.On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
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Or as someone once said, "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll feed himself forever"
Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
________________________________
From: Bruce Cohen <brucedcohen2002@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey CrimmThe value in learning about historical/burned out plays is
in understanding the process of finding and exploiting them.This on top of the entertainment value.
Nobody is going to hand you some 105% play on a
platter at the buffet when they're still working it.Mickey's value to the advantage player is in the spirit
of his overall methodology. I've learned a lot from him.From: tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey Crimm
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, August 18, 2012, 3:17 PMHis stories are "OK", but I would be interested in a book about 'current'
advantage slots ( not historical or burned out plays ). There
is an AS subculture that keeps real quiet about whats happening and what to
look for.
my 2 cents...TomFrom: "Luke Fuller" <kungalooosh@gmail.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Mickey CrimmI no longer read his posts, as they do not interest me in the least.
But, what messages I have read were about gambling - not human interest.
That's my vote.Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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--- On Sat, 8/18/12, tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM, George <glee4ever@yahoo.com> wrote:
I've told this story before but this is what can happen to you if you teach even one person a current play. A friend of mine showed up in Laughlin on his case $1000. He begged me to show him a play. I finally relented but told him I wouldn't do it if he was gonna teach anyone else. He swore not to teach anyone.
I handed him the Tom Ski flush 50 strategy and taught him how to sweep the unlinked, 101.8%, flush attacks at the Pioneer which would put him up around 105%. Discounting out the royal and the straight flush he would still have 2.5% the best of it, with the biggest cycle, 4500, being on the 4 Aces. This is a strong shot for a $1000 bankroll. And I told him not to start playing straight though until he at least had a few thousand. That way if he ran cold he would still have enough money to to back to the sweep.
He got through the window. About a month into it I walked in and there was his girlfriend playing. "What's going on there?" I asked. "She told me she was gonna dump me if I didn't teach her" he responded. "Yeah, I know" I said. "That the kind of trap a man can get himself into." So then I had to deal with two added pros.
A couple of weeks later I walk in and there's her mother and brother playing. "You don't even have to tell me" I said to him. They were in every day. I had to start working around them, coming in at off hours and stuff. And the added weight of 4 more pros caused the Pioneer to knock the game down to the 100.9% version.
In my gambling world no good deed goes unpunished.
Human interest is a potentially larger market, but very difficult to get traction in. Writing any book is usually a bad risk/return and should be done because that is what you want to do. I find Mickey's stories entertaining, but a book is a lot of effort unless you are an OCD writer in the first place.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "George" <glee4ever@...> wrote:
I am trying to convince Mickey to write a book about his life
and all the anecdotes he has described.He thinks gambling books are a niche market and wonders
how big the market would be. I am trying to convince him
that his book would be a human interest story and that
gambling is just incidental.I told him I would query list members what they thought.
Vote whether you think it is about gambling or general
human interest (of interest to the public at large).
Or as someone (myself) once said, "Teach a pig to fish, and YOU'LL end up hungry"
Certainly the game is rigged. Don’t let that stop you; if you don’t bet, you can’t win. -Lazarus Long
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. But, in practice, there is. -Yogi Berra
There is no such thing as luck. There is only adequate or inadequate preparation to cope with a statistical universe. -Robert Heinlein
________________________________
From: Mickey <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 7:57 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Mickey CrimmI've told this story before but this is what can happen to you if you teach even one person a current play. A friend of mine showed up in Laughlin on his case $1000. He begged me to show him a play. I finally relented but told him I wouldn't do it if he was gonna teach anyone else. He swore not to teach anyone.
I handed him the Tom Ski flush 50 strategy and taught him how to sweep the unlinked, 101.8%, flush attacks at the Pioneer which would put him up around 105%. Discounting out the royal and the straight flush he would still have 2.5% the best of it, with the biggest cycle, 4500, being on the 4 Aces. This is a strong shot for a $1000 bankroll. And I told him not to start playing straight though until he at least had a few thousand. That way if he ran cold he would still have enough money to to back to the sweep.
He got through the window. About a month into it I walked in and there was his girlfriend playing. "What's going on there?" I asked. "She told me she was gonna dump me if I didn't teach her" he responded. "Yeah, I know" I said. "That the kind of trap a man can get himself into." So then I had to deal with two added pros.
A couple of weeks later I walk in and there's her mother and brother playing. "You don't even have to tell me" I said to him. They were in every day. I had to start working around them, coming in at off hours and stuff. And the added weight of 4 more pros caused the Pioneer to knock the game down to the 100.9% version.
In my gambling world no good deed goes unpunished.
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