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Michigan man charged with evading taxes on casino winnings

I retract my earlier post stating that I hoped the IRS would strike a deal, because we don't want the gamblers who keep the game alive getting discouraged -- I forgot, when I was posting, that he didn't just under-report or non-report income, but falsified his tax ID in an attempt to completely evade taxes.

I agree with those who said that the IRS will not be sympathetic to such a situation. I suspect he will not only receive a substantial tax bill, but a criminal conviction for tax evasion, rarely pursued (according to my friend in the IRS collection division) except in cases of clearly intentional fraud / evasion - as is obviously the case here.

I also agree with those who feel it's not right that the state taxes that don't allow gambling losses to offset gambling winnings - but I'm not too optimistic about any states changing it. Until there is a significant number of taxpayers facing this problem every year, the legislatures can ignore the unfairness / irrationality of the state approach, and just take the money and run.

The good news is, with gambling becoming available in more and more states and with more and more people entering this arena, that the "significant number" might occur at some time in the future.

I wonder if the states with legalized gambling will be more sympathetic to this approach to taxes -- I doubt it; I know in Indiana, the state income tax is immediately withheld (and shown as such on the W2G) by casinos, without an option for the player to say "no, I'll take care of the tax when I file".

--BG

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Iowa takes taxes out at the casino also. I am in Wisconsin and pay taxes on it here also with no deduction for the Iowa tax. I don't gamble in Iowa anymore...double taxes are not a a price I care to pay.

b.glazer@att.net wrote: I retract my earlier post stating that I hoped the IRS would strike a deal, because we don't want the gamblers who keep the game alive getting discouraged -- I forgot, when I was posting, that he didn't just under-report or non-report income, but falsified his tax ID in an attempt to completely evade taxes.

I agree with those who said that the IRS will not be sympathetic to such a situation. I suspect he will not only receive a substantial tax bill, but a criminal conviction for tax evasion, rarely pursued (according to my friend in the IRS collection division) except in cases of clearly intentional fraud / evasion - as is obviously the case here.

I also agree with those who feel it's not right that the state taxes that don't allow gambling losses to offset gambling winnings - but I'm not too optimistic about any states changing it. Until there is a significant number of taxpayers facing this problem every year, the legislatures can ignore the unfairness / irrationality of the state approach, and just take the money and run.

The good news is, with gambling becoming available in more and more states and with more and more people entering this arena, that the "significant number" might occur at some time in the future.

I wonder if the states with legalized gambling will be more sympathetic to this approach to taxes -- I doubt it; I know in Indiana, the state income tax is immediately withheld (and shown as such on the W2G) by casinos, without an option for the player to say "no, I'll take care of the tax when I file".

--BG

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<<Iowa takes taxes out at the casino also. I am in Wisconsin and pay taxes on it here also with no deduction for the Iowa tax. I don't gamble in Iowa anymore...double taxes are not a a price I care to pay.>>

Is there no place on your Wisconsin return to put taxes paid to other states and they will be a credit taken off your Wisconsin taxes?

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Not for gambling as they don't take any deductions after the money is won. They want the full tax for the win. We have some of the highest taxes here, State, City and County. We aren't house poor here but tax poor!

queenofcomps <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote: <<Iowa takes taxes out at the casino also. I am in Wisconsin and pay taxes
on it here also with no deduction for the Iowa tax. I don't gamble in Iowa
anymore...double taxes are not a a price I care to pay.>>

Is there no place on your Wisconsin return to put taxes paid to other states
and they will be a credit taken off your Wisconsin taxes?

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The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
  SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
  products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.
  
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<<Not for gambling as they don't take any deductions after the money is won. They want the full tax for the win.>>

I don't mean that you get any deduction for your gambling losses - in Wisconsin, you don't. But there is usually another place on state returns where you put state taxes paid to other states, i.e., if you work and get wages out of state. If this is true in Wisconsin, you should be able to put taxes you paid to Iowa on that line and that amount would be a credit you could subtract from your Wisconsin taxes. However, I am not specifically acquainted with the Iowa state tax return.

Alternatively, to avoid double state taxation, you could file a non-resident Iowa state tax return to see if you can get refunded some or all of the amount withheld.

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Jean $�ott
The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.

To add to my previous post:

I looked at a Wisconsin state tax return and found that you can use Schedule OS for "Credit for Net Tax Paid to Another State." You need to check with a professional and/or look up detailed information about this form, but it looks like you could get a full credit for taxes that were withheld from Iowa gambling jackpots.

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Jean $�ott
The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.

Thanks Jean. I will tell hubby to look for that:)

queenofcomps <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote: To add to my previous post:

I looked at a Wisconsin state tax return and found that you can use Schedule
OS for "Credit for Net Tax Paid to Another State." You need to check with a
professional and/or look up detailed information about this form, but it
looks like you could get a full credit for taxes that were withheld from
Iowa gambling jackpots.

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________________________________________
Jean $¢ott
The new " FRUGAL VIDEO POKER
  SCOUTING GUIDE" and other frugal
  products are available at my Web site,
http://queenofcomps.com/.
  
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