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Medicare shocker coming 2016

“hold harmless provision” of Medicare says that if cola payments do not go up for social security (like 2016), the Medicare rates cannot be increased for most medicare people. How are they going to pay for this. The provision says that the cost to cover all the base line medicare people will be paid for by the people on medicare that fall into the higher income categories.
How much are we talking? How about over $1,000 per month for the over $214,000 income category. Some would say if you had over $214,000 in income you should be able to pony up $12,000 a year to help those who can not afford it. Well, we leave the political discussion out of this now.
What is particularly onerous is that because medicare uses line 37 on the 1040, this means they include gambling winnings prior to the offset from schedule A which gets subtracted after line 37. If you have $50,000 in income from SS and a pension, w-2g’s for $200,000, you have a line 37 income of $250,000. This is your medicare income basis. If on schedule A you have $200,000 in loses, your net income you pay taxes on is $50,000.
If I am right, someone with a $50,000 income will be paying over $12,000 for medicare, which will come directly out of their SS check.
This will be a shock and a disaster for many.

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Something in the water here in Marietta I should know about??

Tom, rather than post details of some spam email, why not look for an intelligent discussion on the subject (such as: Medicare hold harmless clause and COLA - Medicare.net https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/

https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/

Medicare hold harmless clause and COLA - Medicar... https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/ In 2016, the COLA is expected to be zero (see chart below). This won’t impact the majority of Medicare beneficiaries who fall under the hold harmless rule.

View on medicare.net https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/
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This website suggests that Part B premiums for the highest income group (currently $335.70) would increase next year to $509.80/mo.

I'm not saying that a near 50% increase ($174/mo) is easy to stomach, but it's unlikely to generate the concern of the $1000 monthly increase you cite.

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“hold harmless provision” of Medicare says that if cola payments do not go up for social security (like 2016), the Medicare rates cannot be increased for most medicare people. How are they going to pay for this. The provision says that the cost to cover all the base line medicare people will be paid for by the people on medicare that fall into the higher income categories.
How much are we talking? How about over $1,000 per month for the over $214,000 income category.

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I found this information trying to search for the actual rates for 2016. The validity of this, or anything on the web is suspect, but it was an article not someone selling something.
I will further investigate using your links. We shall see.

Thanks

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Subject: [vpFREE] OT: Re: Medicare shocker coming 2016

Something in the water here in Marietta I should know about??

Tom, rather than post details of some spam email, why not look for an intelligent discussion on the subject (such as: Medicare hold harmless clause and COLA - Medicare.net https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/

https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/

Medicare hold harmless clause and COLA - Medicar... https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/ In 2016, the COLA is expected to be zero (see chart below). This won’t impact the majority of Medicare beneficiaries who fall under the hold harmless rule.

View on medicare.net https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/
Preview by Yahoo

This website suggests that Part B premiums for the highest income group (currently $335.70) would increase next year to $509.80/mo.

I'm not saying that a near 50% increase ($174/mo) is easy to stomach, but it's unlikely to generate the concern of the $1000 monthly increase you cite.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, mariettatom wrote :

“hold harmless provision” of Medicare says that if cola payments do not go up for social security (like 2016), the Medicare rates cannot be increased for most medicare people. How are they going to pay for this. The provision says that the cost to cover all the base line medicare people will be paid for by the people on medicare that fall into the higher income categories.
How much are we talking? How about over $1,000 per month for the over $214,000 income category.

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medicare.net is not the government website.
google medicare costs 2016
there is one article from the new york times and one from the wall street journal that sets the stage.

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From: mailto:vpF…@…com
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2015 12:25 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] OT: Re: Medicare shocker coming 2016

Something in the water here in Marietta I should know about??

Tom, rather than post details of some spam email, why not look for an intelligent discussion on the subject (such as: Medicare hold harmless clause and COLA - Medicare.net https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/

https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/

Medicare hold harmless clause and COLA - Medicar... https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/ In 2016, the COLA is expected to be zero (see chart below). This won’t impact the majority of Medicare beneficiaries who fall under the hold harmless rule.

View on medicare.net https://medicare.net/medicare-hold-harmless-clause-and-cola/
Preview by Yahoo

This website suggests that Part B premiums for the highest income group (currently $335.70) would increase next year to $509.80/mo.

I'm not saying that a near 50% increase ($174/mo) is easy to stomach, but it's unlikely to generate the concern of the $1000 monthly increase you cite.

---In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, mariettatom wrote :

“hold harmless provision” of Medicare says that if cola payments do not go up for social security (like 2016), the Medicare rates cannot be increased for most medicare people. How are they going to pay for this. The provision says that the cost to cover all the base line medicare people will be paid for by the people on medicare that fall into the higher income categories.
How much are we talking? How about over $1,000 per month for the over $214,000 income category.

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