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Maximizing trip averages

#1

So that you know where I'm coming from, I'll state this up front:

I DON'T LIKE TRIP AVERAGE SYSTEMS

With one of the major chains in northern NV, I played the game up front by
coming in & staying the 2/3 nights depending on the invitations. This was a
system which had a 6-trip average. Two of the trips were in support hosts other
than my own. Due to poor weather, I didn't arrive on time & could not get in
enough play to maintain my normal daily average. Those 2 trips were 20% less than
my usual. The result was a lowering of my tier & benefits.

I'm not naming the chain because this is a problem with all of the
trip-average systems.

Anyway, what should be done when you realize you don't have enough time to
reach your daily average without a lot of risk is to cut your stay to one day &
play your normal average during that day. As for the other days, stay at a
non-trip-average property or pay for a stay some where else.

If you want to maximize trip average & minimize risk, then restrict all stays
to one day.

For example, using the 6-trip-average system, you need to maintain an average
of 30K/day. Compare:

6-Trip Average System

           1 day 2 days 3 days
Action 180K 360K 540K

As far as the computer is concerned the trip average is the same in all 3
cases. In general, most casinos with trip-average systems don't have the best
games, your risk is normally higher. So what number do you want to put at risk?
180K, 360K, or 540K?

Naturally, I'm very bitter about what happened to me as I have been a
long-time customer & provided them a high level of play from day one so I thought
they would cut me some slack. However, when things change, you need to adjust.

It's ironic, this chain is going to get roughly 1/3 of my past action & other
casinos will get the other 2/3. Yet I'll get the invitations, bouncebacks,
etc. that I had before. But now I'm established at 3 other properties that had
seen little of me before.

(Maybe I should be thankful instead of bitter. For years, I was blindly loyal
to one casino. But this same casino has helped me to expand my horizons.)

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#2

I think I've had problems with this in the past. I drive in, so I usually get to Vegas late at night, and want to just play $20 before I go to bed for the night. I play at good levels for a few days, then I leave in the morning, but I always want to play another $20. But I have a feeling this is dropping my average a lot, since they'll include that first and last day as full days. I'd imagine it depends on what the casino considers a day? If so, maybe this would be good info for the database?

Would it be better for me to not get the few points on the first and last day and just play without my card (except I can't do that at MSS because of the scratch cards). What's more important, total points, or points per day?

Mieko

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At 12:56 AM 7/17/2003, you wrote:

Anyway, what should be done when you realize you don't have enough time to
reach your daily average without a lot of risk is to cut your stay to one day &
play your normal average during that day. As for the other days, stay at a
non-trip-average property or pay for a stay some where else.

#3

Many Casinos are points per day average.
I personally will never do short play at one of my core casinos. It is not worth the risk.
Remember the casino can change their system on a moments notice and then you are stuck.
I don't believe that the additional points earned in a half hours play warrants the risk.
If you have a Spouse or partner or whatever we call them these days, have them set up their own account and use that one for short play days.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Mieko Sunbury
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 11:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Maximizing trip averages

  At 12:56 AM 7/17/2003, you wrote:
  >Anyway, what should be done when you realize you don't have enough time to
  >reach your daily average without a lot of risk is to cut your stay to one
  >day &
  >play your normal average during that day. As for the other days, stay at a
  >non-trip-average property or pay for a stay some where else.

  I think I've had problems with this in the past. I drive in, so I usually
  get to Vegas late at night, and want to just play $20 before I go to bed
  for the night. I play at good levels for a few days, then I leave in the
  morning, but I always want to play another $20. But I have a feeling this
  is dropping my average a lot, since they'll include that first and last day
  as full days. I'd imagine it depends on what the casino considers a day? If
  so, maybe this would be good info for the database?

  Would it be better for me to not get the few points on the first and last
  day and just play without my card (except I can't do that at MSS because of
  the scratch cards). What's more important, total points, or points per day?

  Mieko

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#4

>Anyway, what should be done when you realize you don't have enough

time to

>reach your daily average without a lot of risk is to cut your stay

to one

>day &....

I'd imagine it depends on what the casino considers a day? If

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mieko Sunbury <miekom@q...> wrote:

At 12:56 AM 7/17/2003, you wrote:
so, maybe this would be good info for the database?

Mieko

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Our VPfree administrator has already included a spot for every casino
in the DB on what constitutes a "day", we as contributers have not
filled in all the blanks.

The "odd balls" that I have contributed are GN (Laughlin) at 7am,
starts a day, and Ramada Express at 4am. Let's all quiz the next
slot club boothling we see to fill in the blanks. This is important
information, IMHO.

BS

#5

very much so !!!
I spent a couple months getting killed by MSS's new clock time. It went from
12-12 to 4-4.

YIKES !!

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-----Original Message-----
  From: bluestreak86001 [mailto:graytleeg…@…com]
  Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 6:23 PM
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Maximizing trip averages Now: What day is it?

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mieko Sunbury <miekom@q...> wrote:
  > At 12:56 AM 7/17/2003, you wrote:
  > >Anyway, what should be done when you realize you don't have enough
  time to
  > >reach your daily average without a lot of risk is to cut your stay
  to one
  > >day &....

  I'd imagine it depends on what the casino considers a day? If
  > so, maybe this would be good info for the database?
  >

  > Mieko

  ****************

  Our VPfree administrator has already included a spot for every casino
  in the DB on what constitutes a "day", we as contributers have not
  filled in all the blanks.

  The "odd balls" that I have contributed are GN (Laughlin) at 7am,
  starts a day, and Ramada Express at 4am. Let's all quiz the next
  slot club boothling we see to fill in the blanks. This is important
  information, IMHO.

  BS

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#6

At casinos which base your "worth" on your daily average, you should
never risk any short day play unless you are a very low roller and
such play wouldn't have much, if any, impact on your daily average.

At MSS, which you mention, average per day is a crucially important
factor in your rating. You do yourself enormous harm by playing a
twenty when you first arrive and another just before you leave. Let's
presume that you're there on a four day stay, arriving late one day
and leaving early morn on your departure day. Suppose you give them
8K on the two full days of your visit but only a twenty on arrival and
departure days. Suddenly, a play level that'll put you at the Gold
Card level (8K per day) becomes sosmething far different (2K per day).
And you'd do this for a scratch card opportunity? C'mon!!

Either play without your card inserted or don't play there. If you
just must play those twenties, walk to the next door casino. Of
course, if you're married (or in a relationship of some meaningful
sort), you can use the old trick of both getting a card and reserving
one of them for short day play.

BTW, the MSS gambling day ends/begins at 4 am.

Pete

>Anyway, what should be done when you realize you don't have enough

time to

>reach your daily average without a lot of risk is to cut your stay

to one

>day &
>play your normal average during that day. As for the other days,

stay at a

>non-trip-average property or pay for a stay some where else.

I think I've had problems with this in the past. I drive in, so I

usually

get to Vegas late at night, and want to just play $20 before I go to

bed

for the night. I play at good levels for a few days, then I leave in

the

morning, but I always want to play another $20. But I have a feeling

this

is dropping my average a lot, since they'll include that first and

last day

as full days. I'd imagine it depends on what the casino considers a

day? If

so, maybe this would be good info for the database?

Would it be better for me to not get the few points on the first and

last

day and just play without my card (except I can't do that at MSS

because of

the scratch cards). What's more important, total points, or points

per day?

···

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Mieko Sunbury <miekom@q...> wrote:

At 12:56 AM 7/17/2003, you wrote:

Mieko