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Math help: Wynn NSUD 11/15 and JOB 6/9/90

#1

Next week I'll be in Vegas, spending one night at Barbary Coast,
then 2 at Caesars. On my itinerary will be some time on the
enhanced Wynn machines (NSUD 11/15 and JOB 6/9/90). I've never
signed up for their slot club, so I figure I'll play
around 3 or 4 hours of dollar play, & at least generate free
buffets & some future offers.

Perhaps some of the math experts can help me with this. I know
there's been some discussion of strategy changes for these
games vs traditional NSUD & JOB. Since I'm so habituated
to normal NSUD & JOB, I'm happiest to play the same
strategy at Wynn if it doesn't make too much difference. So...

(1) Playing $1 VP, will using regular strategies cost me more than,
say, 25 or 50 cents an hour in expectation vs perfect strategy?
Philosophical issue regarding correct play don't enter into this,
since this is a <1-day shot, & I don't at all mind just a
couple $s theo loss for the sake of simplicity.

(2) If using the regular strategy IS more costly than that, are
there one or two simple strategy changes that would bring me close
enough to perfect?

I will be traveling with a friend who's less familiar with VP
than I, & I'll be helping him along the way. So this in
particular is a situation where simplicity has a
virtue, & I'm clear that making the strategy easier for
my friend is worth a minimal loss of EV.

Big thanks if anyone can help.

Stuart (RandomStu)
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm

#2

Stuart (RandomStu) wrote:

Next week I'll be in Vegas, spending one night at Barbary Coast,
then 2 at Caesars. On my itinerary will be some time on the
enhanced Wynn machines (NSUD 11/15 and JOB 6/9/90). I've never
signed up for their slot club, so I figure I'll play
around 3 or 4 hours of dollar play, & at least generate free
buffets & some future offers.

Perhaps some of the math experts can help me with this. I know
there's been some discussion of strategy changes for these
games vs traditional NSUD & JOB. Since I'm so habituated
to normal NSUD & JOB, I'm happiest to play the same
strategy at Wynn if it doesn't make too much difference. So...

(1) Playing $1 VP, will using regular strategies cost me more than,
say, 25 or 50 cents an hour in expectation vs perfect strategy?
Philosophical issue regarding correct play don't enter into this,
since this is a <1-day shot, & I don't at all mind just a
couple $s theo loss for the sake of simplicity.

Using NSUD strategy on the 11/15 machines will cost .0257%. At 800
hands per hour, that's $1.03 per hour.

Using regular jacks or better strategy on the 6/9/90 game will cost
even less, about 60ยข per hour.

#3

Stuart (RandomStu) wrote:

Next week I'll be in Vegas, spending one night at Barbary Coast,
then 2 at Caesars. On my itinerary will be some time on the
enhanced Wynn machines (NSUD 11/15 and JOB 6/9/90). I've never
signed up for their slot club, so I figure I'll play
around 3 or 4 hours of dollar play, & at least generate free
buffets & some future offers.

Perhaps some of the math experts can help me with this. I know
there's been some discussion of strategy changes for these
games vs traditional NSUD & JOB. Since I'm so habituated
to normal NSUD & JOB, I'm happiest to play the same
strategy at Wynn if it doesn't make too much difference. So...

(1) Playing $1 VP, will using regular strategies cost me more than,
say, 25 or 50 cents an hour in expectation vs perfect strategy?
Philosophical issue regarding correct play don't enter into this,
since this is a <1-day shot, & I don't at all mind just a
couple $s theo loss for the sake of simplicity.

(2) If using the regular strategy IS more costly than that, are
there one or two simple strategy changes that would bring me close
enough to perfect?

For Deuces Wild, keeping 2 to a straight flush with 2 gaps, such as
74, including 64, 53, and 43, but not 63, and 2 deuces over 2 deuces
will make up most of the difference. Keeping 3 to a straight flush
with 2 gaps, including 653 and 643, with 1 deuce over a straight will
help a little, too.

For Jacks or Better, keeping 4 to a straight flush, open end, over a
straight will eliminate 1/3 of the loss. Keeping 3 to a straight
flush, open end, not including 432, over 4 to a straight, open end,
will make up much of the rest.