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Malignant Narcissism

Are you referring to that "friendly email" from the admin? Sorry to
disappoint you but that kind of retaliatory BS only makes the
administrator look foolish. I took great joy in pointing out his

lack of ethics in an obvious attempt to quiet me. However, I do
appreciate you bringing this subject up again so I can continue to
comment on it.

I don't read much of the content--just the paddling you've received.
I already know you'll take a thousand words to scramble thru trying
to save face when you get caught--we've seen it many times over here
already.

Going around is easy. Create another email id is all it takes. I

hope you don't think that is difficult.

Nope, not so easy. LVA doesn't just block e-mail addresses & ISP's---
they block blocks of similar ISP's.

In most respects I am against heavy handed moderation as well.
However, you are your own worst enemy by the overall negative

nature of the vast majority of your posts.

My straightforwardness has several specific purposes that transcend
being able to always post, and being barred has no real meaning to me
because I have other methods of getting my message out to hundreds of
thousands of readers.

Take vp.com for example, the

moderator gave you THREE chances. If you would lighten up a little
you wouldn't have a problem and you'd probably enjoy it more as

well.

All that means is I operate with a high level of persistence, and
that's a big positive in every aspect of my life.

> You try to help people but you tell unmitigated lies about me all
the time whenever my name surfaces, and perhaps that's part of the
> problem.

Name one.

Sure, here's only a few. I've never asked for or taken one penny from
the hundreds of players I've met with, trained, or played a session
with/for, and this story of my "con" only makes you look foolish. I
continually refuse to accept payment from Gaming Today even though
I'm their most popular columnist. Several times you've claimed I get
paid. I have won EXACTLY as I say I do in writings and on my site.
You claim I lie about that on all forums. I worked for the Gov't. for
10 years stationed in the ME/Caucasia for over 7 of those after
college, and I've lived in Asia, Europe and S. America while having
travelled just about everywhere on earth many times over. I can prove
all of it and offered to bet you on it, but you backed out--instead
feeling safer just saying I lied about my work history and leave it
at that. Are you starting to remember yet? You also lie about how my
many winning sessions will be "wiped out" by the few large losing
ones, and that's just not true. For some reason you choose to ignore
the more frequent & much larger big winners. At the same time you
encourage others to take the same stupid positions as you so the
relatively very few who love to hate to love me because I've had
decent success in just about everything I've tackled in life, can
play follow the leader. But the one thing you people never planned on
was that I came into this prepared, and because I have more - and
sometimes much more - intelligence than anyone I've come up against
in the vp world, my star will always shine and I'll win every
argument and successfully knock down every dumb assertion thrown out
by you and others.

See, you can't go a single sentence without lying.

And there's another lie.

You are helping no

one by telling them to play on negative expectation machines with a
mathematically neutral progression. If you simply stated a
progression changes the dynamics of playing VP then no one would
argue with you. Winning more sessions is probably enough to satisfy
some gamblers. It's when you claim it is the ONLY way to win that
gets you in a lot of trouble.

The thing that irks you and the Fromms and the Paymars, etc. of the
world is that I first tell players they will not win playing long-
term strategy without extreme good luck. It's more than obvious that
the more one plays the more one loses...usually. I've never said my
way is the ONLY way to win--I've always stated what I did above about
optimal play requiring an extraordinary amount of good luck. That's
my position because that's my experience for years, and that's also
the experience of more than 90% of those I train.

I thought you were a good capitalist. I have never had a problem

with Bob selling product. It's the American way. I do have a problem
when he demeans others or criticizes other products unnecessarily.

You should be impressed with his competitive spirit in demeaning
other's products. I have nothing to do with being a capitalist and I
don't advertise anything. My site sells 2 books to anyone who wants
to buy them, and I don't keep a penny for myself while I foot the
bill for the envelopes, postage and labels. My interest is ONLY
getting the true word out to the playing public and helping those who
want help in any way I can.

> The same with Jean Scott. Everyone knows she
> wants their money and that's the ONLY important thing to her. But
> because of her marketing skills she's managed to have a decent
sized
> base of players believing in her $3 bill show, and her subjects

are

> more than happy to look the other way so as not to embarrass her.

Once again I have no problem with Jean making a buck. The FACT is

she has helped thousands of players understand casino comps, etc.

I obviously believe differently. If you're a good successful player
then just play and forget about pimping products and services. All
she and the others do by working and selling is make it clear they
don't win anything. I'd be willing to bet they can't wait for the
monthly royalty, pay and other checks to arrive so they can run out
and feed the machines at the higher limits.

> It's more like he NEEDS to balance it all out. Sales and
appearances depend on it. And you still believe he makes money

playing?

I have no idea what "plays" Bob is involved in and whether he has
been successful. However, I know from my own experience that

winning

is a natural effect of playing with an advantage. Given Bob's

obvious

knowledge inherent in his writings, the logical conclusion would be
he wins overall when CB, BB and cash-valued comps are considered.

And OF COURSE that's his game! With his knowledge and skillful
presentation, he's very capable of making people think he's
successful @ vp so thay'll buy his products and hire him for his
services!! There's nothing you've said that's more mathematically
correct than that formula right there. Remember, he's a professional
consultant first and foremost.

Once again you only criticize those who have profited outside of

the

playing opportunities. GWB would not be happy. The only question
should be whether they are ethical in their businesses. If not,

then

you have a right to complain, but only complain about those ethics
problems, not that they are living the American dream.

Many times in my column I've written that I cannot criticize any path
chosen by anyone to legally make a living. The fact that the gurus
safely follow the math books is their ethics cover. After that's laid
out, they can manipulate what they do into a very exaggerrated
perceived outcome to the normal reader and get away with it---thereby
giving false value to all that they do and sell. That's why I'm here,
and that's why I've been supported and published by the most
respected names in gaming for going on 8 years now. To me, THAT's the
math that adds up, and that's the common sense that most players want
to hear.

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Nope, not so easy. LVA doesn't just block e-mail addresses & ISP's--

-

they block blocks of similar ISP's.

ISPs? OK, that makes no sense.

> In most respects I am against heavy handed moderation as well.
> However, you are your own worst enemy by the overall negative
nature of the vast majority of your posts.

My straightforwardness has several specific purposes that transcend
being able to always post, and being barred has no real meaning to

me

because I have other methods of getting my message out to hundreds

of

thousands of readers.

Of course you do.

Take vp.com for example, the
> moderator gave you THREE chances. If you would lighten up a

little

> you wouldn't have a problem and you'd probably enjoy it more as
well.

All that means is I operate with a high level of persistence, and
that's a big positive in every aspect of my life.

It also means you can no longer post your lies on vp.com, which is a
really big positive in the lives of all the members.

> > You try to help people but you tell unmitigated lies about me

all

> the time whenever my name surfaces, and perhaps that's part of

the

> > problem.
>
> Name one.

Sure, here's only a few. I've never asked for or taken one penny

from

the hundreds of players I've met with, trained, or played a session
with/for, and this story of my "con" only makes you look foolish.

Now, where would we find a con man who'd admit it. Hmmmmm.

I
continually refuse to accept payment from Gaming Today even though
I'm their most popular columnist. Several times you've claimed I

get

paid.

I've never claimed any such thing. In fact, I've commented that not
getting paid is probably the ONLY reason they publish your lies.

I have won EXACTLY as I say I do in writings and on my site.
You claim I lie about that on all forums.

Of course you have. Besides I don't say you lie, I only point out the
odds against such a claim.

I worked for the Gov't. for
10 years stationed in the ME/Caucasia for over 7 of those after
college, and I've lived in Asia, Europe and S. America while having
travelled just about everywhere on earth many times over. I can

prove

all of it and offered to bet you on it, but you backed out--instead
feeling safer just saying I lied about my work history and leave it
at that.

Again, I never said you lied. I only asked you to prove it which you
have yet to do. Anyone who hides behind a bet rather than openly
provide support for their claims is creating the doubt themselves.

Are you starting to remember yet? You also lie about how my
many winning sessions will be "wiped out" by the few large losing
ones, and that's just not true.

Not only is it true, it is mathematically easy to see and comprehend
by anyone who looks at progressions. Since I simulated your
progression I know the odds of anyone getting the results you claim.
It is 3 in 10,0000. I said more than once that I don't care if you'd
won or not. That is not the point. The point is anyone else trying
your system is highly unlikely to win anything near what you claim
and even more unlikely (7 in 10,000) to lose the amount you claim to
have won.

For some reason you choose to ignore
the more frequent & much larger big winners. At the same time you
encourage others to take the same stupid positions as you so the
relatively very few who love to hate to love me because I've had
decent success in just about everything I've tackled in life, can
play follow the leader. But the one thing you people never planned

on

was that I came into this prepared, and because I have more - and
sometimes much more - intelligence than anyone I've come up against
in the vp world, my star will always shine and I'll win every
argument and successfully knock down every dumb assertion thrown

out

by you and others.

And, throw in these idiotic rantings and you can see why you get
banned from so many boards.

It's like the 3 mathematicians you claim verifed your system. No
proof. Of course, once we see lie after lie (or, unverified claim
after unverified claim) from you we begin to doubt your other claims.
That is human nature and it will continue until you back up some of
your claims with proof.

You are helping no
> one by telling them to play on negative expectation machines with

a

> mathematically neutral progression. If you simply stated a
> progression changes the dynamics of playing VP then no one would
> argue with you. Winning more sessions is probably enough to

satisfy

> some gamblers. It's when you claim it is the ONLY way to win that
> gets you in a lot of trouble.

The thing that irks you and the Fromms and the Paymars, etc. of the
world is that I first tell players they will not win playing long-
term strategy without extreme good luck.

See, there's a lie. There are just too many people out there doing
exactly that for luck to play any part of it. My wife doesn't even
play close to perfect strategy (just reasonably good) and she still
wins because she is playing with a big edge.

It's more than obvious that
the more one plays the more one loses...usually.

No, it is not obvious at all. What IS obvious is the mathematics
demonstrate a person WILL win if they play with an edge. The more
they play AND/OR the bigger edge they play with will lead to MORE
winnings. This is not rocket science. It is simple application of
basic mathematics.

I've never said my
way is the ONLY way to win--I've always stated what I did above

about

optimal play requiring an extraordinary amount of good luck. That's
my position because that's my experience for years, and that's also
the experience of more than 90% of those I train.

Statements like the one above get you in trouble. Even if your own
claims are valid, it means nothing to what others will experience.
The only thing that matters is the degree of edge a player finds. The
math is simply the math. It has nothing to gain or lose. I don't
doubt people you con (er, train) have lost in the past. Clearly, they
are not aware of the mathematics or they would never ask for your
help.

> I thought you were a good capitalist. I have never had a problem
with Bob selling product. It's the American way. I do have a

problem

when he demeans others or criticizes other products unnecessarily.

You should be impressed with his competitive spirit in demeaning
other's products. I have nothing to do with being a capitalist and

I

don't advertise anything. My site sells 2 books to anyone who wants
to buy them, and I don't keep a penny for myself while I foot the
bill for the envelopes, postage and labels. My interest is ONLY
getting the true word out to the playing public and helping those

who

want help in any way I can.

Of course it is. How do expect anyone to believe this when you are
advocating a losing technique? Anyone you claim to help is being
shown how to lose more money. I can't see how that is helping them in
the least. Tell you what, put a forum on your website and let's see
what people have to say.

> > The same with Jean Scott. Everyone knows she
> > wants their money and that's the ONLY important thing to her.

But

> > because of her marketing skills she's managed to have a decent
> sized
> > base of players believing in her $3 bill show, and her subjects
are
> > more than happy to look the other way so as not to embarrass

her.

>
> Once again I have no problem with Jean making a buck. The FACT is
she has helped thousands of players understand casino comps, etc.

I obviously believe differently. If you're a good successful player
then just play and forget about pimping products and services. All
she and the others do by working and selling is make it clear they
don't win anything. I'd be willing to bet they can't wait for the
monthly royalty, pay and other checks to arrive so they can run out
and feed the machines at the higher limits.

This smacks of jealousy since you have no idea whether your statement
is true or not. Whether you realize it or not, making these kind of
claims makes YOU look poorly.

> > It's more like he NEEDS to balance it all out. Sales and
> appearances depend on it. And you still believe he makes money
playing?
>
> I have no idea what "plays" Bob is involved in and whether he has
> been successful. However, I know from my own experience that
winning
> is a natural effect of playing with an advantage. Given Bob's
obvious
> knowledge inherent in his writings, the logical conclusion would

be

> he wins overall when CB, BB and cash-valued comps are considered.

And OF COURSE that's his game! With his knowledge and skillful
presentation, he's very capable of making people think he's
successful @ vp so thay'll buy his products and hire him for his
services!! There's nothing you've said that's more mathematically
correct than that formula right there. Remember, he's a

professional

consultant first and foremost.

So, what's the problem? He has a skill and he markets it. Sounds like
good old American capitalism to me.

> Once again you only criticize those who have profited outside of
the
> playing opportunities. GWB would not be happy. The only question
> should be whether they are ethical in their businesses. If not,
then
> you have a right to complain, but only complain about those

ethics

> problems, not that they are living the American dream.

Many times in my column I've written that I cannot criticize any

path

chosen by anyone to legally make a living. The fact that the gurus
safely follow the math books is their ethics cover.

It's also an honest approach.

After that's laid
out, they can manipulate what they do into a very exaggerrated
perceived outcome to the normal reader and get away with it---

thereby

giving false value to all that they do and sell.

ROTFLMAO. You claim "false value" but there is no such thing. They
simply lay out mathematical underpinning in a more usable manner,
nothing else. People have been successful for years by providing
simplified ways of approaching complex subjects. They are just two
more examples.

That's why I'm here,
and that's why I've been supported and published by the most
respected names in gaming for going on 8 years now. To me, THAT's

the

math that adds up, and that's the common sense that most players

want

to hear.

Sorry, but your last statement is pure gibberish. All you did was
CLAIM you were "respected" while we all know the exact opposite is
true. Otherwise you would not be banned from all the boards and
laughed at by knowledgeable players. It takes honesty to be respected
and you haven't shown any capabilities in this area.

ISPs? OK, that makes no sense.

ISP numbers is what I meant.
  

It also means you can no longer post your lies on vp.com, which is

a really big positive in the lives of all the members.

There's another one of your lies which you can't remember posting.

> Sure, here's only a few. I've never asked for or taken one penny
from
> the hundreds of players I've met with, trained, or played a

session

> with/for, and this story of my "con" only makes you look foolish.

Now, where would we find a con man who'd admit it. Hmmmmm.

You probably wouldn't, but I strongly suspect you don't believe the
story you've created about me but you need it just to have something
you can say in an attempt to rile others up to your frustration over
me. Funny thing is....it's never worked!

I've never claimed any such thing.

Another boldfaced lie. Or should I say pathological lie.

In fact, I've commented that not

getting paid is probably the ONLY reason they publish your lies.

That makes no sense.

> I have won EXACTLY as I say I do in writings and on my site.
> You claim I lie about that on all forums.

Of course you have. Besides I don't say you lie, I only point out

the odds against such a claim.

First you say my lies are in print then you say you don't say it. Do
you see how confused you are and why you are the poster boy for
contradiction?

Again, I never said you lied. I only asked you to prove it which

you have yet to do. Anyone who hides behind a bet rather than openly

provide support for their claims is creating the doubt themselves.

I've shown various parts of the proof to at least 20 players who've
asked over the years--and it's always been out of interest of having
family members living in certain countries or relatives/friends
who've done similar work as I have. You simply have no reason other
than to continue to make up lies about me, and for critics to see
proof they'll always have to pay for the truth. And you've always
been just like the very few overall critics I have anyway. You won't
ever question anything bad you might hear about me--if i said I had
cancer you'd readily accept that, or if I was arrested for burglary
it would be just fine. But mention successes and you, Meldrone and a
few others will call it a "lie" while never wanting any of it to be
true or proven to your own eyes. That would hurt, wouldn't it. But I
understand how it all affects the little people.

> Are you starting to remember yet? You also lie about how my
> many winning sessions will be "wiped out" by the few large losing
> ones, and that's just not true.

Not only is it true, it is mathematically easy to see and

comprehend by anyone who looks at progressions.

Another lie. Do you see your pattern here yet?

Since I simulated your

progression I know the odds of anyone getting the results you

claim.

It is 3 in 10,0000. I said more than once that I don't care if

you'd

won or not. That is not the point. The point is anyone else trying
your system is highly unlikely to win anything near what you claim
and even more unlikely (7 in 10,000) to lose the amount you claim

to have won.

You make believe you simulated what I do and how I do it but you
haven't 60% of the comprehension of what it is that you need to be
able to do it right. This isn't the '60's where you simply plug in
unknown values and proclaim "I'm Done!". And you keep blabbing about
others who may try what I do. I don't know one person who does what I
do and it doesn't matter to me. What does is they play at much lower
levels and have more fun while they experience much better results
than what expert play only gave them for years. And rather than
criticize and run meaningless numbers that you try to make yourself
feel good with, save up the money and get with me in order to try the
strategy. You always say I have a good chance of winning most
sessions, so I'd say that fits nicely into how you worry about the
odds. C'mon. Step up to the plate and experience it for
yourself....or am I correct in knowing how a cowardly soul like you
would never be able to live with himself if he were to see how easy
it is to win a session compared to that addict way you play every
day??

And, throw in these idiotic rantings and you can see why you get
banned from so many boards.

Banning is a badge of honor in my case, but it wouldn't be in yours.
Splitting off from the bunch of mostly low-life video poker players
who populate the forums is an eventuality for someone of my stature.
You, OTOH, are left only with video poker and all that it emcompasses
in your life, and being banned or reprimanded---AS WE'VE SO CLEARLY
SEEN FROM THE WHINING AND HURT YOU'VE DISPLAYED HERE WHEN YOU WERE
PUNISHED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR--is the same as takinf your breath away
or removing the wind from your sails. You have no other life, and all
one need do is read all the forums once a week to see how much time
you spend living your fantasy life on Internet forums. It is
sad....but it is also laughable and easy to make fun of.
  

It's like the 3 mathematicians you claim verifed your system. No
proof. Of course, once we see lie after lie (or, unverified claim
after unverified claim) from you we begin to doubt your other

claims. That is human nature and it will continue until you back up
some of your claims with proof.

I have no need to back up anything, and no one whom I've helped has
ever asked to see whatever it is you think there is about the 3
people who reviewed/advised on my strategy's development. Besides,
only neurotic critics like you keep whining about proof of this and
proof of that because as losers, you can't begin to fathom others
winning so often and so much. AND THERE AIN'T MANY OF YOU. Talk about
proof of unverifiable claims, I can't even get you to show me proof
of your phony claims that you've won anything. To you, only your
version of proof works, but when I say I want to see what the IRS
wants to see such as bank statements with supporting records of
withdrawals/deposits that verify ALL of your so-called claims, you
cower and run for cover. But that's typical. You live in your own
little world of make believe, where the truth hurts and life has lost
its meaning. But wait!....that's why you've allowed video poker to
take over, become the end-all, and WRECK your life!!

> The thing that irks you and the Fromms and the Paymars, etc. of

the

> world is that I first tell players they will not win playing long-
> term strategy without extreme good luck.

See, there's a lie. There are just too many people out there doing
exactly that for luck to play any part of it. My wife doesn't even
play close to perfect strategy (just reasonably good) and she still
wins because she is playing with a big edge.

You continually throw out unsupportable assertion after assertion to
make you feel good about the fantasy you've created that
there's "lots of AP winners out there". You have no idea how anyone
anywhere does and you know it. In fact, I've provided ample sense
that shows how the games big names are so contradictory in what they
do that even someone looking from the outside can see that they lose
and need an income to keep on feeding both the machines and their
nasty habits.

No, it is not obvious at all.

That's right. I said it's MORE than obvious.

What IS obvious is the mathematics

demonstrate a person WILL win if they play with an edge. The more
they play AND/OR the bigger edge they play with will lead to MORE
winnings. This is not rocket science. It is simple application of
basic mathematics.

Yada yada yada. Ask Yuri why he went broke and back to Siberia. Ask
Rick Radner why he needs to keep withdrawing from his father's
inheritance. Ask Lenny Fromm why he admitted to Howard & Maryann at
Gamblers Bookshop before he died that he couldn't make money and NO
ONE could make money playing expert video poker. He only was in it
because of an interest in math and an addiction to the game. Ask Jean
Scott why she needs a partner with a hefty 401k...along with all her
other sales. Ask Bob Dancer why he needs to work work work and sell
sell sell to make ends meet. Ask Dan Paymar why he had to leave LV.
Ask Anthony Curtis and Wong why they needed to come up with an
alternate way to make a living after gambling didn't work out. And I
can give you a list of at least 700 others who've admitted failure at
optimal play because it doesn't work. So bring your lies to vp.com
where there are plenty of suckers that think you know what you say.

Statements like the one above get you in trouble.

HA! What you mean is that they get YOU in trouble, because they
sensibly contradict your neurosis about the undeniable truth about
video poker.

Even if your own

claims are valid, it means nothing to what others will experience.

And that means???

The only thing that matters is the degree of edge a player finds.

The

math is simply the math. It has nothing to gain or lose. I don't
doubt people you con (er, train) have lost in the past. Clearly,

they

are not aware of the mathematics or they would never ask for your
help.

And therein lies one of your main problems and why so many people
make fun of you. You want to believe you understand the math better
than most players, but the truth is most of the people I train
display a greater understanding than that which you spew over the
Internet. The Internet gives the anonymous extraordinary courage. you
can flap all you want from the safety of being behind your computer--
and truly, that's where introverted geeks go their best work--and it
also clearly explains your fear of meeting me in public. Telling lies
to my face isn't the same as boldly proclaiming it to be so from a
keyboard, and it also explains why you are on so many forums spewing
your baloney about optimal play and all the winners "lurking on the
streets of LV". You live your life where it's safe to tell lies, and
where you can manufacture your own little world in which you reside.
  

Of course it is. How do expect anyone to believe this when you are
advocating a losing technique?

One first needs to come to grips with the fact that what I do is a
WINNING technique. And that's what most people I meet with do. Your
skewed belief only goes to warp your daily life further. You create
so much conflict within yourself over it. Is that the retirement you
envisioned?

Tell you what, put a forum on your website and let's see

what people have to say.

You mean you want to see what the few critics have to say. You
already know how neurotic you are when anyone speaks up in support of
what I've done for them or my overall play strategies. You
immediately come out and claim it's me in disguise - and you are
usually the ONLY such fool - and that's proof you not only NEVER want
it to be that there are such players---you can't handle it! It's
actually quite amusing watching you make such a fool of yourself.

> I obviously believe differently. If you're a good successful

player

> then just play and forget about pimping products and services.

All

> she and the others do by working and selling is make it clear

they

> don't win anything. I'd be willing to bet they can't wait for the
> monthly royalty, pay and other checks to arrive so they can run

out

> and feed the machines at the higher limits.

This smacks of jealousy since you have no idea whether your

statement is true or not. Whether you realize it or not, making these
kind of claims makes YOU look poorly.

Common sense says otherwise. And I know more than you think.
  

> And OF COURSE that's his game! With his knowledge and skillful
> presentation, he's very capable of making people think he's
> successful @ vp so thay'll buy his products and hire him for his
> services!! There's nothing you've said that's more mathematically
> correct than that formula right there. Remember, he's a
professional
> consultant first and foremost.

So, what's the problem? He has a skill and he markets it. Sounds

like good old American capitalism to me.

You didn't get it, and you obviously never had much contact with
consultants who knew what they were doing.

> After that's laid
> out, they can manipulate what they do into a very exaggerrated
> perceived outcome to the normal reader and get away with it---
thereby
> giving false value to all that they do and sell.

ROTFLMAO. You claim "false value" but there is no such thing. They
simply lay out mathematical underpinning in a more usable manner,
nothing else. People have been successful for years by providing
simplified ways of approaching complex subjects. They are just two
more examples.

And you would never admit to the obvious. No one would buy a thing
from them or hire them for anything if they admitted they lost. All
they need do is give the PERCEPTION they are winners thus creating
false value. Jean Scott finally admitted so, but in her current state
of mind I don't think she cares any more.

> That's why I'm here,
> and that's why I've been supported and published by the most
> respected names in gaming for going on 8 years now. To me, THAT's
the
> math that adds up, and that's the common sense that most players
want
> to hear.
>

Sorry, but your last statement is pure gibberish. All you did was
CLAIM you were "respected" while we all know the exact opposite is
true. Otherwise you would not be banned from all the boards and
laughed at by knowledgeable players. It takes honesty to be

respected and you haven't shown any capabilities in this area.

You avoided the issue and I see why.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

Did anyone else notice?

There was an actual civilized exchange between messrs. Singer and
Mustain (messages 5271 and 5275).

What a pleasant surprise!

That's because such an exchange is entirely possible when his addiction
and the only important aspect of his life that remains---video poker---
is not attacked with simple common sense.

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "neilemb" <nembree@...> wrote:

Did anyone else notice?

There was an actual civilized exchange between messrs. Singer and
Mustain (messages 5271 and 5275).

What a pleasant surprise!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> ISPs? OK, that makes no sense.

ISP numbers is what I meant.

It's called an IP address.

> > Sure, here's only a few. I've never asked for or taken one

penny

> from
> > the hundreds of players I've met with, trained, or played a
session
> > with/for, and this story of my "con" only makes you look

foolish.

>
> Now, where would we find a con man who'd admit it. Hmmmmm.

You probably wouldn't, but I strongly suspect you don't believe the
story you've created about me but you need it just to have

something

you can say in an attempt to rile others up to your frustration

over

me. Funny thing is....it's never worked!

I have no idea if the description is correct. When I first posted it
I stated it was an alternative scenario that explained almost
everything about Rob Singer. That description still holds today.

> I've never claimed any such thing.

Another boldfaced lie. Or should I say pathological lie.

You can call it whatever you want, the rest of us will call it the
TRUTH.

In fact, I've commented that not
> getting paid is probably the ONLY reason they publish your lies.

That makes no sense.

It does to anyone with a brain. Your articles are posted because they
create controversy. I'm sure GT understands that any controversy has
the potential to increase readership. You are similar to the 3 headed
alien one might see on another newsstand rag.

> > I have won EXACTLY as I say I do in writings and on my site.
> > You claim I lie about that on all forums.
>
> Of course you have. Besides I don't say you lie, I only point out
the odds against such a claim.

First you say my lies are in print then you say you don't say it.

Do

you see how confused you are and why you are the poster boy for
contradiction?

Not in the least. I state your claims are questionable due to the
mathematical odds against them. The lies I mentioned above are when
you claim advantage play doesn't work. That is a bold face lie and
one you cannot avoid.

> Again, I never said you lied. I only asked you to prove it which
you have yet to do. Anyone who hides behind a bet rather than

openly

> provide support for their claims is creating the doubt themselves.

I've shown various parts of the proof to at least 20 players who've
asked over the years--and it's always been out of interest of

having

family members living in certain countries or relatives/friends
who've done similar work as I have. You simply have no reason other
than to continue to make up lies about me, and for critics to see
proof they'll always have to pay for the truth. And you've always
been just like the very few overall critics I have anyway. You

won't

ever question anything bad you might hear about me--if i said I had
cancer you'd readily accept that, or if I was arrested for burglary
it would be just fine. But mention successes and you, Meldrone and

a

few others will call it a "lie" while never wanting any of it to be
true or proven to your own eyes. That would hurt, wouldn't it. But

I

understand how it all affects the little people.

I guess Rob has nothing to support those claims. Sorry, but no one is
feeling sorry for you. If you don't back up your claims then no one
will believe them.

> > Are you starting to remember yet? You also lie about how my
> > many winning sessions will be "wiped out" by the few large

losing

> > ones, and that's just not true.
>
> Not only is it true, it is mathematically easy to see and
comprehend by anyone who looks at progressions.

Another lie. Do you see your pattern here yet?

Yes, you denying the truth. It happens almost every time you post.

Since I simulated your
> progression I know the odds of anyone getting the results you
claim.
> It is 3 in 10,0000. I said more than once that I don't care if
you'd
> won or not. That is not the point. The point is anyone else

trying

> your system is highly unlikely to win anything near what you

claim

> and even more unlikely (7 in 10,000) to lose the amount you claim
to have won.

You make believe you simulated what I do and how I do it but you
haven't 60% of the comprehension of what it is that you need to be
able to do it right. This isn't the '60's where you simply plug in
unknown values and proclaim "I'm Done!". And you keep blabbing

about

others who may try what I do. I don't know one person who does what

I

do and it doesn't matter to me. What does is they play at much

lower

levels and have more fun while they experience much better results
than what expert play only gave them for years. And rather than
criticize and run meaningless numbers that you try to make yourself
feel good with, save up the money and get with me in order to try

the

strategy. You always say I have a good chance of winning most
sessions, so I'd say that fits nicely into how you worry about the
odds. C'mon. Step up to the plate and experience it for
yourself....or am I correct in knowing how a cowardly soul like you
would never be able to live with himself if he were to see how easy
it is to win a session compared to that addict way you play every
day??

I've ran the simulations which provide me all the information I need.
I also know from my own experience that had I been playing a
progression there are days that I would have reaped great benefits
and there are days where nothing would have helped ... exactly like
the simulations project. What you don't "comprehend" is that there is
nothing magical in what you do. You put money in a machine and you
will win or lose just like everyone else. Over time your results will
approach statistical predictions. You can ramble on but you can't
overcome these mathematical truths.

> And, throw in these idiotic rantings and you can see why you get
> banned from so many boards.

Banning is a badge of honor in my case, but it wouldn't be in

yours.

Splitting off from the bunch of mostly low-life video poker players
who populate the forums is an eventuality for someone of my

stature.

You, OTOH, are left only with video poker and all that it

emcompasses

in your life, and being banned or reprimanded---AS WE'VE SO CLEARLY
SEEN FROM THE WHINING AND HURT YOU'VE DISPLAYED HERE WHEN YOU WERE
PUNISHED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR--is the same as takinf your breath

away

or removing the wind from your sails. You have no other life, and

all

one need do is read all the forums once a week to see how much time
you spend living your fantasy life on Internet forums. It is
sad....but it is also laughable and easy to make fun of.

It is sad to see your jealous rants. You really do need to seek help.

> It's like the 3 mathematicians you claim verifed your system. No
> proof. Of course, once we see lie after lie (or, unverified claim
> after unverified claim) from you we begin to doubt your other
claims. That is human nature and it will continue until you back up
some of your claims with proof.

I have no need to back up anything, and no one whom I've helped has
ever asked to see whatever it is you think there is about the 3
people who reviewed/advised on my strategy's development. Besides,
only neurotic critics like you keep whining about proof of this and
proof of that because as losers, you can't begin to fathom others
winning so often and so much. AND THERE AIN'T MANY OF YOU. Talk

about

proof of unverifiable claims, I can't even get you to show me proof
of your phony claims that you've won anything. To you, only your
version of proof works, but when I say I want to see what the IRS
wants to see such as bank statements with supporting records of
withdrawals/deposits that verify ALL of your so-called claims, you
cower and run for cover. But that's typical. You live in your own
little world of make believe, where the truth hurts and life has

lost

its meaning. But wait!....that's why you've allowed video poker to
take over, become the end-all, and WRECK your life!!

I take it you're now backing down from looking at my tax return. Oh,
well, I knew it was going to happen. You'd never want to admit to
seeing proof that I have won.

However, this is where you fall on your sword. You started out
whimpering no one believes you and now, when asked for one peice of
evidence to support your claims, you back down immediately. The only
possible conclusion anyone can come to is that you lied.

> > The thing that irks you and the Fromms and the Paymars, etc. of
the
> > world is that I first tell players they will not win playing

long-

> > term strategy without extreme good luck.
>
> See, there's a lie. There are just too many people out there

doing

> exactly that for luck to play any part of it. My wife doesn't

even

> play close to perfect strategy (just reasonably good) and she

still

> wins because she is playing with a big edge.

You continually throw out unsupportable assertion after assertion

to

make you feel good about the fantasy you've created that
there's "lots of AP winners out there". You have no idea how anyone
anywhere does and you know it. In fact, I've provided ample sense
that shows how the games big names are so contradictory in what

they

do that even someone looking from the outside can see that they

lose

and need an income to keep on feeding both the machines and their
nasty habits.

You've provided nothing but a lot of whinning. What I've provided is
mathematical support for everything I've said.

What IS obvious is the mathematics
> demonstrate a person WILL win if they play with an edge. The more
> they play AND/OR the bigger edge they play with will lead to MORE
> winnings. This is not rocket science. It is simple application of
> basic mathematics.

Yada yada yada. Ask Yuri why he went broke and back to Siberia. Ask
Rick Radner why he needs to keep withdrawing from his father's
inheritance. Ask Lenny Fromm why he admitted to Howard & Maryann at
Gamblers Bookshop before he died that he couldn't make money and NO
ONE could make money playing expert video poker. He only was in it
because of an interest in math and an addiction to the game. Ask

Jean

Scott why she needs a partner with a hefty 401k...along with all

her

other sales. Ask Bob Dancer why he needs to work work work and sell
sell sell to make ends meet. Ask Dan Paymar why he had to leave LV.
Ask Anthony Curtis and Wong why they needed to come up with an
alternate way to make a living after gambling didn't work out. And

I

can give you a list of at least 700 others who've admitted failure

at

optimal play because it doesn't work. So bring your lies to vp.com
where there are plenty of suckers that think you know what you say.

OK, I'll ask you to provide ONE piece of evidence to support just one
of your claims above. Just because these people found additional ways
to make income does not have anything to do with their gambling
results. Just the fact you would claim otherwise demonstrates pretty
clearly that you aren't interested in the truth. Now just why might
that be?

> Statements like the one above get you in trouble.

HA! What you mean is that they get YOU in trouble, because they
sensibly contradict your neurosis about the undeniable truth about
video poker.

No, because they demonstrate you will lie through your teeth without
batting an eye. People who behave like this often have been known to
con others as well.

Even if your own
> claims are valid, it means nothing to what others will experience.

And that means???

Exactly what I said.

> The only thing that matters is the degree of edge a player finds.
The
> math is simply the math. It has nothing to gain or lose. I don't
> doubt people you con (er, train) have lost in the past. Clearly,
they
> are not aware of the mathematics or they would never ask for your
> help.

And therein lies one of your main problems and why so many people
make fun of you. You want to believe you understand the math better
than most players, but the truth is most of the people I train
display a greater understanding than that which you spew over the
Internet.

I suspect not a one of them could do a simple combinatorial problem.
If they could they would already know you are lying to them. Of
course, combinatorial arithmetic probably is beyond you as well.

···

The Internet gives the anonymous extraordinary courage. you
can flap all you want from the safety of being behind your computer-

-

and truly, that's where introverted geeks go their best work--and

it

also clearly explains your fear of meeting me in public.

I've told many times where you can find me and you have yet to
appear. And now, you're even backing out of reviewing my tax forms
that demonstrate beyond any doubt that I win.

Telling lies
to my face isn't the same as boldly proclaiming it to be so from a
keyboard, and it also explains why you are on so many forums

spewing

your baloney about optimal play and all the winners "lurking on the
streets of LV". You live your life where it's safe to tell lies,

and

where you can manufacture your own little world in which you

reside.

Projection at it's finest. In fact, your projections have appeared
throughout this little rant of yours.

> Of course it is. How do expect anyone to believe this when you

are

> advocating a losing technique?

One first needs to come to grips with the fact that what I do is a
WINNING technique. And that's what most people I meet with do. Your
skewed belief only goes to warp your daily life further. You create
so much conflict within yourself over it. Is that the retirement

you

envisioned?

LMAO. Your "WINNING technique" is pure BS. The math doesn't care
about all your claims, it only cares about the games you play. If
they are positive game then you can claim it is a winning technique,
if they are negative games then the technique is a LOSER.

Tell you what, put a forum on your website and let's see
> what people have to say.

You mean you want to see what the few critics have to say. You
already know how neurotic you are when anyone speaks up in support

of

what I've done for them or my overall play strategies. You
immediately come out and claim it's me in disguise - and you are
usually the ONLY such fool - and that's proof you not only NEVER

want

it to be that there are such players---you can't handle it! It's
actually quite amusing watching you make such a fool of yourself.

I think this pretty much backs up everything I've said. You are
completely afraid of the feedback you'd get with a forum on your
website. You gotta love it ...

> > I obviously believe differently. If you're a good successful
player
> > then just play and forget about pimping products and services.
All
> > she and the others do by working and selling is make it clear
they
> > don't win anything. I'd be willing to bet they can't wait for

the

> > monthly royalty, pay and other checks to arrive so they can run
out
> > and feed the machines at the higher limits.
>
> This smacks of jealousy since you have no idea whether your
statement is true or not. Whether you realize it or not, making

these

kind of claims makes YOU look poorly.

Common sense says otherwise. And I know more than you think.

No, common sense is working against you. Anyone who makes
unsubstantiated claims appears to others as a jealous crybaby.

> > And OF COURSE that's his game! With his knowledge and skillful
> > presentation, he's very capable of making people think he's
> > successful @ vp so thay'll buy his products and hire him for

his

> > services!! There's nothing you've said that's more

mathematically

> > correct than that formula right there. Remember, he's a
> professional
> > consultant first and foremost.
>
> So, what's the problem? He has a skill and he markets it. Sounds
like good old American capitalism to me.

You didn't get it, and you obviously never had much contact with
consultants who knew what they were doing.

Appearances are important in the business world. Obviously, you
missed that class. They get you in the door, however, if a consultant
cannot provide value they will not be called back, that is capitalism
at work. I think it's pretty clear exactly who does not "get it".

> > After that's laid
> > out, they can manipulate what they do into a very exaggerrated
> > perceived outcome to the normal reader and get away with it---
> thereby
> > giving false value to all that they do and sell.
>
> ROTFLMAO. You claim "false value" but there is no such thing.

They

> simply lay out mathematical underpinning in a more usable manner,
> nothing else. People have been successful for years by providing
> simplified ways of approaching complex subjects. They are just

two

> more examples.

And you would never admit to the obvious. No one would buy a thing
from them or hire them for anything if they admitted they lost. All
they need do is give the PERCEPTION they are winners thus creating
false value. Jean Scott finally admitted so, but in her current

state

of mind I don't think she cares any more.

You are correct that percpetion is important ... didn't I just say
that above. However, they have already provided ample evidence that
they HAVE won. Your whining doesn't change that. Whether they are
winning right now is immaterial to there business efforts. And, Jean
Scott did admit that she continues to generate a yearly profit. Your
point? You seem to be contradicting yourself.

> > That's why I'm here,
> > and that's why I've been supported and published by the most
> > respected names in gaming for going on 8 years now. To me,

THAT's

> the
> > math that adds up, and that's the common sense that most

players

> want
> > to hear.
> >
>
> Sorry, but your last statement is pure gibberish. All you did was
> CLAIM you were "respected" while we all know the exact opposite

is

> true. Otherwise you would not be banned from all the boards and
> laughed at by knowledgeable players. It takes honesty to be
respected and you haven't shown any capabilities in this area.

You avoided the issue and I see why.
>

Another great example of projection.

> ISP numbers is what I meant.

It's called an IP address.

Here's an example of why you're looked at as such a fool on the
Internet by those whom you make believe listen to your words as
gospel. It also goes a long way in confirming why you always choose
to try and look smart to those smarter than you in any given field.
For ex., you want to portray that you know more than the
administrator on here, but he pulled down your pants much in the same
manner I always do. So lets do it again!

From Wikpedia: "ISP:Short for Internet Service Provider, a company
that provides access to the Internet. For a monthly fee, the service
provider gives you a software package, username, password and access
phone number." And what does an ISP (not "IP") contain? YES! An
address comprised of NUMBERS!!!

You can call it whatever you want, the rest of us will call it the
TRUTH.

You can ask your psycho-babbling friend 2WILD (who seems to have
abandoned you since you made an imbecile of yourself on vpFREE and
brought your humiliation over here): Denial & pathological lying go
hand-in-hand.

It does to anyone with a brain. Your articles are posted because

they create controversy. I'm sure GT understands that any controversy
has the potential to increase readership. You are similar to the 3
headed alien one might see on another newsstand rag.

And would such a publication have made it thru nealy 40 years and
have me causing controversial trouble for 7.5 of those with such a
policy? Rather, they reacted wisely to a complaining public when they
fired two of your standing optimal-play heroes (both after less than
a year on the PAYROLL of course) for boring, repititious writing and
unprovable assertions---Dancer and the famous (hahaha!) Skip Hughes!
Then they went after me. They also made a mercy hiring with Fromm,
but he's just another shameless self-promoter tied to daddy's shabby
strings who doesn't play but quotes books and is intimidated by me no
end. He's almost as much fun whacking around as you are!
  

Not in the least. I state your claims are questionable due to the
mathematical odds against them.

And because I've figured out a way to significantly reduce those odds
to a workable & very profitable level, you can't handle it.

The lies I mentioned above are when
you claim advantage play doesn't work. That is a bold face lie and
one you cannot avoid.

When 90%+ come to me and say it doesn't work after I experienced the
same for over 6 years, it's no lie. Just because you have no other
interest in life besides video poker and you desperately NEED your
fantasy about the math to work, you won't have the undeniable truth
about what I say as a consideration. I.E., you're blinded by your own
misconceptions and, ultimately, addiction to gambling. And I
understand it is not something you are capable of changing.
    

I've ran the simulations which provide me all the information I

need.

Just as I said and as sooo many tell me they see in you--you are
afraid to try it with me to see how easy it is to win. Typical of
you, you pretend to "play with an edge", you admit I have a very good
chance of winning, yet when it's time to walk the walk you run away
fast as you can. I personally believe you don't have the money to do
it.

I also know from my own experience that had I been playing a
progression there are days that I would have reaped great benefits
and there are days where nothing would have helped ... exactly like
the simulations project. What you don't "comprehend" is that there

is

nothing magical in what you do. You put money in a machine and you
will win or lose just like everyone else. Over time your results

will

approach statistical predictions. You can ramble on but you can't
overcome these mathematical truths.

Magical? No, never said that. Intelligent? Absolutely, and it is this
divide that makes you foam at the mouth when trying to explain how my
results just can't be what I say they are. I believe your greatest
fear is that there's someone out there who's actually proven that he
has more intelligence than you, and you HAVE to keep trying to keep
it under wraps--pretending no one else would ever know you aren't the
smartest vp player ever.
  

> Banning is a badge of honor in my case, but it wouldn't be in
yours.
> Splitting off from the bunch of mostly low-life video poker

players

> who populate the forums is an eventuality for someone of my
stature.
> You, OTOH, are left only with video poker and all that it
emcompasses
> in your life, and being banned or reprimanded---AS WE'VE SO

CLEARLY

> SEEN FROM THE WHINING AND HURT YOU'VE DISPLAYED HERE WHEN YOU

WERE

> PUNISHED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR--is the same as taking your breath
away
> or removing the wind from your sails. You have no other life, and
all
> one need do is read all the forums once a week to see how much

time

> you spend living your fantasy life on Internet forums. It is
> sad....but it is also laughable and easy to make fun of.

It is sad to see your jealous rants. You really do need to seek

help.

Spoken like a true wounded animal! I think I'll leave it in there for
another 24 hours of devastating effect.
   

> I have no need to back up anything, and no one whom I've helped

has

> ever asked to see whatever it is you think there is about the 3
> people who reviewed/advised on my strategy's development.

Besides,

> only neurotic critics like you keep whining about proof of this

and

> proof of that because as losers, you can't begin to fathom others
> winning so often and so much. AND THERE AIN'T MANY OF YOU. Talk
about
> proof of unverifiable claims, I can't even get you to show me

proof

> of your phony claims that you've won anything. To you, only your
> version of proof works, but when I say I want to see what the IRS
> wants to see such as bank statements with supporting records of
> withdrawals/deposits that verify ALL of your so-called claims,

you

> cower and run for cover. But that's typical. You live in your own
> little world of make believe, where the truth hurts and life has
lost
> its meaning. But wait!....that's why you've allowed video poker

to

> take over, become the end-all, and WRECK your life!!

I take it you're now backing down from looking at my tax return.

Oh, well, I knew it was going to happen. You'd never want to admit to

seeing proof that I have won.

I like how you try to let the arrows I make direct hits with
disappear....
I'll be at the South Point April 3-6. You hang out there about 6
hours a day, right? Bring your return at 2am on Sat. morning at the
far end of the bar near the sports book & poker room along with your
gaming record and your bank account statements that meticulously
correspond to each of your withdrawal/re-deposit (win/loss) claims,
and I'll do exactly what I said I'd do if you can show me cash
winnings with no slot club fluff. I suggest you show and only with
what I can determine is absolute proof, and what i'm requiring is
EXACTLY the same as the IRS would want. No hemming or hawing. No
substitutes or stuttering. Just be there. Or watch me light you up
again in Gaming Today as a fake cowardly fool who once again turned
yellow and backed down.
  

> > See, there's a lie. There are just too many people out there
doing exactly that for luck to play any part of it.

You mean like your protege Eliot Fromm, who has so little money and
gambles once a year? I'd say you fell on your own GUN!

> Yada yada yada. Ask Yuri why he went broke and back to Siberia.

Ask

> Rick Radner why he needs to keep withdrawing from his father's
> inheritance. Ask Lenny Fromm why he admitted to Howard & Maryann

at

> Gamblers Bookshop before he died that he couldn't make money and

NO

> ONE could make money playing expert video poker. He only was in

it

> because of an interest in math and an addiction to the game. Ask
Jean
> Scott why she needs a partner with a hefty 401k...along with all
her
> other sales. Ask Bob Dancer why he needs to work work work and

sell

> sell sell to make ends meet. Ask Dan Paymar why he had to leave

LV.

> Ask Anthony Curtis and Wong why they needed to come up with an
> alternate way to make a living after gambling didn't work out.

And

I
> can give you a list of at least 700 others who've admitted

failure

at
> optimal play because it doesn't work. So bring your lies to

vp.com

> where there are plenty of suckers that think you know what you

say.

OK, I'll ask you to provide ONE piece of evidence to support just

one of your claims above.

You mean like how you've asked all of them to provide just ONE piece
of evidence to prove their claims that they've won? Or wait a minute!-
-Do you want to take the easy way out again and say they HAD to have
won because they said they are all AP'S and the math says they should
win?? Again, you live on theory and I live in the REAL WORLD!!
HELLO....Anybody home in there McFLY??!

Just because these people found additional ways

to make income does not have anything to do with their gambling
results.

Yeah right. Couldn't possibly be that they need an INCOME now, could
it?? You're very gullible, but with a purpose. You're whole life
(whatever's left after riddling it with a gambling problem, that is)
would go into SERIOUS TILT! if you used common sense on this.

> And therein lies one of your main problems and why so many people
> make fun of you. You want to believe you understand the math

better

> than most players, but the truth is most of the people I train
> display a greater understanding than that which you spew over the
> Internet.

I suspect not a one of them could do a simple combinatorial

problem.

If they could they would already know you are lying to them. Of
course, combinatorial arithmetic probably is beyond you as well.

You know, at least I come right out and say most vp players are low-
lifes who are grossly fat and sloppily dressed, and who have drinking
problems. I see it and verify it all the time and talk to many of
them about it. But you think they're all dumber than you but you
really don't know, so you throw out assertions that you won't have to
prove because there's no way to prove it. But hey, stick with the
Dick theory. BTW--I've got more degrees than you and I'm a real EE.
that's why I wasn't a lowly programmer who uses his declining years
trying to pretend he was something in his younger days - aka, punch
card heaven!

LMAO. Your "WINNING technique" is pure BS. The math doesn't care
about all your claims, it only cares about the games you play. If
they are positive game then you can claim it is a winning

technique,

if they are negative games then the technique is a LOSER.

Here's a flash! The "math" is incapable of caring!!

> You mean you want to see what the few critics have to say. You
> already know how neurotic you are when anyone speaks up in

support

of
> what I've done for them or my overall play strategies. You
> immediately come out and claim it's me in disguise - and you are
> usually the ONLY such fool - and that's proof you not only NEVER
want
> it to be that there are such players---you can't handle it! It's
> actually quite amusing watching you make such a fool of yourself.

I think this pretty much backs up everything I've said. You are
completely afraid of the feedback you'd get with a forum on your
website. You gotta love it ...

And you think no one can see thru your transparent portrayal of
yourself.....
  

> > This smacks of jealousy since you have no idea whether your
> statement is true or not. Whether you realize it or not, making
these
> kind of claims makes YOU look poorly.
>
> Common sense says otherwise. And I know more than you think.

No, common sense is working against you. Anyone who makes
unsubstantiated claims appears to others as a jealous crybaby.

Now there's another flip-flop...or is it sticking foot #2 into your
mouth again??
   

> You didn't get it, and you obviously never had much contact with
> consultants who knew what they were doing.

Appearances are important in the business world. Obviously, you
missed that class. They get you in the door, however, if a

consultant

cannot provide value they will not be called back, that is

capitalism

at work. I think it's pretty clear exactly who does not "get it".

So after I schooled you on the most important part of Dancer, you
decided to try and cover up your miss with a wordy response! HAHAHA!!
You get better with age!!!
  

> And you would never admit to the obvious. No one would buy a

thing

> from them or hire them for anything if they admitted they lost.

All

> they need do is give the PERCEPTION they are winners thus

creating

> false value. Jean Scott finally admitted so, but in her current
state
> of mind I don't think she cares any more.

You are correct that percpetion is important ... didn't I just say
that above. However, they have already provided ample evidence that
they HAVE won.

I must have missed it--just like everyone else. Now WHERE is that
evidence again?? This must be another way you think you're getting
back at Dancer for being smarter than you and having made good use
out of his ability to understand programming--when you simply fizzled
away.....

···

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

> > ISP numbers is what I meant.

> It's called an IP address.

Here's an example of why you're looked at as such a fool on the
Internet by those whom you make believe listen to your words as
gospel. It also goes a long way in confirming why you always choose
to try and look smart to those smarter than you in any given field.
For ex., you want to portray that you know more than the
administrator on here, but he pulled down your pants much in the

same

manner I always do. So lets do it again!

From Wikpedia: "ISP:Short for Internet Service Provider, a company
that provides access to the Internet. For a monthly fee, the

service

provider gives you a software package, username, password and

access

phone number." And what does an ISP (not "IP") contain? YES! An
address comprised of NUMBERS!!!

ISP does stand for Internet Service Provider, like AOL. It is simply
a term for companies that provide connectivity to the internet,
usually with a fee attached. When you sign on to the internet through
an ISP you are either allocated a temporary address (or you may have
a permanent address) which is then used for communications to other
computers. The "numbers" are called an Internet Protocol Address or
IP address for short. They have nothing to do with the phone numbers
used to call an ISP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address

> It does to anyone with a brain. Your articles are posted because
they create controversy. I'm sure GT understands that any

controversy

has the potential to increase readership. You are similar to the 3
headed alien one might see on another newsstand rag.

And would such a publication have made it thru nealy 40 years and
have me causing controversial trouble for 7.5 of those with such a
policy? Rather, they reacted wisely to a complaining public when

they

fired two of your standing optimal-play heroes (both after less

than

a year on the PAYROLL of course) for boring, repititious writing

and

unprovable assertions---Dancer and the famous (hahaha!) Skip

Hughes!

Writing useful columns on VP is somewhat difficult. The subject is
not all that complex and I can see why after a year it would get
boring and repetitious. That is often the case with the truth. Then
again, I've heard others state your columns all sound the same ...
maybe there's another explanation ...

Then they went after me. They also made a mercy hiring with Fromm,
but he's just another shameless self-promoter tied to daddy's

shabby

strings who doesn't play but quotes books and is intimidated by me

no

end. He's almost as much fun whacking around as you are!

Of course, maybe the real explanation is Dancer and Hughes wouldn't
waste their time writing for no pay, you would.

> Not in the least. I state your claims are questionable due to the
> mathematical odds against them.

And because I've figured out a way to significantly reduce those

odds

to a workable & very profitable level, you can't handle it.

As always, no one cares if you've won or lost, only whether they have
a better chance of winning over time using your system. The answer to
that question is a simple NO.

>The lies I mentioned above are when
> you claim advantage play doesn't work. That is a bold face lie

and

> one you cannot avoid.

When 90%+ come to me and say it doesn't work after I experienced

the

same for over 6 years, it's no lie. Just because you have no other
interest in life besides video poker and you desperately NEED your
fantasy about the math to work, you won't have the undeniable truth
about what I say as a consideration. I.E., you're blinded by your

own

misconceptions and, ultimately, addiction to gambling. And I
understand it is not something you are capable of changing.

Now here is an obvious lie. I imagine around 90% of the APers that
have heard of you would laugh in your face. You haven't seen anywhere
close to 90% of the APers.

So, where are all these APers that support you? They sure don't seem
to be around to support you on any internet forum while they appear
in droves supporting Jean and Bob.

> I've ran the simulations which provide me all the information I
need.

Just as I said and as sooo many tell me they see in you--you are
afraid to try it with me to see how easy it is to win. Typical of
you, you pretend to "play with an edge", you admit I have a very

good

chance of winning, yet when it's time to walk the walk you run away
fast as you can. I personally believe you don't have the money to

do

it.

I suspect the truth is you believe I win and wish you had the same
talents.

> I also know from my own experience that had I been playing a
> progression there are days that I would have reaped great

benefits

> and there are days where nothing would have helped ... exactly

like

> the simulations project. What you don't "comprehend" is that

there

is
> nothing magical in what you do. You put money in a machine and

you

> will win or lose just like everyone else. Over time your results
will
> approach statistical predictions. You can ramble on but you can't
> overcome these mathematical truths.

Magical? No, never said that. Intelligent? Absolutely, and it is

this

divide that makes you foam at the mouth when trying to explain how

my

results just can't be what I say they are. I believe your greatest
fear is that there's someone out there who's actually proven that

he

has more intelligence than you, and you HAVE to keep trying to keep
it under wraps--pretending no one else would ever know you aren't

the

smartest vp player ever.

I doesn't take great smarts to be a successful VP player. Good
memorization skills and patience are the two MOST important
requirements.

> > Banning is a badge of honor in my case, but it wouldn't be in
> yours.
> > Splitting off from the bunch of mostly low-life video poker
players
> > who populate the forums is an eventuality for someone of my
> stature.
> > You, OTOH, are left only with video poker and all that it
> emcompasses
> > in your life, and being banned or reprimanded---AS WE'VE SO
CLEARLY
> > SEEN FROM THE WHINING AND HURT YOU'VE DISPLAYED HERE WHEN YOU
WERE
> > PUNISHED BY THE ADMINISTRATOR--is the same as taking your

breath

> away
> > or removing the wind from your sails. You have no other life,

and

> all
> > one need do is read all the forums once a week to see how much
time
> > you spend living your fantasy life on Internet forums. It is
> > sad....but it is also laughable and easy to make fun of.
>
> It is sad to see your jealous rants. You really do need to seek
help.

Spoken like a true wounded animal! I think I'll leave it in there

for

another 24 hours of devastating effect.

It appears you are your own worst enemy once again. I'd be more than
happy to leave your jealous rant around for another 24 hours. The
projections are really hilarious.

> > I have no need to back up anything, and no one whom I've helped
has
> > ever asked to see whatever it is you think there is about the 3
> > people who reviewed/advised on my strategy's development.
Besides,
> > only neurotic critics like you keep whining about proof of this
and
> > proof of that because as losers, you can't begin to fathom

others

> > winning so often and so much. AND THERE AIN'T MANY OF YOU. Talk
> about
> > proof of unverifiable claims, I can't even get you to show me
proof
> > of your phony claims that you've won anything. To you, only

your

> > version of proof works, but when I say I want to see what the

IRS

> > wants to see such as bank statements with supporting records of
> > withdrawals/deposits that verify ALL of your so-called claims,
you
> > cower and run for cover. But that's typical. You live in your

own

> > little world of make believe, where the truth hurts and life

has

> lost
> > its meaning. But wait!....that's why you've allowed video poker
to
> > take over, become the end-all, and WRECK your life!!
>
> I take it you're now backing down from looking at my tax return.
Oh, well, I knew it was going to happen. You'd never want to admit

to

> seeing proof that I have won.

I like how you try to let the arrows I make direct hits with
disappear....
I'll be at the South Point April 3-6. You hang out there about 6
hours a day, right? Bring your return at 2am on Sat. morning at the
far end of the bar near the sports book & poker room along with

your

gaming record and your bank account statements that meticulously
correspond to each of your withdrawal/re-deposit (win/loss) claims,
and I'll do exactly what I said I'd do if you can show me cash
winnings with no slot club fluff. I suggest you show and only with
what I can determine is absolute proof, and what i'm requiring is
EXACTLY the same as the IRS would want. No hemming or hawing. No
substitutes or stuttering. Just be there. Or watch me light you up
again in Gaming Today as a fake cowardly fool who once again turned
yellow and backed down.

Just as I said, you backed down. Sorry, Robbie but you've used this
ploy way too often for anyone to fall for it anymore. You first ask
for my tax returns and I agree. But now that you realize I will
provide them you start throwing in other "stuff" and you state a time
you know will be inconvenient for me. I think your self-projection as
a "cowardly fool" hits the mark perfectly.

> > > See, there's a lie. There are just too many people out there
> doing exactly that for luck to play any part of it.

You mean like your protege Eliot Fromm, who has so little money and
gambles once a year? I'd say you fell on your own GUN!

I don't know him, so, no, I didn't mean him. If you had been at the
Tuscany when they had their little fiasco you'd have seen around 100
APers all sitting at machines for the double jackpot promotion. In
only a few minutes lights were flashing everywhere as one jackpot
after another was hit. I think I could safely say 100% of these APers
would laugh in your face. Of course, the casino cancelled the
promotion after only an hour as they quickly realized they were going
to lose much more than they had planned. It wouldn't be too far off
to say they lost 40 thousand in that hour alone.

> > Yada yada yada. Ask Yuri why he went broke and back to Siberia.
Ask
> > Rick Radner why he needs to keep withdrawing from his father's
> > inheritance. Ask Lenny Fromm why he admitted to Howard &

Maryann

at
> > Gamblers Bookshop before he died that he couldn't make money

and

NO
> > ONE could make money playing expert video poker. He only was in
it
> > because of an interest in math and an addiction to the game.

Ask

> Jean
> > Scott why she needs a partner with a hefty 401k...along with

all

> her
> > other sales. Ask Bob Dancer why he needs to work work work and
sell
> > sell sell to make ends meet. Ask Dan Paymar why he had to leave
LV.
> > Ask Anthony Curtis and Wong why they needed to come up with an
> > alternate way to make a living after gambling didn't work out.
And
> I
> > can give you a list of at least 700 others who've admitted
failure
> at
> > optimal play because it doesn't work. So bring your lies to
vp.com
> > where there are plenty of suckers that think you know what you
say.
>
> OK, I'll ask you to provide ONE piece of evidence to support just
one of your claims above.

You mean like how you've asked all of them to provide just ONE

piece

of evidence to prove their claims that they've won? Or wait a

minute!-

-Do you want to take the easy way out again and say they HAD to

have

won because they said they are all AP'S and the math says they

should

win?? Again, you live on theory and I live in the REAL WORLD!!
HELLO....Anybody home in there McFLY??!

Translation: Robbie doesn't have ONE piece of evidence. However, I
just gave a situation above where it was obvious that APers won big.

Just because these people found additional ways
> to make income does not have anything to do with their gambling
> results.

Yeah right. Couldn't possibly be that they need an INCOME now,

could

it??

There is no way of knowing for sure one way or the other. OTOH, the
mathematics makes it clear that it is MUCH MORE LIKELY they did not
need it.

You're very gullible, but with a purpose. You're whole life
(whatever's left after riddling it with a gambling problem, that

is)

would go into SERIOUS TILT! if you used common sense on this.

I just used "common sense" and demonstrated that it is simply your
jealousy that blinds you.

> > And therein lies one of your main problems and why so many

people

> > make fun of you. You want to believe you understand the math
better
> > than most players, but the truth is most of the people I train
> > display a greater understanding than that which you spew over

the

> > Internet.
>
> I suspect not a one of them could do a simple combinatorial
problem.
> If they could they would already know you are lying to them. Of
> course, combinatorial arithmetic probably is beyond you as well.

You know, at least I come right out and say most vp players are low-
lifes who are grossly fat and sloppily dressed, and who have

drinking

problems. I see it and verify it all the time and talk to many of
them about it. But you think they're all dumber than you but you
really don't know, so you throw out assertions that you won't have

to

prove because there's no way to prove it. But hey, stick with the
Dick theory. BTW--I've got more degrees than you and I'm a real EE.
that's why I wasn't a lowly programmer who uses his declining years
trying to pretend he was something in his younger days - aka, punch
card heaven!

Short answer was "NO", Robbie. So, you can't do simple arithmentic.
Not surprising at all. I used the term "combinatorial arithmetic"
just to see what you would do. All it requires is a little addition,
subtraction, mutiplication and division.

> LMAO. Your "WINNING technique" is pure BS. The math doesn't care
> about all your claims, it only cares about the games you play. If
> they are positive game then you can claim it is a winning
technique,
> if they are negative games then the technique is a LOSER.

Here's a flash! The "math" is incapable of caring!!

In other words, you agree that math provides the correct answer
without caring whether it produces winners or losers. Therefore, my
last sentence was TRUE.

> > You mean you want to see what the few critics have to say. You
> > already know how neurotic you are when anyone speaks up in
support
> of
> > what I've done for them or my overall play strategies. You
> > immediately come out and claim it's me in disguise - and you

are

> > usually the ONLY such fool - and that's proof you not only

NEVER

> want
> > it to be that there are such players---you can't handle it!

It's

> > actually quite amusing watching you make such a fool of

yourself.

>
> I think this pretty much backs up everything I've said. You are
> completely afraid of the feedback you'd get with a forum on your
> website. You gotta love it ...

And you think no one can see thru your transparent portrayal of
yourself.....

LMAO. Changing the subject won't work. You know as well as I do that
a forum would be the perfect place for those who have tried your
system to return and state they lost. Most people promoting a winning
technique would want feedback, those promoting a con clearly don't
want feedback. I rest my case.

> > > This smacks of jealousy since you have no idea whether your
> > statement is true or not. Whether you realize it or not, making
> these
> > kind of claims makes YOU look poorly.
> >
> > Common sense says otherwise. And I know more than you think.
>
> No, common sense is working against you. Anyone who makes
> unsubstantiated claims appears to others as a jealous crybaby.

Now there's another flip-flop...or is it sticking foot #2 into your
mouth again??

Sorry, but your obvious jealousy exposes itself over and over. It
appears you've run out of ways to defend yourself.

> > You didn't get it, and you obviously never had much contact

with

> > consultants who knew what they were doing.
>
> Appearances are important in the business world. Obviously, you
> missed that class. They get you in the door, however, if a
consultant
> cannot provide value they will not be called back, that is
capitalism
> at work. I think it's pretty clear exactly who does not "get it".

So after I schooled you on the most important part of Dancer, you
decided to try and cover up your miss with a wordy response!

HAHAHA!!

You get better with age!!!

Thank you.

> > And you would never admit to the obvious. No one would buy a
thing
> > from them or hire them for anything if they admitted they lost.
All
> > they need do is give the PERCEPTION they are winners thus
creating
> > false value. Jean Scott finally admitted so, but in her current
> state
> > of mind I don't think she cares any more.
>
> You are correct that percpetion is important ... didn't I just

say

> that above. However, they have already provided ample evidence

that

> they HAVE won.

I must have missed it--just like everyone else. Now WHERE is that
evidence again?? This must be another way you think you're getting
back at Dancer for being smarter than you and having made good use
out of his ability to understand programming--when you simply

fizzled

away.....

Dancer's large win at the MGM is well documented and you have
actually criticized him for it. Jean and Brad's latest big wins were
also verified by several others present. So, you didn't "miss it",
you just ignore it due to severe jealousy.

ISP does stand for Internet Service Provider, like AOL.

At least this time you LOOKED IT UP before appearing dumb again.
Next time just listen to me and you'll fare MUCH better.

Writing useful columns on VP is somewhat difficult. The subject is
not all that complex and I can see why after a year it would get
boring and repetitious. That is often the case with the truth.

Then again, I've heard others state your columns all sound the
same ... maybe there's another explanation ...

GT...you know, that "rag"...won't publish me if I send themthing
they consider useless. I've had 2 of them out of nearly 400 so far.

Of course, maybe the real explanation is Dancer and Hughes

wouldn't waste their time writing for no pay, you would.

Dancer & Hughes were both PAID. C'mon, can you picture Bob doing
something that wouldn't put gambling money in his pocket? And Skip??
hahaha! there's a laugh. He needs every penny he can get just to
make ends meet. I chose no pay because I don't need it and don't
want to be seen as someone who profits from helping others.
   

> When 90%+ come to me and say it doesn't work after I experienced
the
> same for over 6 years, it's no lie. Just because you have no

other

> interest in life besides video poker and you desperately NEED

your

> fantasy about the math to work, you won't have the undeniable

truth

> about what I say as a consideration. I.E., you're blinded by

your

own
> misconceptions and, ultimately, addiction to gambling. And I
> understand it is not something you are capable of changing.

Now here is an obvious lie. I imagine around 90% of the APers that
have heard of you would laugh in your face. You haven't seen

anywhere close to 90% of the APers.

Guess what--most of the members on vpFREE also signed up to receive
my e-newsletter. Most of them make fun of people like you and
Jean/bob, etc. for making believe you all win while you are all
addicted losers for the most part. Some argue with me lots of time
like you do only in private, and just like here--I win all the time
because they quote theory and I quote reality.

So, where are all these APers that support you? They sure don't

seem to be around to support you on any internet forum while they
appear in droves supporting Jean and Bob.

What's your definition of "support"? I've got nearly 7000 e-
newsletter subscribers. Jean & bob lose more followers every day,
only I imagine Jean's getting some back now that she came out and
finally admitted the truth about how she always loses every year.
      

I doesn't take great smarts to be a successful VP player. Good
memorization skills and patience are the two MOST important
requirements.

In your messed up world, maybe. In mine, it takes bankroll, powerful
discipline, a structured play plan, the intelligence of always
knowing when NOT to make the optimal hold, simple common sense, and
tons of determination that will allow you to always do exactly what
you said you were going to do BEFORE walking into the casino.
Patience? HAHA!! You people play as fast as you can chasing points
and the unattainable "long-term"---and you say PATIENCE??!! Maybe
the patience to wait until your next automatic deposit goes in so
you can rush out and lose it again.....
   

It appears you are your own worst enemy once again. I'd be more

than

happy to leave your jealous rant around for another 24 hours. The
projections are really hilarious.

What else can you say after all the humiliation.....and not go nuts!
   

> I like how you try to let the arrows I make direct hits with
> disappear....
> I'll be at the South Point April 3-6. You hang out there about 6
> hours a day, right? Bring your return at 2am on Sat. morning at

the

> far end of the bar near the sports book & poker room along with
your
> gaming record and your bank account statements that meticulously
> correspond to each of your withdrawal/re-deposit (win/loss)

claims,

> and I'll do exactly what I said I'd do if you can show me cash
> winnings with no slot club fluff. I suggest you show and only

with

> what I can determine is absolute proof, and what i'm requiring

is

> EXACTLY the same as the IRS would want. No hemming or hawing. No
> substitutes or stuttering. Just be there. Or watch me light you

up

> again in Gaming Today as a fake cowardly fool who once again

turned

> yellow and backed down.

Just as I said, you backed down.

Read it again. Do you have any choice but to lie here?!

Sorry, Robbie but you've used this

ploy way too often for anyone to fall for it anymore. You first

ask

for my tax returns and I agree. But now that you realize I will
provide them you start throwing in other "stuff" and you state a

time

you know will be inconvenient for me. I think your self-projection

as

a "cowardly fool" hits the mark perfectly.

I never asked for your tax returns, I asked for proof--you said
you'd show them to me as proof. I said that's no proof on their own
and I wanted what the IRS wants in an audit as proof. You never had
the intention of proving anything because you lose and would have to
manufacture a 2nd set of paperwork, so you have no choice but to
hide in your little hole over this. Typical of a lying APer. Watch
for your yellow-belly backing-out to be highlighted in GT an a few
weeks! you're beginning to be a celebrity to them!

I don't know him, so, no, I didn't mean him. If you had been at

the

Tuscany when they had their little fiasco you'd have seen around

100

APers all sitting at machines for the double jackpot promotion. In
only a few minutes lights were flashing everywhere as one jackpot
after another was hit. I think I could safely say 100% of these

APers

would laugh in your face. Of course, the casino cancelled the
promotion after only an hour as they quickly realized they were

going

to lose much more than they had planned. It wouldn't be too far

off

to say they lost 40 thousand in that hour alone.

Here's an example of selective disfunction that all APer's are
affected by. They regularly get POUNDED by me for being weak-kneed
fools and addicts who chase promotion after promotion to the beck
and call of every casino manager in town. Yet when one of them makes
a mistake--probably less than .1% of the time--you feel empowered to
pull it out as an example of AP-prowess, when all it shows is
ignorance and weakness for all the sloppy, fat, and K-Mart dressed
fools who pretend to "play with an edge".

> You mean like how you've asked all of them to provide just ONE
piece
> of evidence to prove their claims that they've won? Or wait a
minute!-
> -Do you want to take the easy way out again and say they HAD to
have
> won because they said they are all AP'S and the math says they
should
> win?? Again, you live on theory and I live in the REAL WORLD!!
> HELLO....Anybody home in there McFLY??!

Translation: Robbie doesn't have ONE piece of evidence. However, I
just gave a situation above where it was obvious that APers won

big.

You always say that when you take a big hit. Go ahead, here's
another opportunity to PROVE any and all AP's win. No theory--actual
proof. Written proof. That stupid thing at Tuscany proves nothing
but a casino error. And I'll bet most of you went home broke anyway,
since NONE of you know how to quit when there's a vp machine in
sight.

> Yeah right. Couldn't possibly be that they need an INCOME now,
could
> it??

There is no way of knowing for sure one way or the other. OTOH,

the

mathematics makes it clear that it is MUCH MORE LIKELY they did

not

need it.

You stick with your useless, meaningless theories and I'll stick
with common sense.

> You know, at least I come right out and say most vp players are

low-

> lifes who are grossly fat and sloppily dressed, and who have
drinking
> problems. I see it and verify it all the time and talk to many

of

> them about it. But you think they're all dumber than you but you
> really don't know, so you throw out assertions that you won't

have

to
> prove because there's no way to prove it. But hey, stick with

the

> Dick theory. BTW--I've got more degrees than you and I'm a real

EE.

> that's why I wasn't a lowly programmer who uses his declining

years

> trying to pretend he was something in his younger days - aka,

punch

> card heaven!

Short answer was "NO", Robbie. So, you can't do simple

arithmentic.

Not surprising at all. I used the term "combinatorial arithmetic"
just to see what you would do. All it requires is a little

addition,

subtraction, mutiplication and division.

???

> Here's a flash! The "math" is incapable of caring!!

In other words, you agree that math provides the correct answer
without caring whether it produces winners or losers. Therefore,

my last sentence was TRUE.

95% of my play strategy is based on that math, while the remainder
is based on common sense-driven risk analysis formulas for short-
term expectations. Your "combinatorial arithmetic" wouldn't begin to
suffice for the complex calculus calculations that went into
developing those, and based on what I see here and have seen from
you in the past, I strongly suspect you'd be lost as well.

LMAO. Changing the subject won't work. You know as well as I do

that

a forum would be the perfect place for those who have tried your
system to return and state they lost. Most people promoting a

winning

technique would want feedback, those promoting a con clearly don't
want feedback. I rest my case.

So exactly how many people have come on vpFREE saying they've LOST
playing my strategy?? That's the most populated forum around, and
those are the people who receive to my e-newssletter. Your paranoia
about me and my strategy is abundantly evident every time someone
comes on and says they've used it and won. You immediately
say "Don't listen to him anyone--it's Rob using an ALIAS!!" You're
your own worst enemy when it comes to me. You lay yourself out there
for a whooping almost every time!

Dancer's large win at the MGM is well documented

And so is his returning over and over again to play on the $100
machines since there were no thrills to be found at lower
denominations. Why do you think he said "I won $1million in 6
months"? You're either incredibly gullible, in dire need of a hero,
or you added his fantasy in with yours so play time at the machines
could be better tolerated. In many ways--although not as exciting a
story or interesting to long-term strategy addicts--my overall
results put his to shame. It sounds far better to be able to
say "I'm ahead just over $855,000 in 10 years from the machines
alone, along with countless dollars in value from all the slot club
fluff that the gurus, supposed experts and APer's need to add into
their totals in order to lie about winning each year".

  Jean and Brad's latest big wins were

also verified by several others present. So, you didn't "miss it",
you just ignore it due to severe jealousy.

And they're "announcements" play right into your hands....until I
come along with the truth. And where was Jean's big mouth before
both wins? Remember, she admitted she's a loser since 2000?? I kinda
T-H-I-N-K you might want to re-examine who's jealous of whom!

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