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Majority opinions

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

rockofjello333 wrote:

> Well, in the last few days, I have been called a bigot, an idiot,
> several other things I didn't bother to recall; had my intelligence
> questioned, opinions flung my way re what type of person I am (not
> complimentary), etc. etc. All because I rendered an opinion that
> BTW, many of the acid-spitters misread and misconstrued.

Just an observation (which doesn't have direct bearing on your
comments in this particular post).

That you should find yourself in the minority in views on a discussion
is no reason, in and of itself, to change your view. But when you
realize that you are in a minority, it's good cause to challenge your
own views and weigh them against the rationality of others.

Actually Harry, one of my most reliable litmus tests about whether a
given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is that
if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong.
Furthermore, the greater the proportion of persons that hold that
opinion (vis a vis the dissenters), the greater the chance that that
opinion is wrong. Witness: the earth is flat, the earth is the
center of the solar system, the heart is the center of the
intellect, tomatoes are poisonous, alchemy, and the belief that when
red comes up nine times running on the roulette wheel, that black
is "due". All viewpoints and beliefs--and I could make a much longer
list--thst were or still are held by a (sometimes vast) majority of
the population, and all flat-out WRONG.
So to adress your point directly, when I find a majority of people
disagreeing with my viewpoint on a controversial issue, I find that
rather comforting. The fact is, most people use intuition rather
than reason to solve problems, an attitude I blame directly on
organized religion and its millenium-old antirational,
antiscientific stance. Look at how many truths about the gambling
milieu are counterintuitive, for example, and how many people
therefore refuse to believe them--and keep on losing money.

I don't think either one of your viewpoints hold water. Just
because the majority agrees with does not make you right and just
being in the minority opinion does not make you right.

For instance in the 1950s Civil Rights leaders were in the minority
opinion that African Americans should be treated equally and their
beliefs were ultimately accepted.

Just recently the Serbians against world opinion felt justified in
their ethnic cleansing campaigns in the Balkans and I think we can
all agree that ethnic cleansing is inhuman.

You are both wrong.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

> That you should find yourself in the minority in views on a discussion
> is no reason, in and of itself, to change your view. But when you
> realize that you are in a minority, it's good cause to challenge your
> own views and weigh them against the rationality of others.

<rockofjello333@y...> wrote:

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one of my most reliable litmus tests about whether a
given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is that
if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong.

IF I was a detective...

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----- Original Message -----
From: "rockofjello333" <rockofjello333@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Majority opinions

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...>
wrote:

> rockofjello333 wrote:

> > Well, in the last few days, I have been called a bigot, an idiot,
> > several other things I didn't bother to recall; had my intelligence
> > questioned, opinions flung my way re what type of person I am (not
> > complimentary), etc. etc. All because I rendered an opinion that
> > BTW, many of the acid-spitters misread and misconstrued.

> Just an observation (which doesn't have direct bearing on your
> comments in this particular post).
>
> That you should find yourself in the minority in views on a discussion
> is no reason, in and of itself, to change your view. But when you
> realize that you are in a minority, it's good cause to challenge your
> own views and weigh them against the rationality of others.

Actually Harry, one of my most reliable litmus tests about whether a
given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is that
if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong.
Furthermore, the greater the proportion of persons that hold that
opinion (vis a vis the dissenters), the greater the chance that that
opinion is wrong. Witness: the earth is flat, the earth is the
center of the solar system, the heart is the center of the
intellect, tomatoes are poisonous, alchemy, and the belief that when
red comes up nine times running on the roulette wheel, that black
is "due". All viewpoints and beliefs--and I could make a much longer
list--thst were or still are held by a (sometimes vast) majority of
the population, and all flat-out WRONG.
So to adress your point directly, when I find a majority of people
disagreeing with my viewpoint on a controversial issue, I find that
rather comforting. The fact is, most people use intuition rather
than reason to solve problems, an attitude I blame directly on
organized religion and its millenium-old antirational,
antiscientific stance. Look at how many truths about the gambling
milieu are counterintuitive, for example, and how many people
therefore refuse to believe them--and keep on losing money.

But can we all agree that there was ethnic cleansing
going on? Surely not me. Oh wait
CNN...USAToday...FoxNews...and MSNBC say its true...so
it MUST be true! My bad.

Steve B

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--- hansjurgent <hansjurgent16@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just recently the Serbians against world opinion
felt justified in
their ethnic cleansing campaigns in the Balkans and
I think we can
all agree that ethnic cleansing is inhuman.

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Rasti$ P. Rulz wrote:

IF I was a detective...

I'm almost certain I'll regret asking: "then what?"

- H.

There you go. This guy is trying to say that the Serbians weren't
the biggest perpetrators of ethnic cleansing.

Thanks for proving my point that just because you are in the
minority opinion doesn't mean you are right.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, steve bork <stevebork@y...> wrote:

--- hansjurgent <hansjurgent16@h...> wrote:

> Just recently the Serbians against world opinion
> felt justified in
> their ethnic cleansing campaigns in the Balkans and
> I think we can
> all agree that ethnic cleansing is inhuman.
>
But can we all agree that there was ethnic cleansing
going on? Surely not me. Oh wait
CNN...USAToday...FoxNews...and MSNBC say its true...so
it MUST be true! My bad.

Steve B

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"Actually Harry, one of my most reliable litmus tests about whether a
given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is that
if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong."

I've found most people think you're intelligent.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001"
<krajewski.sa@p...> wrote:

"Actually Harry, one of my most reliable litmus tests about

whether a

given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is

that

if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong."

I've found most people think you're intelligent.

And, undoubtedly, worldbefree, the majority also think you're

charming, and clever.
   IMHO, Harry is among the most lucid and clear-thinking members
currently posting INTELLIGENT and well thought out ideas.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001"
<krajewski.sa@p...> wrote:

"Actually Harry, one of my most reliable litmus tests about

whether a

given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is

that

if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong."

I've found most people think you're intelligent.

Heh. Cute. But I was of course only referring to issues where it was
in fact rational to agree or disagree. Obvious truths (or
falsehoods) aren't subject to debate. I'm sure that a majority of
people think that the sun rises in the east, and that cats have four
legs. And they're right!

Actually the earth rotates making it appear as if the sun rises in the east but it's true that all cats have four legs (except for Midnite our adopted stray). We enjoy your posts Harry. Russ H.

rockofjello333 <rockofjello333@yahoo.com> wrote:--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "worldbefree22001"
<krajewski.sa@p...> wrote:

"Actually Harry, one of my most reliable litmus tests about

whether a

given viewpoint is or will turn out to be "right" or "wrong" is

that

if a majority of people profess to hold a given opinion, that is
ipso facto an indication that said opinion IS in fact, wrong."

I've found most people think you're intelligent.

Heh. Cute. But I was of course only referring to issues where it was
in fact rational to agree or disagree. Obvious truths (or
falsehoods) aren't subject to debate. I'm sure that a majority of
people think that the sun rises in the east, and that cats have four
legs. And they're right!

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