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Majestic "100 Multi-Play" machines

#1

The one problem with this particular complaint is that the Majestic Star might decide to remove the games. I am sure they watch coin in and net win closely. I doubt that they can require anybody to wager a minimum of more than one coin in a VP game or slot. They could probably use a few more 5c fifty play games.
They probably have more good low limit (1c and 5c) VP than most LV casinos. One good thing however, is the big improvement in Trump's VP product (especially at the 25c level).

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----- Original Message -----
From: vp_nbi
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2/22/2004 4:58:05 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Majestic "100 Multi-Play" machines

I'm sure some of you have been annoyed with how these machines are
being utilized by some of the Majestic patrons. Specifically, I'm
refering to occasions where many are occupied by folks playing 5 hands
at a penny each while there is a crowd of people waiting to play the
machines at full capacity. And of course these folks are already
nailed to their seats at 7:00am from which they can't be pried loose
during the whole day.

Yesterday I finally had enough and filed a written complaint with the
on duty slots manager. He was very personable and seemed genuinely
interested in this issue. I suspect that when I provided a detailed
description of these incidents he immediately realized that this is a
scenario where the casino is losing substantial coin-in, not only
because of the underutilization but also because of disgruntled
customers that may not come back. I'm fairly confident that my
complaint will be reviewed by someone connected with VP policy, but it
certainly would be helpful if others speak up as well. If you're a
serious player who has been rankled by these incidents please take a
few minutes to bring it to the slots manager's attention on your next
visit. The form only takes a few minutes to fill out and with enough
documented complaints there may be sufficient impetus to generate
policy which will eliminate this problem for good.

On a different topic, I just returned from a 6 day tour of the Vegas
VP circuit. My VP comrade (another Majestic regular) and I toured all
the prime Vegas VP locations as identified by the vpFree database.
Some interesting observations and results. I hope to have a trip
report posted on vpFree within the next few days.

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#2

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"
<howard.w.stern@e...> wrote:

The one problem with this particular complaint is that the Majestic

Star might decide to remove the games. I am sure they watch coin in
and net win closely.

Then they would realize that these machines are frequently
underutilized. In fact the level of utilization is so poor that I
doubt it pays for the hardware and electricty, let alone the
floorspace it consumes. What can't be seen from examining the machine
stats/logs is whether people are waiting to play, which is a key
component of the problem. I find it difficult to believe that a casino
would purchase 100 play machines knowing that they would be
underutilized most of the time. Even if there is no direct cost
consequence from such underutilization, what is the revenue
consequence of losing customers who stop coming because they usually
can't find an available machine? If you're going to lose customers
then lose the ones playing a machine for $.05 a pop, not the ones
playing for $5.00.

I doubt that they can require anybody to wager a minimum of more than

one coin in a VP game or slot. They could probably use a few more 5c
fifty play games.

Casinos can and do require customers to limit their play to one
machine during busy periods. What I'm asking for is a reasonable
policy in the same spirit geared towards these 100 play machines.
Something to the effect of "Management reserves the right to limit
play on these machines to 50 or more concurrent hands unless player is
at the end of his/her session. If session is extended by purchase of
additional credits, any subsequent play must abide by the above rule."

They probably have more good low limit (1c and 5c) VP than most LV

casinos. One good thing however, is the big improvement in Trump's VP
product (especially at the 25c level).

I'll have to check out Trump. Haven't been in there in quite a while.
The last time I was there the air quality was extremely poor.

From: vp_nbi
To: vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 2/22/2004 4:58:05 PM
Subject: [vpFREE_Chicago] Majestic "100 Multi-Play" machines

I'm sure some of you have been annoyed with how these machines are
being utilized by some of the Majestic patrons. Specifically, I'm
refering to occasions where many are occupied by folks playing 5 hands
at a penny each while there is a crowd of people waiting to play the
machines at full capacity. And of course these folks are already
nailed to their seats at 7:00am from which they can't be pried loose
during the whole day.

Yesterday I finally had enough and filed a written complaint with the
on duty slots manager. He was very personable and seemed genuinely
interested in this issue. I suspect that when I provided a detailed
description of these incidents he immediately realized that this is a
scenario where the casino is losing substantial coin-in, not only
because of the underutilization but also because of disgruntled
customers that may not come back. I'm fairly confident that my
complaint will be reviewed by someone connected with VP policy, but it
certainly would be helpful if others speak up as well. If you're a
serious player who has been rankled by these incidents please take a
few minutes to bring it to the slots manager's attention on your next
visit. The form only takes a few minutes to fill out and with enough
documented complaints there may be sufficient impetus to generate
policy which will eliminate this problem for good.

On a different topic, I just returned from a 6 day tour of the Vegas
VP circuit. My VP comrade (another Majestic regular) and I toured all
the prime Vegas VP locations as identified by the vpFree database.
Some interesting observations and results. I hope to have a trip
report posted on vpFree within the next few days.

vpFREE Links:

http://www.west-point.org/users/usma1955/20228/VP/Links.htm

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#3

Casinos can and do require customers to limit their play to one
machine during busy periods. What I'm asking for is a reasonable
policy in the same spirit geared towards these 100 play machines.
Something to the effect of "Management reserves the right to limit
play on these machines to 50 or more concurrent hands unless player

is

at the end of his/her session. If session is extended by purchase of
additional credits, any subsequent play must abide by the above

rule."

I think that a policy like this, while it would fit your needs would
look too draconian to ever be posted publicly. A more like result
would be them removing the machines or increasing the denomination.

#4

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com,
"tooncesthecatwhocoulddriveacar" <tooncestdc@y...> wrote:

> Casinos can and do require customers to limit their play to one
> machine during busy periods. What I'm asking for is a reasonable
> policy in the same spirit geared towards these 100 play machines.
> Something to the effect of "Management reserves the right to limit
> play on these machines to 50 or more concurrent hands unless player
is
> at the end of his/her session. If session is extended by purchase of
> additional credits, any subsequent play must abide by the above
rule."

I think that a policy like this, while it would fit your needs would
look too draconian to ever be posted publicly. A more like result
would be them removing the machines or increasing the denomination.

Removal has been suggested before, but I think the casino would
explore other options first to protect its capital investments.
Apparently I was typing too quickly and left out the words "during
busy periods" from my suggested policy. Hopefully this qualification
would make it less "draconian". And this isn't just for my "needs",
many players have grumbled over this. In fact a fistfight almost broke
out once between players waiting to get a seat. When I looked at the
machines I realized that what got their ire up probably wasn't each
other, but having to wait for bozos to complete their 5 hands at a
penny each.