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M/S October coupons-I called MS

#1

I just called M/S. Jessica Mayeaux is the data base manager but is gone for
the day. I spoke with Karen, casino host, who explained the delay and two
month business. She also explained that the earned points have nothing to do with
the coupons. You will get more in your coupons if you play slots than video
poker (different formula used) as vp is a game of skill (her word) and if you
lose. My coupons are only $75x4 because in August I had an average win of $202
per visit (yeah me).
So another case of having good news and bads news and it being the same
news.....
If you want bigger coupons, play the slots and lose money at whatever you
play.

In a message dated 9/27/2004 4:55:25 PM Central Standard Time,
jaydavidson118@yahoo.com writes:

I received my Oct. coupons today, the earliest I have ever received
monthly coupons, and got exactly what I got in Sept. $250 x 4 plus
$50 koko's, and 3x points Oct. 10-22. I have received 6 set of
monthly coupons from MS, and they have all been in pairs e.g. first
two months 4 x $125, next two months 4x $100 plus 1 $50, and finally
4 x $250, my play has been fairly steady, with the exception that I
played considerabley more during the 5x point days in Aug. and Sept.,
probably doubled my played during those periods. The one thing I
wonder about people who have negative volatility in their cash back,
do you change the amount that you bet per hand. I know that I mostly
play .01 slots and never bet less than $2.50 per hand, always play
max. om 5x days. I know some of you try to game the machines in
having a betting system that changes the amount of the be bet
depending on previous hands, could this gaming of the machines be
affecting your monthly cahc back by lowering your average bet. I
suspect that somewhere around $2.50 ave. be is key to getting the
higher cashback, along with a reasonable amount of time and total
play. I know my total amount of play has not been that high, but I do
make a conscience effert to keep may average bet above $2.50.

I welcome other people sharing their experience. the more information
we have the better it will be for all of us...Let's try to crack the
cashback code!

I too received my coupons today and saw a drop of $75/week when in
fact there should have been an increase.

Either the information reported about coupons being based on 2

months

with a 1 month delay are incorrect and/or MS just screwed up
horrendously on the coupons. Supposedly these coupons are based on
July and August, but I gave MS the most monthly action ever in July
and suffered substantial losses to boot. In fact I gave them more
action in July then most people give them in a year and that's what
resulted in earning my SuperStar card. I think it may be time for a
call to MS to obtain some answers.

.

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--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:

#2

I don't think it is helpful if when people compare bb cash to get an
idea of what triggers high bb cash the person who is shorted calls MS
to complain. Perhaps MS will decide to be like Harrah's and just give
everyone lousy cashback, all the time. I do think it is helpful if we
compare situations on this board, so that over time we could decypher
the code, but if I feel that I am putting my future cashback in
jeopardy by sharing this information I will stop doing so. I think
infomation on the board should stay on this board

I just called M/S. Jessica Mayeaux is the data base manager but is

gone for

the day. I spoke with Karen, casino host, who explained the delay

and two

month business. She also explained that the earned points have

nothing to do with

the coupons. You will get more in your coupons if you play slots

than video

poker (different formula used) as vp is a game of skill (her word)

and if you

lose. My coupons are only $75x4 because in August I had an average

win of $202

per visit (yeah me).
So another case of having good news and bads news and it being the

same

news.....
If you want bigger coupons, play the slots and lose money at

whatever you

play.

In a message dated 9/27/2004 4:55:25 PM Central Standard Time,
jaydavidson118@y... writes:

I received my Oct. coupons today, the earliest I have ever received
monthly coupons, and got exactly what I got in Sept. $250 x 4 plus
$50 koko's, and 3x points Oct. 10-22. I have received 6 set of
monthly coupons from MS, and they have all been in pairs e.g.

first

two months 4 x $125, next two months 4x $100 plus 1 $50, and

finally

4 x $250, my play has been fairly steady, with the exception that I
played considerabley more during the 5x point days in Aug. and

Sept.,

probably doubled my played during those periods. The one thing I
wonder about people who have negative volatility in their cash

back,

do you change the amount that you bet per hand. I know that I

mostly

play .01 slots and never bet less than $2.50 per hand, always play
max. om 5x days. I know some of you try to game the machines in
having a betting system that changes the amount of the be bet
depending on previous hands, could this gaming of the machines be
affecting your monthly cahc back by lowering your average bet. I
suspect that somewhere around $2.50 ave. be is key to getting the
higher cashback, along with a reasonable amount of time and total
play. I know my total amount of play has not been that high, but I

do

make a conscience effert to keep may average bet above $2.50.

I welcome other people sharing their experience. the more

information

we have the better it will be for all of us...Let's try to crack

the

cashback code!

> I too received my coupons today and saw a drop of $75/week when in
> fact there should have been an increase.
>
> Either the information reported about coupons being based on 2
months
> with a 1 month delay are incorrect and/or MS just screwed up
> horrendously on the coupons. Supposedly these coupons are based on
> July and August, but I gave MS the most monthly action ever in

July

> and suffered substantial losses to boot. In fact I gave them more
> action in July then most people give them in a year and that's

what

> resulted in earning my SuperStar card. I think it may be time for

a

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--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, Opzop2wah@a... wrote:

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:
> call to MS to obtain some answers.
>
> .

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#3

I just called M/S. Jessica Mayeaux is the data base manager but is

gone for

the day. I spoke with Karen, casino host, who explained the delay

and two

month business. She also explained that the earned points have

nothing to do with

the coupons. You will get more in your coupons if you play slots

than video

poker (different formula used) as vp is a game of skill (her word)

and if you

lose. My coupons are only $75x4 because in August I had an average

win of $202

per visit (yeah me).
So another case of having good news and bads news and it being the same
news.....
If you want bigger coupons, play the slots and lose money at

whatever you

play.

As Data said on occasion - nonsequitor!
Most of us participating in this thread are vp only players. And we're
trying to get this nailed down for vp only players. Injecting slots
into the discussion is hokum and just obscures the issue.

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--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, Opzop2wah@a... wrote:

In a message dated 9/27/2004 4:55:25 PM Central Standard Time,
jaydavidson118@y... writes:

I received my Oct. coupons today, the earliest I have ever received
monthly coupons, and got exactly what I got in Sept. $250 x 4 plus
$50 koko's, and 3x points Oct. 10-22. I have received 6 set of
monthly coupons from MS, and they have all been in pairs e.g. first
two months 4 x $125, next two months 4x $100 plus 1 $50, and finally
4 x $250, my play has been fairly steady, with the exception that I
played considerabley more during the 5x point days in Aug. and Sept.,
probably doubled my played during those periods. The one thing I
wonder about people who have negative volatility in their cash back,
do you change the amount that you bet per hand. I know that I mostly
play .01 slots and never bet less than $2.50 per hand, always play
max. om 5x days. I know some of you try to game the machines in
having a betting system that changes the amount of the be bet
depending on previous hands, could this gaming of the machines be
affecting your monthly cahc back by lowering your average bet. I
suspect that somewhere around $2.50 ave. be is key to getting the
higher cashback, along with a reasonable amount of time and total
play. I know my total amount of play has not been that high, but I do
make a conscience effert to keep may average bet above $2.50.

I welcome other people sharing their experience. the more information
we have the better it will be for all of us...Let's try to crack the
cashback code!

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:
> I too received my coupons today and saw a drop of $75/week when in
> fact there should have been an increase.
>
> Either the information reported about coupons being based on 2
months
> with a 1 month delay are incorrect and/or MS just screwed up
> horrendously on the coupons. Supposedly these coupons are based on
> July and August, but I gave MS the most monthly action ever in July
> and suffered substantial losses to boot. In fact I gave them more
> action in July then most people give them in a year and that's what
> resulted in earning my SuperStar card. I think it may be time for a
> call to MS to obtain some answers.
>
> .

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#4

Before you get too bent out of shape, something you might wish to
consider is this: Some people attend MS more than others. If you're a
frequent visitor and give MS a lot of action and happen to notice that
some of the coupon beneficiaries are rarely ever there when you are
then you have a right to be miffed. And that being the case such a
person would probably contact MS of their own accord regardless of
whether or not they've been following this thread. Just because they
did read or contribute to this thread in any way doesn't mean they
don't have a legitimate beef. Should all the people who have evidence
that they're being shorted just stay mum so you can enjoy the benefits
of what might be an oversight? When you start making up their
shortfall out of your pocket that's when the answer might become yes.

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "jaydavidson118"
<jaydavidson118@y...> wrote:

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I don't think it is helpful if when people compare bb cash to get an
idea of what triggers high bb cash the person who is shorted calls MS
to complain. Perhaps MS will decide to be like Harrah's and just give
everyone lousy cashback, all the time. I do think it is helpful if we
compare situations on this board, so that over time we could decypher
the code, but if I feel that I am putting my future cashback in
jeopardy by sharing this information I will stop doing so. I think
infomation on the board should stay on this board

--- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, Opzop2wah@a... wrote:
> I just called M/S. Jessica Mayeaux is the data base manager but is
gone for
> the day. I spoke with Karen, casino host, who explained the delay
and two
> month business. She also explained that the earned points have
nothing to do with
> the coupons. You will get more in your coupons if you play slots
than video
> poker (different formula used) as vp is a game of skill (her word)
and if you
> lose. My coupons are only $75x4 because in August I had an average
win of $202
> per visit (yeah me).
> So another case of having good news and bads news and it being the
same
> news.....
> If you want bigger coupons, play the slots and lose money at
whatever you
> play.
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/27/2004 4:55:25 PM Central Standard Time,
> jaydavidson118@y... writes:
>
> I received my Oct. coupons today, the earliest I have ever received
> monthly coupons, and got exactly what I got in Sept. $250 x 4 plus
> $50 koko's, and 3x points Oct. 10-22. I have received 6 set of
> monthly coupons from MS, and they have all been in pairs e.g.
first
> two months 4 x $125, next two months 4x $100 plus 1 $50, and
finally
> 4 x $250, my play has been fairly steady, with the exception that I
> played considerabley more during the 5x point days in Aug. and
Sept.,
> probably doubled my played during those periods. The one thing I
> wonder about people who have negative volatility in their cash
back,
> do you change the amount that you bet per hand. I know that I
mostly
> play .01 slots and never bet less than $2.50 per hand, always play
> max. om 5x days. I know some of you try to game the machines in
> having a betting system that changes the amount of the be bet
> depending on previous hands, could this gaming of the machines be
> affecting your monthly cahc back by lowering your average bet. I
> suspect that somewhere around $2.50 ave. be is key to getting the
> higher cashback, along with a reasonable amount of time and total
> play. I know my total amount of play has not been that high, but I
do
> make a conscience effert to keep may average bet above $2.50.
>
> I welcome other people sharing their experience. the more
information
> we have the better it will be for all of us...Let's try to crack
the
> cashback code!
>
> --- In vpFREE_Chicago@yahoogroups.com, "vp_nbi" <nbi@w...> wrote:
> > I too received my coupons today and saw a drop of $75/week when in
> > fact there should have been an increase.
> >
> > Either the information reported about coupons being based on 2
> months
> > with a 1 month delay are incorrect and/or MS just screwed up
> > horrendously on the coupons. Supposedly these coupons are based on
> > July and August, but I gave MS the most monthly action ever in
July
> > and suffered substantial losses to boot. In fact I gave them more
> > action in July then most people give them in a year and that's
what
> > resulted in earning my SuperStar card. I think it may be time for
a
> > call to MS to obtain some answers.
> >
> > .
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]