The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
Triple Spin
Spin Poker
Super Times Pay
Quick Quads
All Star Poker
Ultimate 4 of a Kind
Ultimate X Poker
Multi Strike
Spin Poker with Dream Card
3/5 Play with Dream Card
Super Triple Play
3/5 Play
Can anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
Thank you
Paul Bedo
Jacks or better are now ALL GONE at M.
They took out the last three machines last night.
Nothing much to play there now other than bonus poker.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bedo <pbedo@...> wrote:
The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
Triple Spin
Spin Poker
Super Times Pay
Quick Quads
All Star Poker
Ultimate 4 of a Kind
Ultimate X Poker
Multi Strike
Spin Poker with Dream Card
3/5 Play with Dream Card
Super Triple Play
3/5 PlayCan anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
Thank you
Paul Bedo
Are you sure they removed all JOB or just the 3 that you could play for $1?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@...> wrote:
Jacks or better are now ALL GONE at M.
They took out the last three machines last night.
Nothing much to play there now other than bonus poker.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bedo <pbedo@> wrote:
>
> The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
>
> New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
>
> Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
> Triple Spin
> Spin Poker
> Super Times Pay
> Quick Quads
> All Star Poker
> Ultimate 4 of a Kind
> Ultimate X Poker
> Multi Strike
> Spin Poker with Dream Card
> 3/5 Play with Dream Card
> Super Triple Play
> 3/5 Play
>
> Can anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> Paul Bedo
>
I find hit hard to believe that all JOB machines have been removed! I will check this out this morning. Now I am very curious as to what is going on over there.
Do they still have Dueces Wild?
The High Limit Salon listed below is from their website, and I think that has been like that for awhile.
-----Original Message-----
From: irdd3000 <irdd@netzero.net>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:06 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: M Resorts
Are you sure they removed all JOB or just the 3 that you could play for $1?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@...> wrote:
Jacks or better are now ALL GONE at M.
They took out the last three machines last night.
Nothing much to play there now other than bonus poker.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bedo <pbedo@> wrote:
>
> The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
>
> New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
>
> Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
> Triple Spin
> Spin Poker
> Super Times Pay
> Quick Quads
> All Star Poker
> Ultimate 4 of a Kind
> Ultimate X Poker
> Multi Strike
> Spin Poker with Dream Card
> 3/5 Play with Dream Card
> Super Triple Play
> 3/5 Play
>
> Can anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> Paul Bedo
>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Not exactly removed, just changed the ay table from 9/6 to 9/5 making them unplayable.
You will always find machines that SAY jacks or better, but 9/6 is the standard. anything lower is no longer playable.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "irdd3000" <irdd@...> wrote:
Are you sure they removed all JOB or just the 3 that you could play for $1?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@> wrote:
>
> Jacks or better are now ALL GONE at M.
> They took out the last three machines last night.
> Nothing much to play there now other than bonus poker.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bedo <pbedo@> wrote:
> >
> > The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
> >
> > New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
> >
> > Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
> > Triple Spin
> > Spin Poker
> > Super Times Pay
> > Quick Quads
> > All Star Poker
> > Ultimate 4 of a Kind
> > Ultimate X Poker
> > Multi Strike
> > Spin Poker with Dream Card
> > 3/5 Play with Dream Card
> > Super Triple Play
> > 3/5 Play
> >
> > Can anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> > Paul Bedo
> >
>
If you like single line 8/5 bonus poker that is the "best" game there.
If you want to play $1 triple play,+ there may be some other variant games in High Limit, that are not eligible for double points, but all the multi line games are short pays on the casino floor. There are a few progressives left. But it is a sad day, when the casino is "worried" about THREE machines. Not even full all the time. Nothing I could find at `100%. They are taking out more and more video poker and replacing them with slots.
Great casino for food, gifts, rooms and pool but not for gambling.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, denbalog@... wrote:
I find hit hard to believe that all JOB machines have been removed! I will check this out this morning. Now I am very curious as to what is going on over there.
Do they still have Dueces Wild?
The High Limit Salon listed below is from their website, and I think that has been like that for awhile.
-----Original Message-----
From: irdd3000 <irdd@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:06 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: M ResortsAre you sure they removed all JOB or just the 3 that you could play for $1?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@> wrote:
>
> Jacks or better are now ALL GONE at M.
> They took out the last three machines last night.
> Nothing much to play there now other than bonus poker.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bedo <pbedo@> wrote:
> >
> > The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
> >
> > New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
> >
> > Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
> > Triple Spin
> > Spin Poker
> > Super Times Pay
> > Quick Quads
> > All Star Poker
> > Ultimate 4 of a Kind
> > Ultimate X Poker
> > Multi Strike
> > Spin Poker with Dream Card
> > 3/5 Play with Dream Card
> > Super Triple Play
> > 3/5 Play
> >
> > Can anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> > Paul Bedo
> >
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
You got that right!
GVR went bad in a similar way just about one year ago. Most of the regulars left and went elsewhere. That was very sad. They (GVR) also changed their Casino Host Theory.
And all that was very bad for GVR.
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg <Judy@realtor.com>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:39 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: M Resorts
If you like single line 8/5 bonus poker that is the "best" game there.
If you want to play $1 triple play,+ there may be some other variant games in High Limit, that are not eligible for double points, but all the multi line games are short pays on the casino floor. There are a few progressives left. But it is a sad day, when the casino is "worried" about THREE machines. Not even full all the time. Nothing I could find at `100%. They are taking out more and more video poker and replacing them with slots.
Great casino for food, gifts, rooms and pool but not for gambling.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, denbalog@... wrote:
I find hit hard to believe that all JOB machines have been removed! I will check this out this morning. Now I am very curious as to what is going on over there.
Do they still have Dueces Wild?
The High Limit Salon listed below is from their website, and I think that has been like that for awhile.
-----Original Message-----
From: irdd3000 <irdd@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:06 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: M ResortsAre you sure they removed all JOB or just the 3 that you could play for $1?
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@> wrote:
>
> Jacks or better are now ALL GONE at M.
> They took out the last three machines last night.
> Nothing much to play there now other than bonus poker.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Paul Bedo <pbedo@> wrote:
> >
> > The M Resorts is advertising the addition of
> >
> > New Video Poker Action Games with the pay tables you want.
> >
> > Play them all in the comfort and convenience of our HIGH LIMIT SALON
> > Triple Spin
> > Spin Poker
> > Super Times Pay
> > Quick Quads
> > All Star Poker
> > Ultimate 4 of a Kind
> > Ultimate X Poker
> > Multi Strike
> > Spin Poker with Dream Card
> > 3/5 Play with Dream Card
> > Super Triple Play
> > 3/5 Play
> >
> > Can anyone verify if they have 3/5 Play full pay Jacks or Better.
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> >
> > Paul Bedo
> >
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I received a phone call from a host at M last week and she was inviting me to come stay at the M. She said her records showed that I had stopped by there one afternoon shortly after they opened and I had given them some pretty good play. I told her that I really liked the place, but their good VP was all removed and there was nothing to play anymore. I told her that I would be coming to Vegas over the 4th, but I would be staying someplace with better VP games. She seemed absolutely clueless about what I was saying although she did ask if I was talking about the pay tables. She talked about all of the good games that they had and that I should come by and visit. I didn't go into it in any depth but just said they would have to get some games where my money would last longer if I am going to go back.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, denbalog@... wrote:
You got that right!
GVR went bad in a similar way just about one year ago. Most of the regulars left and went elsewhere. That was very sad. They (GVR) also changed their Casino Host Theory.
And all that was very bad for GVR.
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg <Judy@...>
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 22, 2010 7:39 am
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: M ResortsIf you like single line 8/5 bonus poker that is the "best" game there.
If you want to play $1 triple play,+ there may be some other variant games in High Limit, that are not eligible for double points, but all the multi line games are short pays on the casino floor. There are a few progressives left. But it is a sad day, when the casino is "worried" about THREE machines. Not even full all the time. Nothing I could find at `100%. They are taking out more and more video poker and replacing them with slots.
Great casino for food, gifts, rooms and pool but not for gambling.
9/6 JOB at the quarter level are still there...
While the VP inventory is pretty poor these days, the M still has some great gambling opportunities for knowledgable advantage players. These include awesome BJ rules (on some tables) and in game wagering at the sportsbook.
There are a couple of others that come to mind, but I'm going to keep quite about those.
My point is that just because a casino's VP sucks, it doesn't mean that there are no other +EV plays.
With the continued VP downgrading across the industry, it may no longer be enough to know several VP games. Nowadays, it is more important than ever to know how to find and take advantage of non VP opportunities.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@...> wrote:
> Great casino for food, gifts, rooms and pool but not for gambling.
But of course, this is VPfree, not Blackjackfree, so of course the discussion is based, as it should be, on the VP plays.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Hogua" <ckonwin@...> wrote:
While the VP inventory is pretty poor these days, the M still has some great gambling opportunities for knowledgable advantage players. These include awesome BJ rules (on some tables) and in game wagering at the sportsbook.
There are a couple of others that come to mind, but I'm going to keep quite about those.
My point is that just because a casino's VP sucks, it doesn't mean that there are no other +EV plays.
With the continued VP downgrading across the industry, it may no longer be enough to know several VP games. Nowadays, it is more important than ever to know how to find and take advantage of non VP opportunities.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@> wrote:
>
> > Great casino for food, gifts, rooms and pool but not for gambling.
9/6 JOB at the quarter level are still there...
Would you please tell us the location of the machines,
Thanks, RG
----- Original Message ----- From: "irdd3000" <irdd@netzero.net>
WHERE? THEY CHANGED THE PAT TABLE TO 9/5 in all the locations I could see.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "irdd3000" <irdd@...> wrote:
9/6 JOB at the quarter level are still there...
uprights at the other end of the table games from where the $1 JOB were...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Gordon" <theolflash@...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: "irdd3000" <irdd@...>> 9/6 JOB at the quarter level are still there...
Would you please tell us the location of the machines,
Thanks, RG
>
>
>
>>
Agreed, but the post to which I replied said the M was great "but not for GAMBLING". "GFambling, includes much more than playing VP.
If the post only referenced how poor the VP inventory at M has become, I wouldn't have said a thing.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "caribou321" <caribou321@...> wrote:
But of course, this is VPfree, not Blackjackfree, so of course the discussion is based, as it should be, on the VP plays.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Hogua" <ckonwin@> wrote:
>
> While the VP inventory is pretty poor these days, the M still has some great gambling opportunities for knowledgable advantage players. These include awesome BJ rules (on some tables) and in game wagering at the sportsbook.
>
> There are a couple of others that come to mind, but I'm going to keep quite about those.
>
> My point is that just because a casino's VP sucks, it doesn't mean that there are no other +EV plays.
>
> With the continued VP downgrading across the industry, it may no longer be enough to know several VP games. Nowadays, it is more important than ever to know how to find and take advantage of non VP opportunities.
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Greg" <Judy@> wrote:
> >
> > > Great casino for food, gifts, rooms and pool but not for gambling.
>
Correct me if I'm wrong. I was always under the impression that Las Vegas locals casinos were unlike any other casinos ( including the Strip), in that they were heavily driven by VP play. If that's the case and these local casinos continue to downgrade or remove playable games and are seeing these moves bringing a marked decrease in revenue, then why are they still doing it ?
Am I missing something ?
Larry Feldman
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, denbalog@... wrote:
You got that right!
GVR went bad in a similar way just about one year ago. Most of the regulars left and went elsewhere. That was very sad. They (GVR) also changed their Casino Host Theory.
And all that was very bad for GVR.
When you compare the VP, BJ, food and drink specials, promotions and the simple ease of getting in and out of the locals places and the "Fabulous Strip" you can see there is no comparison in value.
One example-there is not a single 9-6 JOB machine on the Strip under $5 a spin. Zero.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lfcmja@..." <lfcmja@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, denbalog@ wrote:
>
>
> You got that right!
>
> GVR went bad in a similar way just about one year ago. Most of the regulars left and went elsewhere. That was very sad. They (GVR) also changed their Casino Host Theory.
>
> And all that was very bad for GVR.Correct me if I'm wrong. I was always under the impression that Las Vegas locals casinos were unlike any other casinos ( including the Strip), in that they were heavily driven by VP play. If that's the case and these local casinos continue to downgrade or remove playable games and are seeing these moves bringing a marked decrease in revenue, then why are they still doing it ?
Am I missing something ?Larry Feldman
Not really. It would take a very long time to fully explain it, but the
quick answer is that almost everyone running a casino in Las Vegas grew up
in the industry. "Common Knowledge" is, at least in this case, extremely
limited and all these guys have the same assumptions about what is "right"
and "wrong" to do. The very gross example is treating modern machines like
the old single-line slots. They think that it is correct to give your
highest theoretical return on your highest denomination machines. This
doesn't actually work anymore in slots since a nominal penny game might cost
$5 or more per pull at full coin, more than single line dollar machines did.
Look at how many casinos (almost all?) that have their highest return VP at
the highest denoms, at least those that are not nominal 100% games. But they
really don't understand the economics or risks of various games. Add that to
the fact that many slot directors and GM's come from Harrah's with the
philosophy of having mediocre returns on ALL machines on the floor.
Unless we can overcome "common knowledge" and find management that actually
can follow solid business strategies the locals casinos will continue to
deteriorate and many will end up going out of business.
Bill
Correct me if I'm wrong. I was always under the impression that Las Vegas
locals casinos were unlike any other casinos ( including the Strip), in that
they were heavily driven by VP play. If that's the case and these local
casinos continue to downgrade or remove playable games and are seeing these
moves bringing a marked decrease in revenue, then why are they still doing
it ?
Am I missing something ?
Larry Feldman