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M. Prog. - Was: Seats added at M

#1

Just to pose a counterpoint, I find the concept of "short term risk of ruin" very helpful in my planning a recreational trip. I start with a specific pay-table, the number of hands I would like to play and the denomination at which I would like to play. Using software like Dunbar's or Video Poker for Winners, I can compute what my bankroll should be for a reasonable "short term risk of ruin" for that trip (0.1%, 1%, 5%, 10%, whatever). I find that by doing this, I have confidence that I can satisfy my playing goals, and the bankroll that I should have with me.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai Sai" <gofastnismo@...> wrote:

Rec players don't want to worry about Risk of Ruin they want to have a good time and a good shot.

#2

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So let me pose a question/counterpoint of my own.

Assuming someone is a so-called recreational player. If that player is only interested in surviving, having some fun, and taking a shot in the SHORT TERM, then if 9-6 JoB is the type of game this player enjoys playing, does it really matter if the casino offers 9-5 JoB instead? Or 8-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe? Or any game in the 98.5 to 98.9 range? Doesn't a game like that basically provide the same kind of thrill for the short term player that a full pay 9-6 JoB would offer? And with basically the same chance of hitting a royal in that short term?

And if the player likes NSU at 99.73%, then wouldn't he also like PNSU at 98.9% just as well? Or isn't a 9-6 DDB 98.9 just as good as a 10-6 DDB?

So if a player is only interested in recreational play in the short term, that player shouldn't be disappointed if the best machines the casino offers are in fact in that 98.5-98.9 range. And in that case, why ask the casino to bring back full pay schedules like the old days? The old days are gone. I think it is unrealistic to EXPECT the casinos to continue putting out machines that don't make much money for them. But in my opinion there will ALWAYS be plenty of 98.5-98.9 games available for the recreational player. So everyone should be happy.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:

Just to pose a counterpoint, I find the concept of "short term risk of ruin" very helpful in my planning a recreational trip.

#3

It is a matter of required bankroll. Playing 9/5 JOB (or any other 98.5-98.9% game), instead of 9/6 JOB, requires a larger bankroll to play the same number of hands. It may be a small amount, but it does matter (at least to me it does).

As someone else noted, recreational players are not (always) idiots. I try to wring as much out of our gambling budgets as I can. I seek out the best paytables I can find, in concert with where I want to play. The short term risk of ruin computation tells me how much I should bring to play the number of hands I want to.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:

So let me pose a question/counterpoint of my own.

Assuming someone is a so-called recreational player. If that player is only interested in surviving, having some fun, and taking a shot in the SHORT TERM, then if 9-6 JoB is the type of game this player enjoys playing, does it really matter if the casino offers 9-5 JoB instead? Or 8-6 Bonus Poker Deluxe? Or any game in the 98.5 to 98.9 range?

#4

Well I don't play 98.5-98.9 games either. I'm just wondering what the big incentive is for casinos to put in 99+ games that come close to break-even when including benefits and when played by competent players. Especially when the casino has already made a conscious effort to remove them. Sure, I think they're going to be around for a long time still, but as I've noted elsewhere the game is changing and will continue to change. I'm looking at these Franknbob machines like they represent "hope" for the future.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <bornloser1537@...> wrote:

It is a matter of required bankroll. Playing 9/5 JOB (or any other 98.5-98.9% game), instead of 9/6 JOB, requires a larger bankroll to play the same number of hands. It may be a small amount, but it does matter (at least to me it does).

As someone else noted, recreational players are not (always) idiots. I try to wring as much out of our gambling budgets as I can. I seek out the best paytables I can find, in concert with where I want to play. The short term risk of ruin computation tells me how much I should bring to play the number of hands I want to.