In a message dated 11/27/2004 9:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jackessiebabe@yahoo.com writes:
garner those nice tokes
My friends who deal are not so very impressed by 'those nice tokes..' but
they don't work at the very high-end Strip casinos.
Karen
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In a message dated 11/27/2004 9:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jackessiebabe@y... writes:> garner those nice tokes
>My friends who deal are not so very impressed by 'those nice
tokes..' but
they don't work at the very high-end Strip casinos.
Karen
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Hi Karen,
I'm sorry your dealer friends have encountered deadbeats! I presume
they are pleasant to the players and do their job well. It's really
a shame, since we are all cognizant of the fact that dealers rely
heavily on toking to make a decent living, that some players are so
thoughtless.
It's even worse that the casinos are allowed to pay their dealers so
poorly, that they put them in the unenviable position of
needing "hand-outs" in order to make ends meet.
BTW, while I only play downtown, not at "fancy" strip casinos, I
ALWAYS place a bet for the dealer at table games, after I've won a
few hands in a row. I also tip nicely for handpays, and even tip
the casino cashier if I'm cashing in a big ticket, or a large bucket
of coins. This always elicits a big smile and a friendly "Good
Luck" from the recepient. Not to mention, that just about all the
casino employees remember me from trip to trip, and greet me with
genuine warmth. This makes the casino experience much more pleasant
for me.
Anyway, many hand-pays to all, and subsequent nice tokes to the
employee who delivers the money.
Babe
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, krallison416@a... wrote:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
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> In a message dated 11/27/2004 9:11:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> jackessiebabe@y... writes:
>
> > garner those nice tokes
> >
>
> My friends who deal are not so very impressed by 'those nice
tokes..' but
> they don't work at the very high-end Strip casinos.
>
> Karen
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> ==========================>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi Karen,
I'm sorry your dealer friends have encountered deadbeats! I
presume
they are pleasant to the players and do their job well. It's
really
a shame, since we are all cognizant of the fact that dealers rely
heavily on toking to make a decent living, that some players are
so
thoughtless.
It's even worse that the casinos are allowed to pay their dealers
so
poorly, that they put them in the unenviable position of
needing "hand-outs" in order to make ends meet.BTW, while I only play downtown, not at "fancy" strip casinos, I
ALWAYS place a bet for the dealer at table games, after I've won
a
few hands in a row. I also tip nicely for handpays, and even tip
the casino cashier if I'm cashing in a big ticket, or a large
bucket
of coins. This always elicits a big smile and a friendly "Good
Luck" from the recepient. Not to mention, that just about all the
casino employees remember me from trip to trip, and greet me with
genuine warmth. This makes the casino experience much more
pleasant
for me.
Anyway, many hand-pays to all, and subsequent nice tokes to the
employee who delivers the money.Babe
I remember my first day at work at the keno counter (my first casino
job ever): I wrote a way ticket for someone that turned out to hit
nine-out-of-nine for a payoff of $26,900. Well, the woman was
ecstatic, there was lots of ceremony and commotion, the cameras had
to be rerun, the keno balls counted, the manager shot, etc. Finally
they brought an immense pile of $100 bills to my station and had me
count them out twice. Then, of course, came the generous tip from
the grateful customer.
HA!!!!!!!
After a few moments of stunned silence, we went back to work, some
of us (though certainly not myself) hoping the person would get
mugged on her way back to her car. We each got $3 in our toke
envelopes that day, and my casino career was born. Ecch.
It became evident that no matter what game you dealt (BJ, craps, and
keno all having different toke pools), it was a good day when we got
$20 in our envelopes. This was in the mid-80s; our base wage was
$5/hour, which included one meal in the employee cafeteria. The card
and dice dealers, however, were paid $28/day, which was
the "subminimum" wage that could be paid to certain service
employees (such as waitresses, etc.). I presume this subminimum
minimum wage category still exists.
We knew that if we ever pulled free of the downtown "dust joints",
we could expect $40/day in tokes mid-strip (Circus, Riviera) and if
we ever got "juiced in" to the fancy places like Caesar's, we could
count on $100+/day. This was the fantasy that kept a lot of people
in dead-end, mind-numbing dealing jobs.
Do you know why, if you tip a dealer a dollar in a Strip megatoilet,
he looks at you as if you had just handed him a jar of warm spit?
It's because he doesn't CARE about your dollar; he will make his tip
money from his share of the take from the drunken high roller who
wins $70,000 at baccarat that night and upon leaving, throws several
handfuls of black chips at the dealers, yelling, "For the boysh!".
So the proper tipping guideline would be: the lower on the food
chain the casino is, the less the dealer makes, and the more he
needs your toke dollar.
BTW, two employees who ABSOLUTELY CLEAN UP are the cocktail
waitresses, and valet parking attendants. They get tipped virtually
EVERY time they perform their service, which service gets done 20-40
times/hour. Even a $1 tip average would mean that the employee in
question gets $200+ cash EVERY DAY. So don't give ANY of these
people more than a buck; in fact, I only tip cocktails 50 cents,
knowing full well that if she got fifty cents for every drink she
delivered, she could buy a new Lexus in a year.
Interestingly, but perhaps not surprisingly, dealers in "local's"
joints usually do pretty well; not spectacularly well, but OK.
That's because locals know "which side the bread is buttered" and
will rarely "stiff" anyone; they may under-toke, but the change girl
paying off the $2000 jackpot knows that she's going to get SOMETHING.
(I tip 1%-23 on hand pays myself, depending on the kind of service
I've gotten so far).
Of course, if casinos actually paid their employees what they're
worth, rather than relying on the CUSTOMERS to do it, then this
whole discussion would be moot.
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