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Wondering if you followed up on this incident with Gaming Control. This is a
"correctable error" on the part of the casino, whether it was done
intentionally or accidentally. If you and your two friends had gone to Gaming with the
approximate time and the table number, it is quite possible that Gaming
could have obtained the surveillance tape recording play at that table. The dice
would most likely have been visible to the camera above, along with the size
of your wagers, and it seems possible that you could all have been paid,
eventually. It is also conceivable, though less likely, that the casino might
have been punished, especially if this sort of thing had been reported and
confirmed previously at that same establishment.

I know you have a low opinion of Gaming Control, and feel that they are
acting in the best interest of the casinos. But with three of you filing a claim
on the same incident, I don't think you could have been ignored, and it
certainly seems like you had little to lose since you were "thrown out" anyway!

If we feel we have been cheated by a casino, Gaming is our only resource.
They saved me $4000 in one incident a few years back at Arizona Charlie's. My
experience with them was quite positive, with several follow-up calls from
them giving me updates and progress reports, and asking further questions of me.
This was back when AC tried to retroactively (after I earned them) reduce
the point value for redemption of Dillards and Macy's gift cards. Gaming
eventually forced AC to adhere to the original point value, and within a few weeks
I received $12,000 worth of gift cards, instead of the $8000 that AC was
telling me my points were now worth. Personally, I would not hesitate for a
moment to deal with Gaming again. Fortunately, that was the only time I have felt
cheated by a casino.

Brian

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In a message dated 11/27/2004 1:39:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rockofjello333@yahoo.com writes:

For instance, one time at the crap table, with
thousands riding on the next roll, the shooter made his point of
eight...but only the stickman and three of us at one end of the
table could see it because the dice had rolled behind a stack of
chips...the stickman screamed "SEVEN OUT" and HIT the dice with his
stick, and every bet on the table was swooped up...the three of us
were soon thrown out, still screaming....

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Its not that I dont believe you, but isn't it better for the dealer's when the player's win? I thought they get more tip's from winner's, so wouldn't have much incentive to turn a winner into a loser.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker
  
bjaygold@aol.com wrote:

For instance, one time at the crap table, with
thousands riding on the next roll, the shooter made his point of
eight...but only the stickman and three of us at one end of the
table could see it because the dice had rolled behind a stack of
chips...the stickman screamed "SEVEN OUT" and HIT the dice with his
stick, and every bet on the table was swooped up...the three of us
were soon thrown out, still screaming....

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@y...>
wrote:

   Its not that I dont believe you, but isn't it better for the

dealer's when the player's win? I thought they get more tip's from
winner's, so wouldn't have much incentive to turn a winner into a
loser.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker
  
bjaygold@a... wrote:

For instance, one time at the crap table, with
thousands riding on the next roll, the shooter made his point of
eight...but only the stickman and three of us at one end of the
table could see it because the dice had rolled behind a stack of
chips...the stickman screamed "SEVEN OUT" and HIT the dice with

his

stick, and every bet on the table was swooped up...the three of

us

were soon thrown out, still screaming....

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Hi Ned,

What might cause a dealer to cheat for the casino is the very
compelling reason that he/she would like to remain EMPLOYED by the
casino, thereby, being able to continue to garner those nice tokes
at another session. I've heard of instances where dealers have had
their employment terminated because players got on a very hot streak
on their watch. I do believe that this can and does happen with
some regularity. Therefore, I find it credible that a dealer, w/o
(perhaps) the knowledge of the casino bosses, might attempt to curry
favor in their eyes, by ending a hot roll in any way possible.

In any event, I find this post, while very disturbing, also quite
believable. I do think that it would have been prudent, as another
poster pointed out, to have immediately contacted the Casino Control
Board. At the very least, this would have caused the csaino an
embarrasing problem, and at the best, after a review of the Crap
table action film, might have gotten the 3 cheated players their
rightful payoff.

BTW, I think the above post came from ROJ, not from bjgold.

                  Babe

It did. I goofed up when I replied.

Ned C

jackessiebabe <jackessiebabe@yahoo.com> wrote:

BTW, I think the above post came from ROJ, not from bjgold.

                  Babe

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, The Wild Joker <jokerswild1203@y...>
wrote:

   Its not that I dont believe you, but isn't it better for the

dealer's when the player's win? I thought they get more tip's from
winner's, so wouldn't have much incentive to turn a winner into a
loser.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker
  

See my post made at about 11:15 today for a couple of possible
reasons.
It's also to be considered that even now, in this day and age, if a
given table loses "too much" (BJ or craps), then automatic suspicion
falls on the dealers who have been working there. Amazingly, the
casino bosses don't even accept short-term fluctuations; if they
lose---EVER---the suspicion light comes on, and someone MUST be
cheating them! I know--I worked in the hellhole of the "gaming
industry" for eight years.