In a message dated 7/9/2003 4:22:57 AM Pacific Standard Time,
pokerjohng@yahoo.com writes:
Harry,Steve is a friend of mine and you have the story all wrong.He
was playing a $5 machine that was giving points like it was a $100
machine.It was giving 20times more points than it should.It had
nothing to do with hopper fills or anything of that nature.He was
playing a negative expectation machine that became very positive
only because of the cash back he was earning.He got lucky and hit a
20,000 royal and was stuck about $3000 at the time.So he won about
$17,000 on the machine legitimatly but never did get to collect the
$10,000 in cash back that he had earned.JOHN
Guess Harry missed my post on this. Thanks for correcting the details, John!
I wrote:
In a message dated 7/6/2003 7:10:34 PM Pacific Standard Time,
rsinger1111@cox.net writes:
But, I don't get how the guy at Summerlin could actually win $27,000 on a
$1 machine that paid out as if it were a $100 machine. Wouldn't the taxables,
hopper fills, or interest in any of this attract ANYONE's attention almost
immediately....like on the first handpay? It doesn't make any sense to me.
Someone please elaborate if they know.
I vaguely remember this. If my memory is correct (please don't hold me to
it!), the guy was playing a $5 machine which gave SLOT POINTS as if it were a
$100 machine, or 20X what he was entitled to. Don't know if it was a slot
machine, BJ machine, or VP machine, but blackjack rings a bell in my uncertain
recollection. So, if this is right, he was getting 5% cash back (20 X .25%), or
perhaps around $1000/hour if it were a fast machine. The $27,000 might just be
slot club cash back, or a combination of winnings on the machine plus some cash
back. It seems the RJ is off a bit on some of their facts, but the point of the
story still hits home!
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I have spoken to a couple of friends about this. It seems there was an entire
bank of machines in High Limit, lined up back to back, and each machine was
giving the slot points of the denomination of the machine across from it. Some
kind of cross-wiring, I guess. A few others who were playing these machines
were also forcibly detained by casino security, questioned, searched, and
finally released without being arrested. One player even had his cell phone
destroyed in the search--they thought it was some kind of device that could affect the
machine!
So, is knowingly playing a machine that is giving you 2X the points you
"deserve" legal? Certainly, assuming you did not yourself tamper with the machine!
Ethical? A gray area, in my opinion. How about 20X? Still legal, certainly,
unless the casino can PROVE you knew what was happening, and even then I'm not
sure. Ethical? Still gray, but a darker shade!
Brian
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