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I don't know what anyone else here thinks but this don't sound so good to me.
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LVRJ: Dotty's to acquire Hacienda Hotel & Casino outside Boulder City
Bob B., how come you don't think this sounds so good? I don't want to argue with anybody, but maybe you know something about the situation I do not.
I have never set foot in the Hacienda, even though I live pretty close to it. Reading about what they presently have to offer in promos and games (in VPFree2 and occasionally in Scot's Vegas Values),I have never felt compelled to check it out.
I don't work for Dotty's or any other gaming establishment.
I have some sympathy for the family that owns Dotty's. A decade ago, they presented their business model to Nevada Gaming for approval. They were sneered at, and told that their business would never work. They were given approval.
Since then their idea has really taken hold in the Las Vegas/Henderson area, and they have even spawned imitators, like Jackpot Joanie's.
Now, years later, Gaming is changing the rules that they had previously approved, demanding that Dotty's retrofit their stores to include bartop games. Of course, the whole business model is to attract people who want to gamble in a smaller place that ISN'T a bar. Women feel safer.
Another huge expense is the demand to put in full service kitchens, to make a "tavern."
The Fertitta brothers saw Dotty's as a threat to their customer base, and have asked Gaming to change the rules that had been previously okayed. It appears, to me at least, that Gaming has caved to Station casinos about this.
Dotty's has had, for some time, a good promo that turns one of their games into a good play. Also, they give good bounceback cash.
I am eager to see what they might do at the Hacienda.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vpfree3355@> wrote:
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> LVRJ: Dotty's to acquire Hacienda Hotel & Casino outside Boulder City
>I don't know what anyone else here thinks but this don't sound so good to me.
Perhaps it will turn out well. I did not mean to sound like a Dotty's-hater, because I am not. In fact, I was rooting for them in their earlier battles, and I admire their success.
I have heard that Dotty's has good bounceback, and I know they did have NSU at one time, perhaps they still do. I visited Vegas last month and all I saw was PNSU. And NO progressives. That's a personal pet peeve of mine because I think a well-thought out offering of progressives is such a win-win for both the player and the house. But that's just me. No, I do not have anything against Dotty's, but I think they could improve. I notice they are in Food-4-Less now, looks like they're really aggressive in their plans for the future. Wish them well.
As for the Hacienda, I have always liked that place. They used to have many FPJW, and other good games. Now the FPJW are down to four, but their cb rate has always been good, their regular multiplier days, their comps. Not sure if they had mailers, because I am not a local. For a long time they've given a free buffet for 500 points earned, keep points. That promo has been there forever.
So you can see, Hacienda is a good deal, I just wouldn't want to see it go down the tubes.
Let me amend my post. It's going to be what it's going to be, no matter what I think. So here's wishing that Dotty's does something even better with Hacienda, and also wish continued success to Dotty's.
And HEY DOTTY'S! Put in some good progressives! lol
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@...> wrote:
Bob B., how come you don't think this sounds so good? I don't want to argue with anybody, but maybe you know something about the situation I do not.
I have never set foot in the Hacienda, even though I live pretty close to it. Reading about what they presently have to offer in promos and games (in VPFree2 and occasionally in Scot's Vegas Values),I have never felt compelled to check it out.
I don't work for Dotty's or any other gaming establishment.
I have some sympathy for the family that owns Dotty's. A decade ago, they presented their business model to Nevada Gaming for approval. They were sneered at, and told that their business would never work. They were given approval.
Since then their idea has really taken hold in the Las Vegas/Henderson area, and they have even spawned imitators, like Jackpot Joanie's.
Now, years later, Gaming is changing the rules that they had previously approved, demanding that Dotty's retrofit their stores to include bartop games. Of course, the whole business model is to attract people who want to gamble in a smaller place that ISN'T a bar. Women feel safer.
Another huge expense is the demand to put in full service kitchens, to make a "tavern."The Fertitta brothers saw Dotty's as a threat to their customer base, and have asked Gaming to change the rules that had been previously okayed. It appears, to me at least, that Gaming has caved to Station casinos about this.
Dotty's has had, for some time, a good promo that turns one of their games into a good play. Also, they give good bounceback cash.
I am eager to see what they might do at the Hacienda.
The Fertitta brothers saw Dotty's as a threat to their customer base, and have asked Gaming to change the rules that had been previously okayed. It appears, to me at least, that Gaming has caved to Station casinos about this.
Don't forget George Maloof sticking his nose in too. Seems like his time would have been better spent attending AA Meetings and holding on to more than 2% of his company.
Dotty's has had, for some time, a good promo that turns one of their games into a good play. Also, they give good bounceback cash.
Only if you lose. If you have a win, you only get two $1 vouchers. Who would have thought there were winner mailers more insulting than Coast or South Point.
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On Aug 3, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@cox.net> wrote:
Guys,I've played in half a dozen Dotty's. All of those have had at least some machines with NSU. The good promo they have is double points from midnight 'til 6 A.M. Also, 2X for over 50 "early birds" from 6 A.M.- Noon. This turns into a positive play when added to their W-2G promo if you are playing for a dollar and up, and better when playing for two bucks, since that generates a W2-G when deuces are hit. Bob Dancer spoke about this back when Dotty's was cosponsoring his radio show.
My husband and I have played there for many months, and we have seen absolutely no correlation between winning and bounce back cash. We sure do see this in our mailers from South Point!
I haven't read about Maloof having anything to do with the situation.
My complaint about Dotty's is that it is the smokiest place ever, and smoke usually does not bother me. One can play at their K-Mart and Food for Less Locations to avoid this.
I do like progressives, but have not seen one in any store I've been in. I don't know that a progressive would rise very fast. Every time I'm at Dotty's (with the exception of K-Mart) nearly all of the patrons are playing Keno.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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On Aug 3, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@...> wrote:
> The Fertitta brothers saw Dotty's as a threat to their customer base, and have asked Gaming to change the rules that had been previously okayed. It appears, to me at least, that Gaming has caved to Station casinos about this.
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>Don't forget George Maloof sticking his nose in too. Seems like his time would have been better spent attending AA Meetings and holding on to more than 2% of his company.
> Dotty's has had, for some time, a good promo that turns one of their games into a good play. Also, they give good bounceback cash.Only if you lose. If you have a win, you only get two $1 vouchers. Who would have thought there were winner mailers more insulting than Coast or South Point.
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Have you ever had a 3 month winning period and still got a respectful mailer? Their "bounceback" mailers have always been a percentage rebate of loses.
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On Aug 4, 2013, at 6:38 AM, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@cox.net> wrote:
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My husband and I have played there for many months, and we have seen absolutely no correlation between winning and bounce back cash.
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vegasvpplayer wrote: Have you ever had a 3 month winning period and still got a respectful mailer? Their "bounceback" mailers have always been a percentage rebate of loses.
This is generally in agreement with my experience (assuming he meant "respectable" rather than "respectful") --- except I believe it's a 4-month cycle.
I play $25 NSU (actually 25-coin $5 NSU --- which means $125 per hand) there. It creates W2Gs on royals, deuces, wild royals, 5-of-a-kinds, and straight flushes. Playing less than that creates fewer W2Gs. --- i.e. playing $5 per hand only gets you W2Gs on royals. Playing $6 per hand gives you W2Gs on royals and deuces. Playing $50 per hand gives you W2Gs on wild royals as well. Playing $75 per hand gives you W2Gs on 5-of-a-kinds. The reason you want W2Gs there is they have a promo where some percentage of W2Gs get a 10% rebate. That is, if you have a $2,000 W2G, some of the time you'll get an extra $200. I calculate that it's between 1-in-15 and 1-in-20 W2Gs that get the rebate.
In any form of deuces, you lose between the times you get deuces and royals. That's just the nature of the game. So I play about $50K per week (playing only during hours where you get 2x points, which means 0.20% --- which is the highest you can get on the good games) and get decent mailers and some W2G rebates. Whenever I hit deuces or a royal, I stay out of all Dotty's for four months (except to pick up mailers > $5 while they last and to check to see if I got a 10% rebate on my last group of W2Gs.) Mailers go from Sunday to Saturday and you can always pick up your mailers "a day early to a day late" That means going in on Saturday or Sunday every other week allows you to collect two mailers at once.
After four months I go back and play and am eligible for good mailers again. It's a weird system, but once you figure it out it's a pretty profitable place to play.
I personally have no problem staying out of a place for four months if the conditions aren't right. If you're somebody who's going to "play anyway," you're giving up a lot by continuing to play at Dotty's when you've won recently. Discipline is a valuable yet underrated aspect to the winning process.
Whatever they do to the Hacienda property in particular is irrelevant to me personally --- I simply live too far from there for that to be a smart play, given the other opportunities around. But seeing the Estey family is planning on staying in the casino business even though Station Casinos took a big crap on their business model is good news for players.
They run their places a bit differently --- which is good. It takes awhile to figure out their system --- and on this thread you can see that some folks haven't and are frustrated by that --- but it's not rocket science and players can prosper there.
Kmarts and Food 4 Less locations aren't smoky at all --- so that's where I play --- but the Dotty's inside are only open when the stores themselves are open --- so they are not 24-hour (unless you can find a 24-hour Kmart). These locations tend to put their bottom-of-the-barrel employees in them so if you get a W2G you might have to train them on how to fill out the form. And if you're NOT playing big enough to hit W2Gs, there's nothing special about Dotty's. You have to play AT LEAST $5 per hand to get NSU and similar games. If your bankroll can't handle that, and/or you need progressives to make you happy, you should play elsewhere.
Bob
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Which dotties have nsu/99.7 ? The best I've seen at dotties is 7/5 bonus
poker ?
Thanks in advance tom
On Aug 4, 2013 9:39 AM, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@cox.net> wrote:
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Guys,I've played in half a dozen Dotty's. All of those have had at least
some machines with NSU. The good promo they have is double points from
midnight 'til 6 A.M. Also, 2X for over 50 "early birds" from 6 A.M.- Noon.
This turns into a positive play when added to their W-2G promo if you are
playing for a dollar and up, and better when playing for two bucks, since
that generates a W2-G when deuces are hit. Bob Dancer spoke about this back
when Dotty's was cosponsoring his radio show.
My husband and I have played there for many months, and we have seen
absolutely no correlation between winning and bounce back cash. We sure do
see this in our mailers from South Point!
I haven't read about Maloof having anything to do with the situation.
My complaint about Dotty's is that it is the smokiest place ever, and
smoke usually does not bother me. One can play at their K-Mart and Food for
Less Locations to avoid this.
I do like progressives, but have not seen one in any store I've been in. I
don't know that a progressive would rise very fast. Every time I'm at
Dotty's (with the exception of K-Mart) nearly all of the patrons are
playing Keno.--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
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> On Aug 3, 2013, at 11:20 AM, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@...> wrote:
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> > The Fertitta brothers saw Dotty's as a threat to their customer base,
and have asked Gaming to change the rules that had been previously okayed.
It appears, to me at least, that Gaming has caved to Station casinos about
this.
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> Don't forget George Maloof sticking his nose in too. Seems like his time
would have been better spent attending AA Meetings and holding on to more
than 2% of his company.
> > Dotty's has had, for some time, a good promo that turns one of their
games into a good play. Also, they give good bounceback cash.
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> Only if you lose. If you have a win, you only get two $1 vouchers. Who
would have thought there were winner mailers more insulting than Coast or
South Point.
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Respectfully, Tom, I would suggest legwork.
Scouting is fun! It feels like Easter when I was a little boy.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, tom dolan <flushtom@...> wrote:
Which dotties have nsu/99.7 ? The best I've seen at dotties is 7/5 bonus
poker ?
Thanks in advance tom
I pretty much agree with Bob's analysis and play it the same way, although generally a different game and denomination. I thought the qualification/penalty period was the previous 3 cash back periods versus 4 calendar months, but I could be wrong. In the past, W-2G bonuses drawings were always 1 in 10 when I counted what was posted on the bulletin board.
Respectably submitted,
VVPP
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I think the problem is that I based my observation on the $2 denom we play for the W-2 G promo. Maybe 16/10 NSU is not available for quarters.
I'll put my faith in Bob D.'s math and record keeping as far superior to mine in evaluating this play.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Bartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, tom dolan <flushtom@> wrote:
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> Which dotties have nsu/99.7 ? The best I've seen at dotties is 7/5 bonus
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> Thanks in advance tomRespectfully, Tom, I would suggest legwork.
Scouting is fun! It feels like Easter when I was a little boy.
I'm almost positive they don't have anything for quarters. Seems to me I remember there being SDB (99.69%) also, in addition to NSU, for dollars of course. That was a couple Vegas trips ago so like a couple years ago for me.
I went to Vegas in June this year, only stopped at one Dottys, I saw PNSU. So obviously I didn't look very hard this time. In fact, now that I think about it, it was at a Food 4 Less.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tikithecat73lakeworth" <fjc73@...> wrote:
I think the problem is that I based my observation on the $2 denom we play for the W-2 G promo. Maybe 16/10 NSU is not available for quarters.
Anyone care to share details about Laughlin Locals or any other similiar? Just saw a banner ad for them gave more details than Dotty's.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:
I pretty much agree with Bob's analysis and play it the same way, although generally a different game and denomination. I thought the qualification/penalty period was the previous 3 cash back periods versus 4 calendar months, but I could be wrong. In the past, W-2G bonuses drawings were always 1 in 10 when I counted what was posted on the bulletin board.
Respectably submitted,
VVPP
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As far as the 5 lauglinlocals.com bars, post the question on vpree laughlin daughter board.
Website has photos and the joints got a player's club. Been driving by them for years but never went in one.
Didn't realize Dotty's had so many locations. Worst website evah.
Don't see many cars in the parking lots. Mostly drive by during day.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "richard d" <cdgnpc@...> wrote:
Anyone care to share details about Laughlin Locals or any other similiar? Just saw a banner ad for them gave more details than Dotty's.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Vegasvpplayer <vegasvpplayer@> wrote:
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> I pretty much agree with Bob's analysis and play it the same way, although generally a different game and denomination. I thought the qualification/penalty period was the previous 3 cash back periods versus 4 calendar months, but I could be wrong. In the past, W-2G bonuses drawings were always 1 in 10 when I counted what was posted on the bulletin board.
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