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LVRJ - Court Rules Against Do-Not-Call Registry
Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., added, "If this decision is not
reversed quickly, I suspect the courthouse in Oklahoma would want to
add itself to the do-not-call database in order to protect itself
from the millions of consumers who feel deeply about the right to be
left alone."
enough said, the people have spoken.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
-U.S. District Judge Edward W. Nottingham in Denver blocked the list
late Thursday, handing another victory to telemarketers who argued
the national registry is unconstitutional and will devastate their
industry
His decision came shortly after the House and Senate voted
overwhelmingly for a bill making clear that the Federal Trade
Commission has the power to enforce the "do-not-call" list. The
legislation was prompted by an earlier ruling by a federal judge in
Oklahoma City who said the FTC lacked the power to create and
operate the registry.
The House voted 412-8 and the Senate 95-0 for the bill. President
Bush said he looked forward to signing it. "Unwanted telemarketing
calls are intrusive, annoying and all too common," he said in a
statement.
The list that would block an estimated 80 percent of telemarketing
calls is supposed to be effective Wednesday, but it's unclear
whether legal issues will be settled by then. Even after Bush signs
the legislation, the FTC must win in court for the list to move
forward.
Despite the uncertainty, the FTC is encouraging people to continue
signing up for the list at the Web site www.donotcall.gov or by
calling 1-888-382-1222.
I wonder who is contributing heavily to these guys re-election
coffers?
timmer
Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., added, "If this decision is not
reversed quickly, I suspect the courthouse in Oklahoma would want
to
add itself to the do-not-call database in order to protect itself
from the millions of consumers who feel deeply about the right to
be
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-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@y...> wrote:
left alone."
enough said, the people have spoken.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
The telemarketers must be brain dead. The do-not-call list is doing
them a HUGE favor by helping them avoid wasting time calling
homes that will just say "no" anyway. They are clearly fighting for
the right to annoy those who aren't interested in receiving their
pitches. WHY? It makes no sense...
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On Thursday 25 September 2003 08:01 pm, timmer wrote:
-U.S. District Judge Edward W. Nottingham in Denver blocked the list
late Thursday, handing another victory to telemarketers who argued
the national registry is unconstitutional and will devastate their
industry
The telemarketers must be brain dead. The do-not-call list is doing
them a HUGE favor by helping them avoid wasting time calling
homes that will just say "no" anyway. They are clearly fighting for
the right to annoy those who aren't interested in receiving their
pitches. WHY? It makes no sense...
I suspect that the mechanics of this business have them billing
customers ( the people actually making the products ) for calls made.
This explains why the same product might be pitched to you many times
even though you've already said no. The t-marketer isn't that
concerned with sales, just billing for activity. I think there are
about 100 M households in the US and 300 M people. If 50 M numbers
have been removed from the pool to call then my guess would be that
those that have not joined the list will get lots more calls in the
short term. Probably a strong motivation to get on the list.
The best defense, get on the do not call lists. Never buy anything
over the phone. What we need now is a do not spam email list with
some teeth. I don't need the world's smallest camera, or a penis
enlarger or ...
Scott K from Cincy
- Since issuing the ruling, West's home and office have been
bombarded with calls from angry consumers. His numbers were posted
on the Internet and people were encouraged to call.
Late Thursday, Nottingham's phone numbers began to surface online as
well.
-U.S. District Judge Edward W. Nottingham in Denver blocked the
list
late Thursday, handing another victory to telemarketers who argued
the national registry is unconstitutional and will devastate their
industryHis decision came shortly after the House and Senate voted
overwhelmingly for a bill making clear that the Federal Trade
Commission has the power to enforce the "do-not-call" list. The
legislation was prompted by an earlier ruling by a federal judge
in
Oklahoma City who said the FTC lacked the power to create and
operate the registry.The House voted 412-8 and the Senate 95-0 for the bill. President
Bush said he looked forward to signing it. "Unwanted telemarketing
calls are intrusive, annoying and all too common," he said in a
statement.The list that would block an estimated 80 percent of telemarketing
calls is supposed to be effective Wednesday, but it's unclear
whether legal issues will be settled by then. Even after Bush
signs
the legislation, the FTC must win in court for the list to move
forward.Despite the uncertainty, the FTC is encouraging people to continue
signing up for the list at the Web site www.donotcall.gov or by
calling 1-888-382-1222.I wonder who is contributing heavily to these guys re-election
coffers?timmer
> Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., added, "If this decision is not
> reversed quickly, I suspect the courthouse in Oklahoma would
want
to
> add itself to the do-not-call database in order to protect
itself
> from the millions of consumers who feel deeply about the right
to
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@y...> wrote:
-- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "timmer" <timmr21@y...> wrote:
be
> left alone."
>
> enough said, the people have spoken.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_FREE" <vpFREE@C...> wrote:
I work in an industry that relies on telemarketers for appts to show our products. We don't sell anything over the phone. When we call people with no interest, we very politely end the call. I would like to point out a couple of salient points about this issue. Our prices for our services are more competitive than those who use tv and newspaper ads to generate leads, because those sources cost more. We employ people who for different reasons are not employable in other types of jobs, but are fine on the phone. Some of the people in this industry, would be living off of the goverment, where it not for phone jobs. I'm sure we don"t want to support more famlies with our tax dollars. Kat
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----- Original Message -----
From: worldbefree22001
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:27 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do-Not-Call Registry update
> The telemarketers must be brain dead. The do-not-call list is doing
> them a HUGE favor by helping them avoid wasting time calling
> homes that will just say "no" anyway. They are clearly fighting for
> the right to annoy those who aren't interested in receiving their
> pitches. WHY? It makes no sense...
I suspect that the mechanics of this business have them billing
customers ( the people actually making the products ) for calls made.
This explains why the same product might be pitched to you many times
even though you've already said no. The t-marketer isn't that
concerned with sales, just billing for activity. I think there are
about 100 M households in the US and 300 M people. If 50 M numbers
have been removed from the pool to call then my guess would be that
those that have not joined the list will get lots more calls in the
short term. Probably a strong motivation to get on the list.
The best defense, get on the do not call lists. Never buy anything
over the phone. What we need now is a do not spam email list with
some teeth. I don't need the world's smallest camera, or a penis
enlarger or ...
Scott K from Cincy
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Sorry, this is not enough of a reason for me to be CONSTANTLY
interrupted, especially at meal time. Before our state had a Do Not
Call List, that's what happened. Multiply this by millions of people.
I could go on and on with analogies of other occupations where the
people involved would be otherwise unemployable (hitmen?). That still
doesn't make it right.
Dick
I work in an industry that relies on telemarketers for appts to
show our products. We don't sell anything over the phone. When we
call people with no interest, we very politely end the call. I would
like to point out a couple of salient points about this issue. Our
prices for our services are more competitive than those who use tv
and newspaper ads to generate leads, because those sources cost
more. We employ people who for different reasons are not employable
in other types of jobs, but are fine on the phone. Some of the
people in this industry, would be living off of the goverment, where
it not for phone jobs. I'm sure we don"t want to support more
famlies with our tax dollars. Kat
From: worldbefree22001
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:27 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do-Not-Call Registry update> The telemarketers must be brain dead. The do-not-call list is
doing
> them a HUGE favor by helping them avoid wasting time calling
> homes that will just say "no" anyway. They are clearly
fighting for
> the right to annoy those who aren't interested in receiving
their
> pitches. WHY? It makes no sense...
I suspect that the mechanics of this business have them billing
customers ( the people actually making the products ) for calls
made.
This explains why the same product might be pitched to you many
times
even though you've already said no. The t-marketer isn't that
concerned with sales, just billing for activity. I think there
are
about 100 M households in the US and 300 M people. If 50 M
numbers
have been removed from the pool to call then my guess would be
that
those that have not joined the list will get lots more calls in
the
short term. Probably a strong motivation to get on the list.
The best defense, get on the do not call lists. Never buy
anything
over the phone. What we need now is a do not spam email list
with
some teeth. I don't need the world's smallest camera, or a penis
enlarger or ...Scott K from Cincy
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "katcag" <katcag@c...> wrote:
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Kat,
I have *never* purchased anything from someone over the phone nor will I ever, just on general principles.. I bought that telephone and I pay for the service to use it. I may be in the middle of a chore, eating, or listening to something on the radio or t.v. and I don't want to be bothered by telemarketers. I hate feeling hounded in my own home by anyone!!
There is no sense in these people taking the time to call me because I *will not* be using the services of whomever they are calling for, so why not just use the list of people who won't purchase anything and do yourselves and them a favor and leave them alone?
Carol
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I work in an industry that relies on telemarketers for appts to show our products. We don't sell anything over the phone. When we call people with no interest, we very politely end the call. I would like to point out a couple of salient points about this issue. Our prices for our services are more competitive than those who use tv and newspaper ads to generate leads, because those sources cost more. We employ people who for different reasons are not employable in other types of jobs, but are fine on the phone. Some of the people in this industry, would be living off of the goverment, where it not for phone jobs. I'm sure we don"t want to support more famlies with our tax dollars. Kat
----- Original Message -----
From: worldbefree22001
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 5:27 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Do-Not-Call Registry update
> The telemarketers must be brain dead. The do-not-call list is doing
> them a HUGE favor by helping them avoid wasting time calling
> homes that will just say "no" anyway. They are clearly fighting for
> the right to annoy those who aren't interested in receiving their
> pitches. WHY? It makes no sense...
I suspect that the mechanics of this business have them billing
customers ( the people actually making the products ) for calls made.
This explains why the same product might be pitched to you many times
even though you've already said no. The t-marketer isn't that
concerned with sales, just billing for activity. I think there are
about 100 M households in the US and 300 M people. If 50 M numbers
have been removed from the pool to call then my guess would be that
those that have not joined the list will get lots more calls in the
short term. Probably a strong motivation to get on the list.
The best defense, get on the do not call lists. Never buy anything
over the phone. What we need now is a do not spam email list with
some teeth. I don't need the world's smallest camera, or a penis
enlarger or ...
Scott K from Cincy
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Because I dont want people calling me at all hours trying to sell me
crap I dont want. If I want somthing I go find out how, and where
to get it.
Please post your home phone.
timmer
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "katcag" <katcag@c...> wrote:
I work in an industry that relies on telemarketers
I work in an industry that relies on telemarketers for appts
to show our products. We don't sell anything over the phone.
When we call people with no interest, we very politely end
the call.
Then you should be delighted with the do-not-call registry, a list of people
with no interest. You can very politely not make the call in the first
place.
My sister does something better. She let's the answering machine pick up all her calls. The solicitor's hang up, and her friend's start leaving a message and she answers if she's at home.
It works real well for her, but she's single. My wife doesn't want to miss her mothers' calls, so she won't do this.
Ned C.
The Wild Joker
The telemarketers must be brain dead. The do-not-call list is doing
them a HUGE favor by helping them avoid wasting time calling
homes that will just say "no" anyway. They are clearly fighting for
the right to annoy those who aren't interested in receiving their
pitches. WHY? It makes no sense...
I suspect that the mechanics of this business have them billing
customers ( the people actually making the products ) for calls made.
This explains why the same product might be pitched to you many times
even though you've already said no. The t-marketer isn't that
concerned with sales, just billing for activity. I think there are
about 100 M households in the US and 300 M people. If 50 M numbers
have been removed from the pool to call then my guess would be that
those that have not joined the list will get lots more calls in the
short term. Probably a strong motivation to get on the list.
The best defense, get on the do not call lists. Never buy anything
over the phone. What we need now is a do not spam email list with
some teeth. I don't need the world's smallest camera, or a penis
enlarger or ...
Scott K from Cincy
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