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LVA Question of the Day - 9 MAY 2008

A legitimate question. And I really don't know how long it takes to get the
first check, or if they will pay a portion of it in cash. Maybe someone else
has these answers.

However, these winners were playing dollar slots. No one comes to LV to play
dollar slots without at least several hundred dollars available, more likely
a couple of thousand. And even if they had almost run out of money, there
are several solutions. There are ATMs, local branches of whichever bank they do
business with, credit card advances (yeah, I know, expensive, but what the
heck under the circumstances!), and a line of credit (which the casino should
be able to set up pretty quickly, given the newfound wealth of the player).

And if for some reason, none of these things are acceptable, I am quite
certain that a method could be arranged for tip money to be sent after the player
returns home. It is easy to come up with an excuse for not tipping, but hard
to justify it by saying "I didn't have any money on me."

Brian

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In a message dated 5/15/2008 4:20:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
dianalnagy@aol.com writes:

Maybe the winners were down to their last 20's when they hit, and since
they give you a check instead of cash, did not have anything to tip
with. I don't know I have never won Megabucks, do they give you part
of it in cash?

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A legitimate question. And I really don't know how long it takes to
get the first check,

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

What is an appropriate tip for the mailman delivering the first check?
Should the 1/2% - 18% guideline also be used? He certainly performs a
more regular service than the once in a lifetime slot attendant.
Perhaps, we should double the tip for the postman to 1% - 36%. Or,
should we triple or quadruple it? 2% - 72% isn't unreasonable as long
as the postman says "Congratulations!"

skiallsix:

What is an appropriate tip for the mailman delivering the first check?
Should the 1/2% - 18% guideline also be used? He certainly performs a
more regular service than the once in a lifetime slot attendant.
Perhaps, we should double the tip for the postman to 1% - 36%. Or,
should we triple or quadruple it? 2% - 72% isn't unreasonable as long
as the postman says "Congratulations!"

What about bank tellers? Don't they need the money as much as slot
attendants do? When tippers stop being selective about to whom they
are "generous," I'll consider the possibility that there's virtue to
it.

What about bank tellers? Don't they need the money as much as slot
attendants do? When tippers stop being selective about to whom they
are "generous," I'll consider the possibility that there's virtue to
it.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, 007 <007@...> wrote:

I have a solution for the bank tellers: Use the night deposit box.
You can stiff the tellers with dignity.

Bank tellers don't deserve a tip. They are generally hard working
college kids. I am sure they will be successful once they graduate.
Tips should be reserved for those who goofed off during school and
have no other choice than to accept a minimum wage job in a smoke
filled environment. A productive society should always reward goof
offs over hard working college graduates. Silly.

I have not made any 'excuses' for not tipping people who
do not *deserve* a tip. Nor, do I intend to make any.

I just don't tip when it is not earned. It's really that simple.

And, just because I don't tip when others do tip, does
not mean that I have any less 'class' than the others do.

Using the logic that tipping=class, does that mean that
those who tip more money have more class than those
who tip less? I don't think so.

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On 5/15/08, bjaygold@aol.com <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote:

It is easy to come up with an excuse for not tipping, but hard
to justify it by saying "I didn't have any money on me."

Brian

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Having money does not define class. One with less money is equal to one with more money. How you treat and show appreciation for others shows class. This is true both for the giver and receiver of the tip.

The person receiving the tip probably doesn't know if the latest jackpot puts you way in the back, brings you to even, or just reduces your losses from the four of a kinds in hiding. The good employees know this. The demeanor in which you give the tip might help. I have rarely had an experience where the recipient felt undertipped. As for those in minimal wage jobs, such as waitstaff, the situation is a little different as tipping is really the major part of their wages, and if the service is properly provided, while not mandatory I strongly believe it is proper, the amount of the tip being based on your feelings of the service quality and the type of service provided.

Even though I personally believe in tipping adequately, or better, if the level of service shows it, I do not believe in bribery or extortion, that is your bribing the person to get special services or the person hustling you for a tip. I get really annoyed at a craps table, as an example, if the dealer suggests that i should "place a bet for the boys" as this is totally unprofessional. Also, I often see signs at buffets and restaurants that add a required gratuity for larger parties. This is totally out of place. The amount should be left up to the individual. the worse scam is for room service where a "gratuity" charge is added in small print but the server seems to expect a tip anyway when he is already covered in the bill. I have yet to ever see a room service person say that the bill already covers him or her.

Those who do not tip have possibly never worked a minimum wage job where tips are the main source of income. It would probably be better if we had the system as they have in France and some other countries where the "tip" is included in the price (i.e with service) but since we don't, I shall continue to tip, especially those at minimum wage, for services rendered of at least decent quality service. I adjust if yup or down per the service rendered. In all my years in Vegas and meals eaten (in the hundreds or more) I can think of only 4 times that I did not tip, and even on one of these i tipped the busboy instead of the waiter, as he gave service, the waiter I could never find. I have tipped upwards of 25% at times for excellent service, As to jackpots, I realize things are different now as most attendants are now floorpersons with a higher salary less dependant on tips. Unless the service is surly or the wait is atrocious (when there is not a good reason for the wait such
as the computers down or being very busy) I believe in about a 1% tip with a $5 minimum on hand pays (i.e if the jackpot is 1125 would give $10-$15 depending on the service) . I have never won larger than about 5.9K on video poker thus if I hit a $5 royal??? -hope I have the chance to post the tip I gave on that. Would be happy to explain that many times given the opportunity but I rarely play at that level. In Keno in 2004 3 tickets in a single game gave me about $16K and I gave the Keno crew $200. Guess there is no right or wrong answer on this subject???

Luke Fuller <kungalooosh@gmail.com> wrote: I have not made any 'excuses' for not tipping people who
do not *deserve* a tip. Nor, do I intend to make any.

I just don't tip when it is not earned. It's really that simple.

And, just because I don't tip when others do tip, does
not mean that I have any less 'class' than the others do.

Using the logic that tipping=class, does that mean that
those who tip more money have more class than those
who tip less? I don't think so.

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On 5/15/08, bjaygold@aol.com <bjaygold@aol.com> wrote:
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> It is easy to come up with an excuse for not tipping, but hard
> to justify it by saying "I didn't have any money on me."
>
> Brian

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And I really don't know how long it takes to get the
first check, or if they will pay a portion of it in cash. Maybe

someone else

has these answers.

I have a tip--let's talk about vp! Barring that, the Megabucks
machines have statements printed on the face that say something to the
effect that the progressive jackpot is paid as an annuity in either 20-
25 yearly installments. I believe it also says (or perhaps I read it
in a story about a Megabucks winner) that the first payment is made at
the casino where the jackpot is hit, presumably either in cash, by
check, or in some combination, just like a $100,000 royal would be.
There is probably also a cash option available. Every trip I take $21
to a Megabucks machine at least once. Most of the time I lose $21
quickly.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@... wrote:

skiallsix - "I have a solution for the bank tellers: Use the night
deposit box.
You can stiff the tellers with dignity."

"Stiffing" involves not paying money/a debt which is owed.

If tipping is obligatory, then the person would be stiffed if not
tipped.

Since tipping is not obligatory, there is no "stiffing" involved,
except in the minds of compulsive tippers who feel obligated to tip
and feel that everyone else has an obligation to tip.

pesach kremen - "Having money does not define class. One with less
money is equal to one with more money. How you treat and show
appreciation for others shows class. This is true both for the giver
and receiver of the tip."

It could be argued that it is demeaning in several ways to hand
someone money simply because they did their job properly, and for
someone to accept money simply because they did their job properly. It
could be considered demeaning for both the giver and receiver of the
tip.