Sure Lawrence....may I call you Larry.......OK thanks. If Obama and
the liberals remain in power after the 2012 elections than Laughlin VP
gets worse and Laughlin itself will become a ghost town. This will occur
because there will higher taxes, fewer jobs, an even worsening economy,
and less disposable income to spend in the casinos. The casino
bean-counters, in their infinite wisdom, will react by tightening up the
VP schedules even more, with the thinking that it will help the casinos'
bottom lines. In fact, it will only cause an already skittish customer
base to stay away in droves.....which results in the casinos losing so
much money that they have to close up shop. The sad ending is that
Laughlin then becomes a ghost town and nobody gets to play VP there
anymore. See how it all ties in ?
Save Laughlin VP and vote Republican in 2012 !!
It is not my intention to offend anybody. I just want to know how
the current status of this topic directly relates to Video Poker in
Laughlin.
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, mikel0601@... wrote:
Liberals have no depth of thought. They love their shallow,
feel-good causes but never consider the unintended consequences of
their actions. As long as the green car burns clean, it doesn't matter
to them that the battery charging station is powered by a coal-burning
power plant. The green car batteries cost $5000.00 to
replace......but that's OK because the government will subsidize a new
one for me when the time comes. The liberals love their
entitlements until the money runs out and society implodes. But they
won't change course to prevent the implosion because they can only see
as far as their next entitlement. But when the money runs out, the
liberals are the first ones throwing the molotov cocktails. Funny how
that works. California is a perfect case study of what happens when
liberals control everything. The state is a disaster and the liberals
are chasing away the tax base with higher and higher taxes to fund
their ever growing givaway programs. This vicious downward spiral will
ultimately end with the rest of us bailing California out. I hate the
thought of that. There were actually a couple of hustler
acquaintences I knew back in the early 2000's in Laughlin, who claimed
that they would go to California occasionally when they went
broke......and California would help them get back on their feet with
a "free" cash infusion of a couple hundred bucks. It wouldn't surprise
me if that was true considering how today's California rolls out the
red carpet for the illegals....at the tax payers' expense, of course.Yes tell me about buses. Our city learned of a Fed program to
purchase large buses for mass transit (capacity around 45). After a
year many of their routes averaged a bit less than TWO people riding
at any given time. The cost to you and me for each bus was
$315,000! No efficiency there, free cab rides would have been
infinitely cheaper. Mini vans would have been cheaper, but the
program mandated a certain size bus with other equally useless
provisions. There is no end to how much the government can waste.Â
Multiply this program by the thousands and a person can begin to
imagine how idiotic politicians and bureaucrats can be. The green
movement is largely a front for liberal causes. Doubt that?Â
Remember back when conversation of forests, land, and water were all
the rage, Smokey bear etc. Liberals wanted to do away with anything
with the word conservative in it. Again markets with the knowledge,
intellect, and experience trump the agendas of a few who believe they
and they alone have the answers.Â
________________________________ From: dewey < deweyfhill@...
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')> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:34 AM Subject:
[vpFREE_Laughlin] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 24 Dec
 No where am I suggesting that the market will currently reflect
what might be good for America 50 years from now. Why would it?
Investors want to make investments and only money is involved in the
formula. Never is the actual cost in pollution or damage to living
space figured in. The market investors don't suffer that loss. If
hydrofracting causes the pollution of water all around the sites in
NY, the gas will still make the investors a nice profit until the
disaster hits. If green technology doesn't make a quick buck right
now, it still may be a good money maker 50 years from now when China
owns all the patents. The market is just another huge craps table with
winners and losers, but only money matters to investors and short term
profit regardless of how they leave the environment. Right now the
rich manage to make money, but generally at a cost to future
inhabitants. We can sometimes actually invest in what might make a
better life for our grandchildren, but it is hard. This is where
government may help. the complete revamp of Vegas buses is an
interesting example of green thinking starting to be incorporated into
actual practice. Federal stimulus money brought to Vegas a bus system
that may not sustain itself for a while, but as the culture changes
and we go for more mass transit it will. Also, right now the whole
bus improvement moves us away from automobile engine pollution simply
by linking buses to bikes and giving the bike riders a place to
repair, store, change clothes so that benefits everyone breathing in
Las Vegas.
Now on Laughlin, the newest news makes your fellas probably right in
not trusting this deal. Seems these particular Chinese are just not
too trustworthy. So, it may be just a too good to be true deal gone
sour.http://4thst8.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/chinese-solar-panel-company-put-on-credit-watch-days-before-laughlin-land-deal/
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> Just as well from my viewpoint. As much as I'd like to see Laughln
reenergized and the poker tables filled with new folks, I don't want
China controlling American soil. It is bad enough they control
American finances.
Interesting article on solar in India. It shows that even sooner than
we might predict, solar could end up being good for the market as well
as just good for living free of pollution and disease.http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/business/energy-environment/in-solar-power-india-begins-living-up-to-its-own-ambitions.html
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')> , hedonist144 <hedonist144@> wrote:Agreed that no one can predict the future with any great
certainty.ÃÂ All we can do is put the odds in our favor. That is
exactly what the market has done with solar stocks.ÃÂ A few
politicians and bureaucrats certainly do not possess the knowledge
and experience of the rest of the population or market as a
whole.ÃÂ The market has voted with their own money.ÃÂ Here are
some stock stats for 2011: Canadian Solar -79% First Solar -74.6% JA
Solar -81.1% Jinko Solar Holdings -75.6% LDK Solar -58.2% If you have
some knowledge that the market is not aware of, now could possibly be
a great time for investing in solar.ÃÂ Many people are having a
difficult time paying for utilities now without significantly
increasing costs unnecessarily.ÃÂ By the way are you aware that the
Chinese have been building approximately 1 coal fired power plant per
week for the last few years?ÃÂ And the EPA is worried about
hundredths of a percent of carbon dioxide in auto exhaust. I agree
wholeheartedly with you, not more subsidies for any business,
possible exception for immenent catastrophies affecting us all.________________________________ From: dewey <deweyfhill@> To:
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[vpFREE_Laughlin] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 24 Dec
ÃÂ Well, no one can predict the long term future. I won't be around
to see it. Water is probably another resource soon coming into its
own and not to be taken for granted. Hydrofracting for all that gas
may help make fresh, unpolluted water an even more rare commodity.
And the statement that natural gas is overall cleaner than the others
is not yet determined, not only for water but for the pollution that
might happen if the extractors are more greedy than careful. It is
debated, not a done decision. Green either becomes interesting to the
rich investor "job creators," or we can pay China to become the
innovators and get the patents so we pay them everytime we go green
here, or we can pay the costs of all the environmental disasters that
fossil fuels have begun to create that will escalate here and around
the world as much as we try to hide out heads in the sand. My bet is
that green technology is just beginning, and it matters who controls
the new discoveries and innovations to all the alternative and clean
fuels. In the short run, however, it is hoped that the Chinese may
boost Laughlin's economy by creating jobs there and most of them will
be local jobs and some of that will spill over to the casinos or even
better, to the live poker tables, where the rake is still a good deal
and equivalent to good VP tables. Once the deal is made, the Chinese
"Job creators" will certainly manage to help the Laughlin depressed
economy more that full VP tables. And that I will be around to see,
God willing and the creek don't rise. As for the idea that the
government should not get involved in encouraging new technologies.
Well, I might agree if they weren't already involved in corporate
welfare at all levels to keep alive the traditional rich, those that
give a huge disingenuous shout about the the need for laissez faire
government and then become "too big to fail," when they run into hard
times. And there are those that arrange unnecessary wars to make them
even richer. Government might just as well have some vision as be
tied to established money interests and established wealth. So, it
isn't about whether government should get involved anymore. It is
about how they might get involved, so we just aren't constantly being
ripped off by that military industrial complex that Ike predicted.
and we are trying to have some vision and move into the new century.
If you really want to know the viability of solar, check THEIR stock
prices in 2061. --- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
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')> , hedonist144 <hedonist144@> wrote:Exactly.ÃâàWe are now the Saudi Arabia of natural gas, a very
low polluter in comparison to oil and coal.ÃâàIf you want to
really know the viability of solar, check there stock prices (a
disaster).________________________________ From: lazy <mikel0601@> To:
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ÃâàI'll believe this Laughlin billion-dollar, solar, liberal
pipe-dream when I see it. Green energy may be the future but it's
not anywhere near efficient enough yet to displace fossil fuels.
American venture capitalists know this, and they are far from being
short-sighted. I'd rather have the Chinese dump billions into this
boondoggle, than see our government spend tax dollars on this.
Because when the federal govt. tries to force it, we get Solyndra.
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')> , "dewey" <deweyfhill@> wrote:I guess you missed the news details.
http://www.lvrj.com/business/plans-to-move-forward-on-laughlin-solar-plant-get-approval-135951198.html
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> note 9,000 acres used as solar farm, factory, research park.
Total cost will be 4-6 billion and they will produce 5.4 billion
solar panels yearly, some of them tested right there. The company
estimates 2900 construction jobs and then 2200 permanent jobs at
about 70 grand each with preference to locals if they can learn to
do the highly technical work. 12.5% unemployment in the area means
plenty of folks to choose from. Maybe some unemployed somebody
studied some math/science in school. Total cost is estimated at 4-6
billion dollars. Of course, over time these solar panels, tested
right there on buildings, refined, improved, evolving will generate
a better solar project. The patents will then be Chinese owned.
The future is in green energy here and in the world. But I guess
American investors are short sighted, married to fossil fuels and
government is in their lobby hands as well. So fifty years from
now China will reap the benefits that vision allows. But right away
it could mean a uplift for Laughlin, perhaps Avi especially as they
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')> , "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:Not sure if metro Laughlin could turn into a mecca for the solar
industry. Needs a factory not just a solar power plant. A factory
would provide many more jobs including managment jobs. Have to
move to the u.s.a. from china to run the new factory for x number
of years. Where do you bring your one (maybe two) kid(s). Las
Vegas? I think that may meet with some resistance from family. But
a 90 minute drive from Vegas can be the best of both worlds.
Service between Bullhead and LA airports could kick it off. But
all in all, you sure seem to have fingered Laughlin scene. --- In
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')> , "Bob" <bob972@> wrote:Funny...if a place is showing sign of age, (RP), I always
thought an owner has to dress the place up in order to entice
people to patronize. Doesn't the same principle also apply to
downgrading machines too?********************* I hear this argument often. The role of
downgrading VP pay tables in making a casino attractive is
unclear. We would have to have some hard numbers to see if it
makes a difference. I think those folks who are adding those
kinds of numbers do on think it does. when gambling spread to
local places, and respread, I thought that the competition would
cause the VP to be player friendly, that my local Indian casino
would certainly make nice pay tables to encourage me to play
there. Instead it seemed that Nevada learned from the locals that
for the majority of gamblers, the mathematics does not matter one
bit. They play because they are driven to play, wired to take
risks. This year we see the renovation of the PLaza. So everyone
gets all excited and pays a great deal for the first rooms opened
and loves the glitz and glamour. No one cares that full pay VP
is gone. They care that this celebrity mayor has his name on a
fancy steak. The Gold Spike opens as a boutique casino, and this
poorly located place with the reputation of attracting people
with few teeth and poor diction to play pennies, changes its
image. But there is no pull pay VP tables. And slowly they have
been disappearing everywhere. The same with Blackjack. The Sahara
tried a section of full pay tables. Folks did not rush there.
See where it is now. The Riviera is now trying. They have a $10
single zero roulette wheel, one of two in Las Vegas that is not
high roller. Do you see any one jumping up and down. On roulette
threads I talk about this wheel. No one cares. They care about
their mathematically absurd systems to win, about how they can
get control of the luck with some pattern of magic. I went and
lost $100 last trip and the other double zero wheel was full
while this one was half full, just as it was years ago at the
Stratosphere when they had one, at the same time they had those
wierd pay tables like 9/7 JOB. On a board like this the audience
controls what seems like common sense. It is like going to a
tent revival meeting and talking to your neighbor about how back
in the neighborhood no on seems to care about Jesus anymore.
Unfortunately, Laughlin does not have the choice of really going
upscale like the Plaza is trying to do, because the upper crust
doesn't want to go there. One possible help may be when the "job
creators" invest in the solar factory near Avi and create a bunch
of jobs, draw a bunch of people. Will those folks gamble? Maybe.
Is it reasonable to think that smart people making new technology
will also look for high paytables. Well, I have to tell you that
I have two friends who teach mathematics. Both of them bet the
yo on the craps table and yell to get lucky. I'll wait and see.
They still don't have the money to dress the place up, but they
might when the Chinese are done doing the big math and running
the economy in Laughlin. Unfortunately, so far it looks like many
of the jobs will be going to retrained locals, the same ones who
probably don't gamble. If with all the Chinese money, they
brought over a bunch of Chinese folks who had not seen and
avoided casinos in Laughlin, it might be a better bet. And that
may still happen, once the initial hoopla is over. I think that
the casinos decided that they did not need to compete with one
another as much as they needed to squeeze out a few more dollars
from current players, to attract the players who will more
quickly pump their bankroll into a machine. As long as rooms in
Vegas are just as cheap as rooms in Laughlin, they can't compete.
why would they want educated VP players who might actually
squeeze out a profit anyway? Did the Orleans want them when they
took out their signature 10/7 and replaces it with 9/6 DB? Those
machines are still there. And they get played in spite of the
fact that 9/6 DDB is right in the same row. How much math do you
need to know compare those pay tables? But they get played. And
the El Cortez is on an upswing. Dancer came and taught VP there
and insisted they have full pay. So they did. They put in some
9/6 JOB and then when the classes were over, they took they out.
I am curious as to what the Aquarius will manage. There are
still good pay tables there and they have not been willing to
draw in the $7.77 a night tourist. We'll see if that works. If
not, well we can pray that the Chinese will balance Laughlin's
budgets. Why not, they do it in one way or another for just
about all of America, even the I stand up proud for my country
self congratulatory patriotic claptrap. The same folks who can't
do the math on the VP paytables can't do it when they elect
representatives either. Just like Vegas attracts them when sex
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On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Lawrence wrote:
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM, hedonist144 wrote: