Liberals have no depth of thought. They love their shallow, feel-good
causes but never consider the unintended consequences of their actions.
As long as the green car burns clean, it doesn't matter to them that the
battery charging station is powered by a coal-burning power plant. The
green car batteries cost $5000.00 to replace......but that's OK because
the government will subsidize a new one for me when the time comes.
The liberals love their entitlements until the money runs out and
society implodes. But they won't change course to prevent the implosion
because they can only see as far as their next entitlement. But when the
money runs out, the liberals are the first ones throwing the molotov
cocktails. Funny how that works.
California is a perfect case study of what happens when liberals
control everything. The state is a disaster and the liberals are chasing
away the tax base with higher and higher taxes to fund their ever
growing givaway programs. This vicious downward spiral will ultimately
end with the rest of us bailing California out. I hate the thought of
that.
There were actually a couple of hustler acquaintences I knew back in
the early 2000's in Laughlin, who claimed that they would go to
California occasionally when they went broke......and California would
help them get back on their feet with a "free" cash infusion of a couple
hundred bucks. It wouldn't surprise me if that was true considering how
today's California rolls out the red carpet for the illegals....at the
tax payers' expense, of course.
···
On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:07 PM, hedonist144 wrote:
Yes tell me about buses. Our city learned of a Fed program to
purchase large buses for mass transit (capacity around 45). After a
year many of their routes averaged a bit less than TWO people riding at
any given time. The cost to you and me for each bus was $315,000! No
efficiency there, free cab rides would have been infinitely cheaper.
Mini vans would have been cheaper, but the program mandated a certain
size bus with other equally useless provisions. There is no end to how
much the government can waste. Multiply this program by the thousands
and a person can begin to imagine how idiotic politicians and
bureaucrats can be. The green movement is largely a front for liberal
causes. Doubt that? Remember back when conversation of forests, land,
and water were all the rage, Smokey bear etc. Liberals wanted to do
away with anything with the word conservative in it. Again markets with
the knowledge, intellect, and experience trump the
agendas of a few who believe they and they alone have the answers.
________________________________
From: dewey < deweyfhill@hotmail.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('deweyfhill@hotmail.com')> >
To: vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:34 AM
Subject: [vpFREE_Laughlin] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 24 Dec
No where am I suggesting that the market will currently reflect what
might be good for America 50 years from now. Why would it? Investors
want to make investments and only money is involved in the formula.
Never is the actual cost in pollution or damage to living space figured
in. The market investors don't suffer that loss.
If hydrofracting causes the pollution of water all around the sites in
NY, the gas will still make the investors a nice profit until the
disaster hits.
If green technology doesn't make a quick buck right now, it still may be
a good money maker 50 years from now when China owns all the patents.
The market is just another huge craps table with winners and losers, but
only money matters to investors and short term profit regardless of how
they leave the environment. Right now the rich manage to make money,
but generally at a cost to future inhabitants. We can sometimes
actually invest in what might make a better life for our grandchildren,
but it is hard. This is where government may help.
the complete revamp of Vegas buses is an interesting example of green
thinking starting to be incorporated into actual practice. Federal
stimulus money brought to Vegas a bus system that may not sustain itself
for a while, but as the culture changes and we go for more mass transit
it will. Also, right now the whole bus improvement moves us away from
automobile engine pollution simply by linking buses to bikes and giving
the bike riders a place to repair, store, change clothes so that
benefits everyone breathing in Las Vegas.
Now on Laughlin, the newest news makes your fellas probably right in not
trusting this deal. Seems these particular Chinese are just not too
trustworthy. So, it may be just a too good to be true deal gone sour.
http://4thst8.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/chinese-solar-panel-company-put-on-credit-watch-days-before-laughlin-land-deal/
<http://4thst8.wordpress.com/2011/12/29/chinese-solar-panel-company-put-on-credit-watch-days-before-laughlin-land-deal/>
Just as well from my viewpoint. As much as I'd like to see Laughln
reenergized and the poker tables filled with new folks, I don't want
China controlling American soil. It is bad enough they control American
finances.
Interesting article on solar in India. It shows that even sooner than
we might predict, solar could end up being good for the market as well
as just good for living free of pollution and disease.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/business/energy-environment/in-solar-power-india-begins-living-up-to-its-own-ambitions.html
<http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/29/business/energy-environment/in-solar-power-india-begins-living-up-to-its-own-ambitions.html>
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
, hedonist144 <hedonist144@...> wrote:
Agreed that no one can predict the future with any great certainty.Â
All we can do is put the odds in our favor. That is exactly what the
market has done with solar stocks. A few politicians and bureaucrats
certainly do not possess the knowledge and experience of the rest of
the population or market as a whole. The market has voted with their
own money. Here are some stock stats for 2011: Canadian Solar -79%
First Solar -74.6% JA Solar -81.1% Jinko Solar Holdings -75.6% LDK
Solar -58.2%
If you have some knowledge that the market is not aware of, now could
possibly be a great time for investing in solar. Many people are
having a difficult time paying for utilities now without significantly
increasing costs unnecessarily. By the way are you aware that the
Chinese have been building approximately 1 coal fired power plant per
week for the last few years? And the EPA is worried about hundredths
of a percent of carbon dioxide in auto exhaust.
I agree wholeheartedly with you, not more subsidies for any business,
possible exception for immenent catastrophies affecting us all.________________________________ From: dewey <deweyfhill@...> To:
vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 AM Subject: [vpFREE_Laughlin] Re:
LVA Question of the Day - 24 Dec Well, no one can predict the long term future. I won't be around to
see it.
Water is probably another resource soon coming into its own and not to
be taken for granted. Hydrofracting for all that gas may help make
fresh, unpolluted water an even more rare commodity. And the
statement that natural gas is overall cleaner than the others is not
yet determined, not only for water but for the pollution that might
happen if the extractors are more greedy than careful. It is debated,
not a done decision.
Green either becomes interesting to the rich investor "job creators,"
or we can pay China to become the innovators and get the patents so we
pay them everytime we go green here, or we can pay the costs of all
the environmental disasters that fossil fuels have begun to create
that will escalate here and around the world as much as we try to hide
out heads in the sand.
My bet is that green technology is just beginning, and it matters who
controls the new discoveries and innovations to all the alternative
and clean fuels.
In the short run, however, it is hoped that the Chinese may boost
Laughlin's economy by creating jobs there and most of them will be
local jobs and some of that will spill over to the casinos or even
better, to the live poker tables, where the rake is still a good deal
and equivalent to good VP tables. Once the deal is made, the Chinese
"Job creators" will certainly manage to help the Laughlin depressed
economy more that full VP tables.
And that I will be around to see, God willing and the creek don't
rise.
As for the idea that the government should not get involved in
encouraging new technologies. Well, I might agree if they weren't
already involved in corporate welfare at all levels to keep alive the
traditional rich, those that give a huge disingenuous shout about the
the need for laissez faire government and then become "too big to
fail," when they run into hard times. And there are those that arrange
unnecessary wars to make them even richer.
Government might just as well have some vision as be tied to
established money interests and established wealth. So, it isn't about
whether government should get involved anymore. It is about how they
might get involved, so we just aren't constantly being ripped off by
that military industrial complex that Ike predicted. and we are trying
to have some vision and move into the new century.
If you really want to know the viability of solar, check THEIR stock
prices in 2061.
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
, hedonist144 <hedonist144@> wrote:Exactly. We are now the Saudi Arabia of natural gas, a very low
polluter in comparison to oil and coal. If you want to really
know the viability of solar, check there stock prices (a disaster).________________________________ From: lazy <mikel0601@> To:
vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:53 PM Subject: [vpFREE_Laughlin]
Re: LVA Question of the Day - 24 Dec I'll believe this Laughlin billion-dollar, solar, liberal
pipe-dream when I see it. Green energy may be the future but it's not
anywhere near efficient enough yet to displace fossil fuels. American
venture capitalists know this, and they are far from being
short-sighted. I'd rather have the Chinese dump billions into this
boondoggle, than see our government spend tax dollars on this.
Because when the federal govt. tries to force it, we get Solyndra.
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
, "dewey" <deweyfhill@> wrote:I guess you missed the news details.
http://www.lvrj.com/business/plans-to-move-forward-on-laughlin-solar-plant-get-approval-135951198.html
<http://www.lvrj.com/business/plans-to-move-forward-on-laughlin-solar-plant-get-approval-135951198.html>
note 9,000 acres used as solar farm, factory, research park. Total
cost will be 4-6 billion and they will produce 5.4 billion solar
panels yearly, some of them tested right there.
The company estimates 2900 construction jobs and then 2200 permanent
jobs at about 70 grand each with preference to locals if they can
learn to do the highly technical work. 12.5% unemployment in the
area means plenty of folks to choose from. Maybe some unemployed
somebody studied some math/science in school.
Total cost is estimated at 4-6 billion dollars.
Of course, over time these solar panels, tested right there on
buildings, refined, improved, evolving will generate a better solar
project. The patents will then be Chinese owned. The future is in
green energy here and in the world. But I guess American investors
are short sighted, married to fossil fuels and government is in
their lobby hands as well. So fifty years from now China will reap
the benefits that vision allows. But right away it could mean a
uplift for Laughlin, perhaps Avi especially as they are close.
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
, "Dave" <haaljo@> wrote:Not sure if metro Laughlin could turn into a mecca for the solar
industry. Needs a factory not just a solar power plant. A factory
would provide many more jobs including managment jobs.
Have to move to the u.s.a. from china to run the new factory for x
number of years. Where do you bring your one (maybe two) kid(s).
Las Vegas? I think that may meet with some resistance from family.
But a 90 minute drive from Vegas can be the best of both worlds.
Service between Bullhead and LA airports could kick it off.
But all in all, you sure seem to have fingered Laughlin scene.
--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
, "dewey" <deweyfhill@> wrote:--- In vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
, "Bob" <bob972@> wrote:Funny...if a place is showing sign of age, (RP), I always thought
an owner has to dress the place up in order to entice people to
patronize. Doesn't the same principle also apply to downgrading
machines too?*********************
I hear this argument often. The role of downgrading VP pay tables
in making a casino attractive is unclear. We would have to have
some hard numbers to see if it makes a difference. I think those
folks who are adding those kinds of numbers do on think it does.
when gambling spread to local places, and respread, I thought that
the competition would cause the VP to be player friendly, that my
local Indian casino would certainly make nice pay tables to
encourage me to play there. Instead it seemed that Nevada learned
from the locals that for the majority of gamblers, the mathematics
does not matter one bit. They play because they are driven to
play, wired to take risks. This year we see the renovation of the
PLaza. So everyone gets all excited and pays a great deal for the
first rooms opened and loves the glitz and glamour. No one cares
that full pay VP is gone. They care that this celebrity mayor has
his name on a fancy steak. The Gold Spike opens as a boutique
casino, and this poorly located place with the reputation of
attracting people with few teeth and poor diction to play pennies,
changes its image. But there is no pull pay VP tables. And slowly
they have been disappearing everywhere. The same with Blackjack.
The Sahara tried a section of full pay tables. Folks did not rush
there. See where it is now. The Riviera is now trying. They have
a $10 single zero roulette wheel, one of two in Las Vegas that is
not high roller. Do you see any one jumping up and down. On
roulette threads I talk about this wheel. No one cares. They
care about their mathematically absurd systems to win, about how
they can get control of the luck with some pattern of magic. I
went and lost $100 last trip and the other double zero wheel was
full while this one was half full, just as it was years ago at the
Stratosphere when they had one, at the same time they had those
wierd pay tables like 9/7 JOB. On a board like this the audience
controls what seems like common sense. It is like going to a tent
revival meeting and talking to your neighbor about how back in the
neighborhood no on seems to care about Jesus anymore.
Unfortunately, Laughlin does not have the choice of really going
upscale like the Plaza is trying to do, because the upper crust
doesn't want to go there. One possible help may be when the "job
creators" invest in the solar factory near Avi and create a bunch
of jobs, draw a bunch of people. Will those folks gamble? Maybe.
Is it reasonable to think that smart people making new technology
will also look for high paytables. Well, I have to tell you that
I have two friends who teach mathematics. Both of them bet the yo
on the craps table and yell to get lucky. I'll wait and see. They
still don't have the money to dress the place up, but they might
when the Chinese are done doing the big math and running the
economy in Laughlin. Unfortunately, so far it looks like many of
the jobs will be going to retrained locals, the same ones who
probably don't gamble. If with all the Chinese money, they brought
over a bunch of Chinese folks who had not seen and avoided casinos
in Laughlin, it might be a better bet. And that may still happen,
once the initial hoopla is over. I think that the casinos decided
that they did not need to compete with one another as much as they
needed to squeeze out a few more dollars from current players, to
attract the players who will more quickly pump their bankroll into
a machine. As long as rooms in Vegas are just as cheap as rooms in
Laughlin, they can't compete. why would they want educated VP
players who might actually squeeze out a profit anyway? Did the
Orleans want them when they took out their signature 10/7 and
replaces it with 9/6 DB? Those machines are still there. And they
get played in spite of the fact that 9/6 DDB is right in the same
row. How much math do you need to know compare those pay tables?
But they get played. And the El Cortez is on an upswing. Dancer
came and taught VP there and insisted they have full pay. So they
did. They put in some 9/6 JOB and then when the classes were
over, they took they out.
I am curious as to what the Aquarius will manage. There are still
good pay tables there and they have not been willing to draw in
the $7.77 a night tourist. We'll see if that works. If not, well
we can pray that the Chinese will balance Laughlin's budgets. Why
not, they do it in one way or another for just about all of
America, even the I stand up proud for my country self
congratulatory patriotic claptrap. The same folks who can't do
the math on the VP paytables can't do it when they elect
representatives either. Just like Vegas attracts them when sex is
the issue, polititians are generally elected or not on their sex
life not on their mathematical ideas.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
<javascript:parent.wgMail.openComposeWindow('vpFREE_Laughlin@yahoogroups.com')>
<http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]