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LVA Question of the Day - 23 JAN 2009

Who started this tipping business to people who come around to pay you when you win back some of your losses? I understand Bob Dancer or Jean Frugal or Strictly Slots or Casino Player touting us to tip everyone, because their livelihood depends on casinos, and they will be treated well for endorsing tipping these employees.

We all know that waitresses aren't paid much,and are expecting tips (although since ticket-in, ticket out, the tip which used to be a couple of quarters from the tray, has evolved into a buck a drink, gving these waitresses a higher income than most teachers.

However, don't these personnel who hand-pay jackpots, make a decent salary? Why would they expect us to give up part of our small (below 100%) return to them? We go from casino to casino looking for .25% increase in return. We are thrilled to play 9/6 JOB, which returns only 99.54% (including a normal amount of royal flushes), yet we are touted to give away anywhere from .5% to 1% of our return on the occasion of hitting a jackpot. It doesn't seem to make sense. That jackpot is part of the 99.54%, not an extra bonus.

Next they will start telling us to tip the cashier who cashes the ticket, leave some money in a cup atop the machine that cashes out the tickets, or tip the security guard who says good morning when you enter the casino.

Tipping these people makes sense for Jean Frugal or Bob Dancer. It doesn't make sense for a person losing hundreds of dollars per trip. I would rather give something to my fellow vp player who is having an unlucky day, than to give it to a decently paid worker who is just doing her job.

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Louis Mogol wrote:

Who started this tipping business to people who come around to pay
you when you win back some of your losses?
I would rather give something to my fellow vp player who is having
an unlucky day, than to give it to a decently paid worker who is
just doing her job.

Why the hell would you give such a damn about someone suggesting
someone should tip, in a situation where you clearly don't intend to
tip? Just do as your heart guides you.

- H.

We all know that waitresses aren't paid much,and are expecting tips

(although
since ticket-in, ticket out, the tip which used to be a couple of
quarters from
the tray, has evolved into a buck a drink, gving these waitresses a
higher
income than most teachers.<<<

Wow a couple quaters. Man I tip a minumim of a buck. Some girls
get more due to the fact the give great servie. They are not there to
be my friend or talk to mejust to give me a drink. A couple girls at
the rampart are the best in town.

O yeah and most are better looking than school teachers.

Louis Mogol wrote:

Who started this tipping business to people who come around to pay you
when you win back some of your losses?
I would rather give something to my fellow vp player who is having an
unlucky day, than to give it to a decently paid worker who is just
doing her job.

Why the hell would you give such a damn about someone suggesting someone
should tip, in a situation where you clearly don't intend to tip?

----What??? He's not allowed to express his opinion? What's up with that?

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
Harry Porter
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 3:10 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 23 JAN 2009

Scot Krause wrote:

----What??? He's not allowed to express his opinion? What's up with
that?

I didn't suggest that at all. I'm just curious why he's so bent out
of shape on this one.

When I read general advice from someone that runs far outside of my
own sensibilities, I'm most likely to say, "piss off", and go on with
my business.

- H.

For me, I feel called to combat the self-serving propaganda campaign
perpetuated by people in the service industry who attempt to guilt people
into bigger and bigger tips.

Tipping slot attendants and dealers is never required.

Cogno

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Of Harry Porter
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:13 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 23 JAN 2009

Scot Krause wrote:
> ----What??? He's not allowed to express his opinion? What's up with
> that?

I didn't suggest that at all. I'm just curious why he's so bent out
of shape on this one.

When I read general advice from someone that runs far outside of my
own sensibilities, I'm most likely to say, "piss off", and go on with
my business.

- H.

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When I read general advice from someone that runs far outside of my own
sensibilities, I'm most likely to say, "piss off", and go on with my
business.

--Then I guess I'm wondering why you didn't "piss off" and "get on with your
business" instead of a snide comment about someone's opinion? Actually (I
thought) it was a good post considering the topic. Makes no never mind to
me, just curious about all the fuss over this post by you. But we all know
tipping is sore subject anyway.

Regards,

Scot

... and purely personal. (except if your party has 8 or more....LOL)

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@...> wrote:

tipping is sore subject anyway.

Regards,

Scot

Scot Krause wrote:

--Then I guess I'm wondering why you didn't "piss off" and "get on
with your business" instead of a snide comment about someone's
opinion? Actually (I thought) it was a good post considering the
topic. Makes no never mind to me, just curious about all the fuss
over this post by you. But we all know tipping is sore subject
anyway.

I don't see anything snide in, "Why the hell would you give such a
damn about someone suggesting someone should tip, in a situation where
you clearly don't intend to tip?"

It's a straight-up question inviting a straight-up answer ... that
has the potential for me to "get" Louis' perspective a little more
clearly. (No doubt, "snide" is in the eye of the beholder.)

Cogno, responding merely from his own viewpoint, offered an entirely
sensible reply.

- H.

I don't see anything snide in, "Why the hell would you give such a damn
about someone suggesting someone should tip, in a situation where you
clearly don't intend to tip?"

It's a straight-up question inviting a straight-up answer ... that has the
potential for me to "get" Louis' perspective a little more clearly. (No
doubt, "snide" is in the eye of the beholder.)

Cogno, responding merely from his own viewpoint, offered an entirely
sensible reply.

---Whatever. You win. Just didn't sound like something you would normally
write. Maybe I took it wrong. Sorry I wasn't "sensible."

Regards,

Scot

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Harry Porter
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:31 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: LVA Question of the Day - 23 JAN 2009

The amount to tip a slot attendant is a constant argument i have with
many people. Since the 'jackpot' amount is determined by the casino
and in some circumstances by the slot attendants input the tip should
not be just an automatic occurrence. In one casino i have played in
the jackpots are set at anything over $100 on a nickel machine. So if
you win $150 dollars it is a hand paid and people then tip. Other
casino's nickel machines don't go into lock-up jackpot unless the
nickel game pays $500 or more. So the whole jackpot event is
determined by marketing excitement in the casino. It has nothing to
do with luck or anything else. It is known as a 'point of contact'
and is intended to induce a higher level of adrenaline and increase
the likelihood of developing a loyal customer. In reality it
generally is the first step in someone developing a gambling problem.
Also when machines had coins it was also used to prevent the needless
re-filling of the hopper when a win was bigger than the capacity.
Slot attendants are already paid like regular employees and not like
wait staff. So when you tip them you are including them in your
winnings even though they have nothing to do with the outcome. They
only suggest lower jackpot lock-ups to increase tips. They never have
any input on where the loose machines are placed nor do they ever
share in your losses. The tipping of a slot attendant seems rather
silly and pointless. The person tipping is excited by the ringing of
a bell and some flashing candle light. Whoopeee! This whole event is
a set up. Tipping on this makes the jackpot recipient look like a
fool. I have witnessed people put 25 grand in a machine, win a 20
grand royal and then tip 400 dollars.???

Anyways my policy is to tip only when I have received excellent
service throughout the evening where i have won many jackpots, the
attendant has paid me more than twice and has never lost enthusiasm
and service when earlier denied a tip.

Try it sometime. Get some hand pays and don't tip. See what happens.
The money still comes and the machines don't get any tighter.

Just my opinion.

Who started this tipping business to people who come around to pay

you when you win back some of your losses? I understand Bob Dancer or
Jean Frugal or Strictly Slots or Casino Player touting us to tip
everyone, because their livelihood depends on casinos, and they will
be treated well for endorsing tipping these employees.

We all know that waitresses aren't paid much,and are expecting tips

(although since ticket-in, ticket out, the tip which used to be a
couple of quarters from the tray, has evolved into a buck a drink,
gving these waitresses a higher income than most teachers.

However, don't these personnel who hand-pay jackpots, make a decent

salary? Why would they expect us to give up part of our small (below
100%) return to them? We go from casino to casino looking for .25%
increase in return. We are thrilled to play 9/6 JOB, which returns
only 99.54% (including a normal amount of royal flushes), yet we are
touted to give away anywhere from .5% to 1% of our return on the
occasion of hitting a jackpot. It doesn't seem to make sense. That
jackpot is part of the 99.54%, not an extra bonus.

Next they will start telling us to tip the cashier who cashes the

ticket, leave some money in a cup atop the machine that cashes out
the tickets, or tip the security guard who says good morning when you
enter the casino.

Tipping these people makes sense for Jean Frugal or Bob Dancer. It

doesn't make sense for a person losing hundreds of dollars per trip.
I would rather give something to my fellow vp player who is having an
unlucky day, than to give it to a decently paid worker who is just
doing her job.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Louis Mogol" <LouMogol@...> wrote:

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...>whole jackpot event is

determined by marketing excitement in the casino. It has nothing to
do with luck or anything else. It is known as a 'point of contact'
and is intended to induce a higher level of adrenaline ...

Exactly true where I play. Quad deuces on $1 NSUD pay $1000 by handpay. I don't tip anything (at least on the first jackpot of a session) because I don't believe it should be a handpay in the first place. (On selected machines in this casino, it ISN'T a handpay!?!) I've been told by the staff that the only reason it's a handpay is to let other customers know that someone is winning something. At 5 a.m., there's scarely anyone else around to witness this.
-- Steve in LV