"vpFREE Administrator" wrote:
The December 2nd LVA News is reporting that a decision by a North LV court
allows an 86'd video poker player to continue playing at Jerry's Nugget.
See the "Casinos vs. Players" item:
Here's a copy of the court's order:
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/images/OrdertoDismiss.PDF
<a href="http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/images/OrdertoDismiss.PDF">
http://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/images/OrdertoDismiss.PDF</a>
Robert Nersession strikes again! Unbelievabe. I really don't know what to make of it. I know when Ken Uston both won his lawsuit in New Jersey but lost in Nevada, blackjack went to pot in Atlantic City but remained pretty good in Nevada for a lot of years.
I've been backed off of plays before but the only place that flat out 86'd me was Harrah's Tahoe. I was sweeping out flush attacks and jackpot cards, and taking every play I could get on the advantage slots.
About 8 years ago Peppermill/Reno put in a big bank with dollar FPDW. We were gettig addons out of the Peppermillionaire kiosk or whatever it was called. There was a parallel drawing promotion and tickets were based on action. It was highly lucrative.
After 3 days of pounding on the deuces Al and I were excluded from all drawings and special events. We didn't even make it to the first drawing. But we still beat the play. We could have kept playing without the drawing but there were better plays around at the time.
What was funny about the whole thing was Al had been working the poker games at the Pepp and didn't know there was a big vp play going on. Then one night he's at the poker table and they start calling winners in the drawing. He kept hearing the name of a certain well known nationwide burnout artist.
Al went snooping around and then called me. We didn't last long though.
Yeah, it took me a moment to recognize the name Nersesian. I have his book, I guess I should have known it right away.
Mickey, I posted something similar about New Jersey blackjack and another poster took issue with it. I don't know enough about it to speak further, but I had understood it to be as you just related, i.e., Uston's lawsuit. Is there another way of looking at it that I had missed? See what the other poster said in this same thread.
By the way, speaking of 86ing vp players, hasn't El Cortez done something like that? What are these casinos thinking? I mean, that is such bad p.r. I think I can coin a new phrase. I'll call it "old-school-stupid!" lol
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
Robert Nersession strikes again! Unbelievabe. I really don't know what to make of it. I know when Ken Uston both won his lawsuit in New Jersey but lost in Nevada, blackjack went to pot in Atlantic City but remained pretty good in Nevada for a lot of years.
I've been backed off of plays before but the only place that flat out 86'd me was Harrah's Tahoe. I was sweeping out flush attacks and jackpot cards, and taking every play I could get on the advantage slots.
About 8 years ago Peppermill/Reno put in a big bank with dollar FPDW. We were gettig addons out of the Peppermillionaire kiosk or whatever it was called. There was a parallel drawing promotion and tickets were based on action. It was highly lucrative.
After 3 days of pounding on the deuces Al and I were excluded from all drawings and special events. We didn't even make it to the first drawing. But we still beat the play. We could have kept playing without the drawing but there were better plays around at the time.
What was funny about the whole thing was Al had been working the poker games at the Pepp and didn't know there was a big vp play going on. Then one night he's at the poker table and they start calling winners in the drawing. He kept hearing the name of a certain well known nationwide burnout artist.
Al went snooping around and then called me. We didn't last long though.
I'm not in the best of shape today to recall things. Cold sweats all night. I've been using the shower for a sauna all day. One of the reasons I want to get off and stay off booze is I know how bad it has effected my brain. My memory has gone to pot. I've always had a photographic memory but it's not so photographic these days. I hope it comes back someday.
My recall of the Uston New Jersey lawsuit is that since casinos could no longer bar skilled players they had no choice but to institute BJ rules that were so bad for the players that the skilled players were no longer interested in the game.
Uston lost the Nevada lawsuit which meant Nevada casinos could still offer good rules to bad players since they still had the right to cull out the skilled players.
I think this new lawsuit is probably a good thing since it reinforces that casinos need to stay away from using heavy handed tactics.
I played the Jokers at the El Cortez usually when they had a cashback point promotion. My memory is so bad I can't remember what the number was but if you ran your cashback over a certain amount, the boothling had to get a supervisor to sign off on it. That supervisor was the heat. The trick was to take the cashback before it got that high.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bobbartop" <bobbartop@...> wrote:
Yeah, it took me a moment to recognize the name Nersesian. I have >his book, I guess I should have known it right away.
Mickey, I posted something similar about New Jersey blackjack and >another poster took issue with it. I don't know enough about it to >speak further, but I had understood it to be as you just related, >i.e., Uston's lawsuit. Is there another way of looking at it that I >had missed? See what the other poster said in this same thread.
By the way, speaking of 86ing vp players, hasn't El Cortez done >something like that? What are these casinos thinking? I mean, that >is such bad p.r. I think I can coin a new phrase. I'll call >it "old->school-stupid!" lol
I understand. Hang in there, buddy!
I never understood the whole alcoholic thing until I befriended a couple poker players back in the 80s, they were both intelligent and good friends and great to be around when they were off that stuff. I cannot believe how totally bonkers they went when just starting with that one drink again. Maybe a bad night at the tables, or some little thing in their life would set them off, life is full of "reasons", and then it was drink drink drink until they hit rock bottom, detox, programs, the whole 9 yards. Then they'd start over again, building their life again, trying it again. One of the two died a young 60, and the other friend is doing great and dealing poker in Phoenix, as far as I know he has been off the sauce all these years. Haven't talked to him in a couple years, maybe I'll try to call him this Christmas. Knowing those two guys really opened my eyes about how serious a booze problem can be.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
I'm not in the best of shape today to recall things. Cold sweats all night. I've been using the shower for a sauna all day. One of the reasons I want to get off and stay off booze is I know how bad it has effected my brain. My memory has gone to pot. I've always had a photographic memory but it's not so photographic these days. I hope it comes back someday.