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So they think their guests want non-smoking in their rooms and in their restaurants, shops and public areas, but as soon as they step onto the casino floor they long to be engulfed in a haze of second hand smoke? This is nothing new About 2/3 - 3/4 of the rooms in LV hotels are non-smoking, but when the guests descend to the casino, there's not even a non-smoking area available.
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Skip Hughes wrote:
So they think their guests want non-smoking in their rooms and in
their restaurants, shops and public areas, but as soon as they step
onto the casino floor they long to be engulfed in a haze of second
hand smoke?
Of course, outside of this, we've never witnessed casino schizophrenic
behavior 
I fully expect casinos to ignore the preferences of likely most guests
and employees for a smoke-free environment and fight tooth and nail
against any non-smoking legislation.
Casinos are doing just that in waging a behind the scenes battle
against the NJ non-smoking initiative spearheaded by the outgoing
governor. It only stands to reason. Who'd want gamblers taking
frequent breaks from the tables and machines with an opportunity to
reconsider their losses or the desirability of walking with any gains?
- H.
It's just a question of time, most poker rooms are now smokeless,
eventually the casino industry will realize it is liable to
second-hand smoking lawsuits, from customers and employees.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...> wrote:
Skip Hughes wrote:
> So they think their guests want non-smoking in their rooms and in
> their restaurants, shops and public areas, but as soon as they step
> onto the casino floor they long to be engulfed in a haze of second
> hand smoke?Of course, outside of this, we've never witnessed casino schizophrenic
behaviorI fully expect casinos to ignore the preferences of likely most guests
and employees for a smoke-free environment and fight tooth and nail
against any non-smoking legislation.Casinos are doing just that in waging a behind the scenes battle
against the NJ non-smoking initiative spearheaded by the outgoing
governor. It only stands to reason. Who'd want gamblers taking
frequent breaks from the tables and machines with an opportunity to
reconsider their losses or the desirability of walking with any gains?- H.
nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:
It's just a question of time, most poker rooms are now smokeless,
eventually the casino industry will realize it is liable to
second-hand smoking lawsuits, from customers and employees.
It's incredibly refreshing anytime I encounter someone with rosier
expectations than myself ... and who'd have thunk it would be you, iggy!
- H.
yeah, I noticed some poker rooms are smokeless, anyone know for what
reason this area was singled out?
On 12/6/05, nightoftheiguana2000 <nightoftheiguana2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's just a question of time, most poker rooms are now smokeless,
eventually the casino industry will realize it is liable to
second-hand smoking lawsuits, from customers and employees.---
Do you think it may have been because there were a flood of requests and this is a
growing source of revenue for the casinos.
Juts a guess, but it is nice to contemplate
bl.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, LHOOQ <fieldcommand@g...> wrote:
yeah, I noticed some poker rooms are smokeless, anyone know for what
reason this area was singled out?
bornloser1537 replied to:
"Do you think it may have been because there were a flood of
requests and this is a growing source of revenue for the casinos."
with:
Juts a guess, but it is nice to contemplate
I'll note that there's a considerable difference in the economics of a
poker room player and other casino players. And, a poker player who
desires a smoke after a session need only step into the rest of the
casino ... not outside altogether as is the case with an indoor
smoking restriction.
But I think the real difference is the greater compulsive nature of
casino play (slots in particular) that suffers a marked interruption
when play is broken. As I noted before, it gives the player the
opportunity to consider whether they want to continue losing, or for
that matter, escape with the spoils of a winning streak. Don't we
generally find it true on occasion in our own play?
As a whole, I expect that poker players are more deliberative in their
play and enter it with a firmer strategy. While there may be
competitive advantages to a single casino going smoke free (something
I'm not prepared to debate), a wholesale smoking ban, such as is
contemplated in NJ, will hit the bottom line solidly.
- Harry
Harry, NJ (and the whole casino industry) could be in for a nice surprise if their wholesale ban goes through. Many people (myself included) will not play in casinos that are too smoky. I don't have stats on how many smokers are out there, but I think it's somewhere between a quarter and a third of the population. If that's true, the smokers could be keeping a lot of non-smokers out of the casinos and the ban could ultimately result in more non-smokers coming out and delivering dollars to the casinos' bottom lines. That's what happened with smoking bans in bars and restaurants in NY and Los Angeles. Lainie
Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote: While there may be
competitive advantages to a single casino going smoke free (something
I'm not prepared to debate), a wholesale smoking ban, such as is
contemplated in NJ, will hit the bottom line solidly.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Lainie Wolf <lainiewolf702@y...>
wrote:
Harry, NJ (and the whole casino industry) could be in for a nice
surprise if their wholesale ban goes through. Many people (myself
included) will not play in casinos that are too smoky. I don't have
stats on how many smokers are out there, but I think it's somewhere
between a quarter and a third of the population. If that's true,
the smokers could be keeping a lot of non-smokers out of the casinos
and the ban could ultimately result in more non-smokers coming out
and delivering dollars to the casinos' bottom lines. That's what
happened with smoking bans in bars and restaurants in NY and Los
Angeles. Lainie
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I cannot document these numbers but I saw them posted once and they
seemed credible. 25% of the people smoke, whereas 50 % of casino
patrons are smokers.
So yes, I think the casinos are missing a large potential population
that they could at least cater to by a minimum of an effective
nonsmoking floor/side etc. By effective, I mean where the available
machines, tables, paybacks etc are comparable on both sides.
Unfortunately, the meager attempts that I have seen at non-smoking
sections are usuallly fraught with handmedown machines (not a table
plalyer).
DWK
Harrah's Laughlin has the best non-smoking section I've seen. The unfortunate part about it is that because so many non-smokers don't play in the main casino, the main casino gets even smokier than most (because all the smokers are concentrated). I think that the casinos are so afraid of alienating the foreign tourists by going more non-smoking that they rig their tests of non-smoking casinos to fail. This way, they can say, "see, we tried it, and it didn't work." Too many times and in too many industries, we've seen how that's what leads to drastic action, such as bans.
On a related note, I was wondering... If a W-2 is a wage statement, does the "W" stand for "Wage"? If so, could the IRS imply that a W-2G is a type of wage statement? Following this line of thinking, if you get several W-2Gs from a casino, does that make you a de facto part time employee of that casino? If so, could someone who has lots of W-2Gs (and therefore prove that they spend lots of time in that casino) file for Workers' Comp if they get sick from the second hand smoke -- or if they need treatment for their Carpal Tunnel Syndrome? I wonder what would happen... deuceswild1000 <deuceswild1000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, the meager attempts that I have seen at non-smoking
sections are usuallly fraught with handmedown machines
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