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Luck/short-term

Judging from your post - where you appeared to be increasingly confused the more you wrote - you seem to require basic instruction regarding subject concepts. Rather than make this a 50-50 discussion on vpfree, just let me know when you'd like to have some education on either or both subjects - which you did request. I'll be happy to help.

confused the more you wrote - you seem to require basic instruction
regarding subject concepts. Rather than make this a 50-50 discussion
on vpfree, just let me know when you'd like to have some education on
either or both subjects - which you did request. I'll be happy to help.

I can't tell which post you are replying to, Rob. I see this a lot. I
wish people would provide at least the name of the person they are
replying to.
Sal

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rsinger1111@c...> wrote:

Judging from your post - where you appeared to be increasingly

Sorry Sally--it was this one.

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From: "mkl54321" <mkl54321@y...>
      Date: Wed Jul 16, 2003 9:30 am
      Subject: Re: "Luck" and "short term": two meaningless, illusory concepts

      Recent posts discussing the above's effect on VP results encourage
      me to get on the ol' reality soapbox once more:

      First of all, THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "LUCK". If you say in
      response, "Of course there is!", then I challenge you in return to
      show me just what it constitutes; what makes it real. Is it a
      physical force or object, some kind of radiation--- if it's REAL,
      what form does its reality assume? If you say that it exists in some
      manner, then take the instance of the "lucky" poker player who wins
      six pots in a row: then "luck" was intelligent and skillful enough
      to INTERVENE in the "normal" flow of events to ALTER the
      distribution of the cards so as to give the "lucky" man several
      winning hands. At the very least, then, we are granting "luck" high
      intelligence and telekinesthic powers. Similarly, if I get "lucky"
      and hit three royals in an hour at VP, then the "luck" fairy somehow
      altered the electronics of my machine in my favor. Powerful indeed!

      The fallacy here can be easily illustrated by considering a lottery
      with a million entrants and one winner. Everyone would say the
      winner was "lucky", but does that mean that some mystical force
      guided him to the winning numbers/ticket/whatever? In reality, the
      winner is no "luckier" than everyone else is; SOMEONE had to win.

      It's hard to let go of this concept, which is so deeply rooted in
      our psyches. We observe that life is unfair and random, and we have
      to invent some force or power to explain it, because we feel that
      unfairness is not the way things "should be". In fact,
      mathematically, when the goodies of life are distributed randomly,
      the distribution WILL be unfair, and THAT is the "natural order" of
      things.

      The other concept that we need to get rid of is the idea of
      the "short term". Since this idea has a constantly fluctuating
      meaning, according to the person using it, it becomes worthless as a
      frame of reference. We can arbitrarily stop gambling at any point,
      for any period or after any period of time, and assess the results.
      The period we choose is likely to be self-serving, as in "I had a
      winning day/week/month/year." We can manufacture results to fit any
      precooked conclusion we want; for instance, a certain RS uses a
      SINGLE HAND to define "short term", in order to produce as
      many "short term winners" as possible.

      If we get rid of these twin superstitions, we can be more realistic
      about assessing our results in gambling and in life. But it's hard
      to get rid of irrationality, which still dominates people's thinking
      in this supposed age of science (look how many people believe in/are
      willing to kill for religion/Godism, for example).
     
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Sally
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:37 PM
  Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Luck/short-term

  --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <rsinger1111@c...> wrote:
  > Judging from your post - where you appeared to be increasingly
  confused the more you wrote - you seem to require basic instruction
  regarding subject concepts. Rather than make this a 50-50 discussion
  on vpfree, just let me know when you'd like to have some education on
  either or both subjects - which you did request. I'll be happy to help.

  I can't tell which post you are replying to, Rob. I see this a lot. I
  wish people would provide at least the name of the person they are
  replying to.
  Sal

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