Hi,
I' new to the group and have a question.
I have been playing quarter FPDW since moving to las Vegas 4 years ago.
I practiced with Winpoker and VPSM and I have done very well for all
this time.
Several months ago I started to go on this huge losing streak and I
can not get off of it. I have trouble getting a wild royal. Put money
in the machine and it gets sucked up in a few minutes. My bankroll is
about gone.
Any advice?
Thanks so much.
Losing Streak
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas K Fretz" <aceofhearts2@c...>
wrote:
Several months ago I started to go on this huge losing streak and
I
can not get off of it. I have trouble getting a wild royal. Put
money
in the machine and it gets sucked up in a few minutes. My bankroll
is
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about gone.
Any advice?
Thanks so much.
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I too have suffered from a very long losing streak. I WAS playing
daily and have $230,000 coin-in since my last Royal on single line
quarters. I had a session last week where I lost $400 and only had
$764 coin-in for the session.
What to do? Well, I've cut way back on the play and have fired my
gardner. I am bidding my time waiting for this losing streak to end,
and it will (I hope). I've had losing streaks before although not
quite this bad. If you don't have the funds to continue, then you're
in deep trouble. Otherwise, keep at it and eventually it should turn
around.
PS: I was at GVR playing last week with another of my local friends.
As I continued to lose during the day, he hit three dollar royals
and four sets of Aces w/kicker! It's called luck!
The easy answer is to either replenish your bankroll or stop
playing. Other solutions might include dropping down in denomination
or playing a different VP game.
I play almost every day, and in 2004, suffered the same sort of
streak playing 10/7 DB and 10/6 DDB. Over 300 sessions during the
year and 1 Royal to show for the effort. And that was on a nickel
machine!
This year has been much better. So let me conclude by saying your
streak will end. I can only hope you are getting some quad 2's to
help extend your sessions.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas K Fretz" <aceofhearts2@c...>
wrote:
Several months ago I started to go on this huge losing streak and
I can not get off of it. I have trouble getting a wild royal. Put
money in the machine and it gets sucked up in a few minutes. My
bankroll is
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about gone.
From: "Douglas K Fretz" <aceofhearts2@cox.net>
Several months ago I started to go on this huge losing streak and I
can not get off of it. I have trouble getting a wild royal. Put money
in the machine and it gets sucked up in a few minutes. My bankroll is
about gone.
Any advice?
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Beer. Lots of it. Actually this works well while on a winning streak too.
Short of that, either keep playing or quit. Long term will kick in someday.
SK
"The trouble with hitting the jackpot on a slot machine is that it takes
so long to put the money back."
"On some days, my head is filled with such wild and original thoughts
that I can barely utter a word. On other days, the liquor store is
closed."
Several months ago I started to go on this huge losing streak and I
can not get off of it. I have trouble getting a wild royal. Put money
in the machine and it gets sucked up in a few minutes. My bankroll is
about gone.
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Douglas K Fretz" <aceofhearts2@c...> wrote:
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Hi Doug,
You have my sympathy!!
I have playing vp for 25 years+ and have been on the right side of
the bell curve more often than not. But, every so often, I go down
the tubes for several trips in a row, and it is always agonzing until
the streak ends.
I have had several losing trips thia year, and have yet to snag a
royal in 2005! Usually, if the royal is elusive, it is impossible
to hold on to your bankroll, session after session.
If you are practicing on your computer, and are confident that you
are playing proper strategy, hang-in, things WILL change.
If your bankroll is depleted, take some time off to build it up again,
and, perhaps, drop down in denom. initially, when you start playing
again.
If it is any consolation, despite having gone through many losing
streaks, over 25 years I AM ahead of the game.
I wish you luck in the future, and hope that things turn positive
quickly.
Cheers,
Babe
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" <jackessiebabe@y...>
wrote:
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If it is any consolation, despite having gone through many losing
streaks, over 25 years I AM ahead of the game.Cheers,
Babe
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Babe,
Interesting!
Just curious...IF you would just count the last 4-5 years (remember
that horrible September 11) of playing vp, do you think you would
still be ahead of the game? (despite the disappearance of many
FPDW, etc. and the emergence of many Indian casinos and reduced pay
schedules) I learned/started vp around the end of 2000 so I must
have missed the good old days when casinos have plenty of 'positive'
machines such as the FPDW.
I wonder how others are doing between 2001 and 2005?
Thanks.
Gilbert
If it is any consolation, despite having gone through many losing
streaks, over 25 years I AM ahead of the game.
Cheers,
Babe
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" wrote:
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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@y...> wrote
Babe,
Interesting!
Just curious...IF you would just count the last 4-5 years (remember
that horrible September 11) of playing vp, do you think you would
still be ahead of the game? (despite the disappearance of many
FPDW, etc.
I learned/started vp around the end of 2000 so I must have missed
the good old days when casinos have plenty of 'positive' machines
such as the FPDW.
I wonder how others are doing between 2001 and 2005?
Thanks.
Gilbert
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Hi Gilbert,
Actually, almost all my really nice winning sessions occured between
1990 and the present. Prior to the early 90's (and the advent of
the VP gurus) there was not much vp around except JoB. Also before
that period there were few if any good tutorial programs. Therefore,
I played by the "seat-of-my-pants", trying to utilize "good card
sense". I nearly always went home at least a small loser.
Admittedly, my bankroll was slimmer in those days, but, probably had
it been much fatter, I would still have gone home with less cash
than that with with I had started.
I learned HOW to play vp from the late, great Lenny Frome and his
published strategy charts. But there were no computer programs on
which to practice. I truly believe that having the advantage of
practicing on BDWP & Frugal VP, compensates to some degree, for the
scarcity of high pay schedule VP. If I couldn't find ANY 100% games
(at my .25/.50/1.00 level) I'm sure that I'd feel differently. But
they are still out there, if one is willing to take the time to
search for the opportunties, and especially to utilize the resources
provided by vpFREE and Skip's excellent site.
I actually had my BEST winning sessions from the beginning of 2000
to the end of 2004, when I was definetly on the right side of the
curve. Winning is so much more fun, and one can really get used
to it. In those days, it was a bad trip trip indeed, when I didn't
score at least one RF. That's why it's very difficult to accept my
current drought. I definetly got spoiled!
Anyway, that's the long-winded answer to your question.
Cheers,
Babe
There are vpFREE polls for 2001 thru 2004 results:
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/P.htm
<a href="http://members.cox.net/vpfree/P.htm">
http://members.cox.net/vpfree/P.htm</a>
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On 24 May 2005 at 21:16, gilbert_616 wrote:
I wonder how others are doing between 2001 and 2005?
I just started getting serious about VP in mid 03, probably mostly due
to good randomness, 03 was positive, then 04 was very positive, this
year has been a real struggle and a couple of freinds/family have
asked 'when I am going to quit' I dont have a great answer for them
except that I belive I am playing better games with more skill and
better promos and 'hopefully' things will turn around for me. I am
not a 'give up' type of person and do hope I can 'weather the storm'.
I am in the 'the machines are fair' camp and do understand the
joy/pain of 'randomness', right now I am trying to get thru the pain,
so I can find my rainbow of joy (maybe a dealt RF on 50 play).
Happy Royals
Jim
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@y...> wrote:
Interesting!
Just curious...IF you would just count the last 4-5 years (remember
that horrible September 11) of playing vp, do you think you would
still be ahead of the game? (despite the disappearance of many
FPDW, etc. and the emergence of many Indian casinos and reduced pay
schedules) I learned/started vp around the end of 2000 so I must
have missed the good old days when casinos have plenty of 'positive'
machines such as the FPDW.I wonder how others are doing between 2001 and 2005?
Thanks.
Gilbert
Hey I've got a question for you guys. You memtioned that you became
serious a few years ago. Since I not from vegas, I don't have the
oppurtunities that you have to be "serious". How much time does a
serious player put into the machines a day, week or month? You see
other players, how much time do they put into it? Is it all
determined by coupons, slot club offers or the distance you have to
go to the casino? Does a serious player have a daily and monthly
bankroll? If it were up to me I wouldn't walk into the casino unless
I had $500 dollars to play .25. Mulitiply that by 5 days and 52
weeks your yearly bankroll is 130000. Do you calculate that you are
going to win back a minimum of 90% and therefore your bankroll is
$13000 for the year? Yeah now I can see where your bankroll can
disappear if you are on a losing streak? Just want a little insight!
Thank you. Terry
hit those royals
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "gilbert_616" <gilbert_616@y...>
wrote:
>
> Interesting!
> Just curious...IF you would just count the last 4-5 years
(remember
> that horrible September 11) of playing vp, do you think you
would
> still be ahead of the game? (despite the disappearance of many
> FPDW, etc. and the emergence of many Indian casinos and reduced
pay
> schedules) I learned/started vp around the end of 2000 so I
must
> have missed the good old days when casinos have plenty
of 'positive'
> machines such as the FPDW.
>
> I wonder how others are doing between 2001 and 2005?
>
> Thanks.
> GilbertI just started getting serious about VP in mid 03, probably mostly
due
to good randomness, 03 was positive, then 04 was very positive,
this
year has been a real struggle and a couple of freinds/family have
asked 'when I am going to quit' I dont have a great answer for
them
except that I belive I am playing better games with more skill and
better promos and 'hopefully' things will turn around for me. I am
not a 'give up' type of person and do hope I can 'weather the
storm'.
I am in the 'the machines are fair' camp and do understand the
joy/pain of 'randomness', right now I am trying to get thru the
pain,
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jimnkelli" <jbecker11@c...> wrote:
so I can find my rainbow of joy (maybe a dealt RF on 50 play).
Happy Royals
Jim
if you are playing a positive game you should never need more than 3-
5 times the rf payoff...so if you are playing fpdw @ .25, then the
rf payoff is $1000, which means you need a lifetime bankroll of
$3000-5000...given that bankroll you can play as long as you want as
long as you are playing accurately...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "golfergeek2001"
<golfergeek2001@y...> wrote:
Hey I've got a question for you guys. You memtioned that you
became
serious a few years ago. Since I not from vegas, I don't have the
oppurtunities that you have to be "serious". How much time does a
serious player put into the machines a day, week or month? You see
other players, how much time do they put into it? Is it all
determined by coupons, slot club offers or the distance you have
to
go to the casino? Does a serious player have a daily and monthly
bankroll? If it were up to me I wouldn't walk into the casino
unless
I had $500 dollars to play .25. Mulitiply that by 5 days and 52
weeks your yearly bankroll is 130000. Do you calculate that you
are
going to win back a minimum of 90% and therefore your bankroll is
$13000 for the year? Yeah now I can see where your bankroll can
disappear if you are on a losing streak? Just want a little
insight!
···
Thank you. Terry
hit those royals
It's hard for ANYONE - from beginners to seasoned pros - to understand (and cope with) how bad a losing streak someone can go through, even if playing accurately with a edge.
The fact that I find is escaping a lot of players these days - even experienced players - is that the smaller your edge the longer these losing streaks can last. Too many players - and even those who always play when they have an edge - are playing beyond their bankroll for the plays with small edges they choose now. You must have a larger bankroll - to survive through the longer losing streaks - than you had when there were more good plays with bigger edges. Or, alternatively, if you can't drum up a bigger bankroll (financially AND psychologically) then you must quit playing with such a small edge, hunting out those plays that still have a bigger edge. They are out there - at least in Vegas - but you have to scout/research more, be more flexible in the times that you play, and perhaps drive further! When is the last time you thoroughly scoured the databases to see what plays you might choose that have a much better edge than the ones you are playing now?
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wrote:
Hey I've got a question for you guys. You memtioned that you became
serious a few years ago. Since I not from vegas, I don't have the
oppurtunities that you have to be "serious". How much time does a
serious player put into the machines a day, week or month? You see
other players, how much time do they put into it? Is it all
determined by coupons, slot club offers or the distance you have to
go to the casino? Does a serious player have a daily and monthly
bankroll? If it were up to me I wouldn't walk into the casino unless
I had $500 dollars to play .25. Mulitiply that by 5 days and 52
weeks your yearly bankroll is 130000. Do you calculate that you are
going to win back a minimum of 90% and therefore your bankroll is
$13000 for the year? Yeah now I can see where your bankroll can
disappear if you are on a losing streak? Just want a little insight!
Thank you. Terry
hit those royals
When I say 'serious' I do not mean that I play for a living, but that
I do play to win. I like the casino environment (minus the smoke) and
enjoy the perks, so I decided to become serious about spending time in
the casinos without spending alot of money (or making some). As quite
a few members will possibly tell you, my bankroll is 'variable', and
when I win, I use it or save it as I see fit, and when I lose (like
recently) I have to come up with new money to use. I have a business
and my wife works, so gambling is a 'fun' recreation/business. The
more I read/study/learn hopefully the better I will do. A nice 100
play dealt royal would sure help (congratulations 'good randomness
person' - see photos), but in the mean time I will just keep looking
for good plays and try not to 'kill' them.
Jim
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