Look for the "Pep Talk Needed" thread. Poor guy moved up from
quarters to dollars JOB and is now down 20k using that long-term
method.
It's a bitch when the math doesn't agree with reality, isn't it?
I bet he gets a ton of comps though, so it's all good right?
I wonder if he can email Bob Dancer and Jean Scott and get his money
back for the junk he probably bought from them.
Even more sad...the responses to his cry for help.
-Tom
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
Look for the "Pep Talk Needed" thread. Poor guy moved up from
quarters to dollars JOB and is now down 20k using that long-term
method.
This is probably one of those foolish saps who listened to one of the
math geeks when they say "The bankroll required for playing dollar JB
successfully is around $11,000" "Any questions?--Just go on over to
Jazbo's extraordinary and useful site to see the marvelous method
used in calculating this irreproachable figure". You might want to
send me this chap's address so I can help him out with a little bit
of reality.
It's a bitch when the math doesn't agree with reality, isn't it?I
bet he gets a ton of comps though, so it's all good right?
Well, of course it's alright! When with others he'll just spin a
story saying how he 'about broke even' and then tell a tale of all
the points, comps, offers and freebies he got from playing, and the
sheep will simply marvel at his prowess.
I wonder if he can email Bob Dancer and Jean Scott and get his
money back for the junk he probably bought from them.
Are you kidding? At one time or another, either one is on the high
seas getting away from people like that.
Even more sad...the responses to his cry for help.
The only way to soothe this type of disease is to tell the truth
about play experiences. I hope he reads this. I just returned from a
nice ride to San Diego (Harrah's Rincon) where I stayed 1 night, had
a great meal, cashed in my $150 coupon, and played ATTR Strategy
hitting four 9's on $5BP for an overall profit of around $240. My
goal was to win just $20, since my only interest in going there was
to collect the $150 and to see the place. I'll never go again because
getting there from the intersection of I-8 & I-15 in SD isn't all
that thrilling. It is, however, an attractive setting in the
mountains and it's growing (obviously, off of the local customers who
just can't say no). But for the poor SAP who's losing his behind
playing and who dished out cash to others needing gambling money just
for the privilege of "being like Mike"--dump those chumps and refresh
yourself at vptruth.com !!
I PM'ed him an invite to come on over here or to Coolerpoker
and introduce himself.
You might want to
send me this chap's address so I can help him out with a little
bit
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
I PM'ed him an invite to come on over here or to Coolerpoker
and introduce himself.
Good idea, but he might be shell-shocked by now considering the
beating he's been taking playing long-term strategy on dollars. He
may think there's a charge to go anywhere other than to VPFree,
especially if he belongs to Skip's fee-based everything.
I wonder....did anyone chime in to say something of 'useless guru-
encouragement' like Dick has said here numerous times: "But gee, you
have to realize that your resilts make up only a PART of 'the Bell
Curve' and that not EVERYBODY will win". If so, that must have made
the poor soul feel Soooo much better knowing he failed but there
are 'others' who supposedly don't. The ultimate cop-out answer. Jean
Scott doesn't lose. Bob Dancer doesn't lose. But buy their stuff, and
when you lose you're simply a part of the famous Bell Curve that they
belong to the other side of. How convenient.....
Wow! 20k is a huge amount of money for an advantage player to lose
playing Video Poker. I bet it has generated huge comps too. Maybe
that is the explanation fo this whole thing, maybe this guy has not
lost but won sojourns in one of those villas in a posh resort, the
sort of villas that have a breakfast table in a nice little private
garden, and a private pool with hot tub that he can decorate around
with the best ladies from Pahrump parading their dental flosses in
Manolo Blahnik high heels. I say this guy is lucky if he can blow all
that much dough.
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
Look for the "Pep Talk Needed" thread. Poor guy moved up from
quarters to dollars JOB and is now down 20k using that long-term
method.It's a bitch when the math doesn't agree with reality, isn't it?
I bet he gets a ton of comps though, so it's all good right?
I wonder if he can email Bob Dancer and Jean Scott and get his
money
back for the junk he probably bought from them.
Even more sad...the responses to his cry for help.
-Tom
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
Wow! 20k is a huge amount of money for an advantage player to lose
playing Video Poker. I bet it has generated huge comps too. Maybe
that is the explanation fo this whole thing, maybe this guy has not
lost but won sojourns in one of those villas in a posh resort, the
sort of villas that have a breakfast table in a nice little private
garden, and a private pool with hot tub that he can decorate around
with the best ladies from Pahrump parading their dental flosses in
Manolo Blahnik high heels. I say this guy is lucky if he can blow
all that much dough.
But we're missing something here. Maybe he just hasn't mastered the
art of valuing his comps and freebies to the level that Jean Scott
and the others do. This guy can still come out a winner if he places
a $20,010 value on all the stuff he got 'for free' -- just like
all 'advantage players' who aren't extremely lucky need to do in
order to say they're winning! It's as easy as 1-2-3. You know, like
statements that say "I've won 11 out of the past 12 years, and the
one year I lost was minimal". That's all he needs to do - both for
justification to keep on playing, and to create a make-believe, feel-
good position for himself. It's pure genius!
I find it interesting that the Princess jumps on this one guy and
ignores those who post their successes on VPFREE. It shows Robs'
dishonesty very well.
Dick
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
> I PM'ed him an invite to come on over here or to Coolerpoker
> and introduce himself.Good idea, but he might be shell-shocked by now considering the
beating he's been taking playing long-term strategy on dollars. He
may think there's a charge to go anywhere other than to VPFree,
especially if he belongs to Skip's fee-based everything.I wonder....did anyone chime in to say something of 'useless guru-
encouragement' like Dick has said here numerous times: "But gee,
you
have to realize that your resilts make up only a PART of 'the Bell
Curve' and that not EVERYBODY will win". If so, that must have made
the poor soul feel Soooo much better knowing he failed but there
are 'others' who supposedly don't. The ultimate cop-out answer.
Jean
Scott doesn't lose. Bob Dancer doesn't lose. But buy their stuff,
and
when you lose you're simply a part of the famous Bell Curve that
they
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
belong to the other side of. How convenient.....
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
I find it interesting that the Princess jumps on this one guy and
ignores those who post their successes on VPFREE. It shows Robs'
dishonesty very well.Dick
Welcome back from the reservation! Couldn't stay away after a win?
Tell me you didn't 'take a shot' on higher denominations.
I don't belong to or read anything on VPFree unless someone sends me
the posts. That's another assumption the 'math wiz' has conjured up
without supporting evidence, realization, or fact. How disappointing
is THAT?
You know as well as everyone else does that those who post of
successes do just as you do -- blab about a particular winning trip
while never saying a thing about the many times they lose their
butts. I'm the only one in history who's posted everything, and
emphasizes the losing trips. Your hero Jean Queen is happy to say
she got clobbered out of $18,000 - but only after blabbing
how 'Brad' won $20,000 just so her fans don't get the wrong idea
about her and her phony-as-a-$3bill-show.
Since you like to show how much you think you know about video poker
to readers on all the groups, why don't you respond to this poor sap
and tell him where he went wrong. Either that, or see how he reacts
to your theory that he simply 'fell onto the wrong side of the Bell
Curve, even though he played correctly and did all the right
things'!
Well the thread got off topic and turned into discussion about
American Coin Company and that Volk guy fixing machines, because
"obviously", nobody could actually LOSE using perfect long-term
strategy on straight machines, could they? But here's the original
plea for help:
--------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, this might be a corny post, but after a successful 18 months of
playing 25c video poker (primarily JOB, but some others as well), I
decided to switch over to $1 games to increase my comps substantially
and get all of the perks that the "high rollers" who play $1 VP
receive. Unfortunately, after only 3 months of $1 VP play (with
extensive hours), I am stuck slightly over $20K!!! Luckily, I have
the bankroll to support big downswings, but I am over 5 royals behind
expectation with the amount of hours that my wife and I have put in.
It's getting to the point where we bring 3K down to the casino each
weekend and we feel like it's just going straight into the fireplace!
I know that there are many higher-stakes players than me on these
boards, and I'm sure that people have experienced way worse
downswings than this, so I just wanted to know if someone else could
share their horror stories of VP past, and perhaps provide a pep talk
for the rest of us. I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one on
these boards who would benefit greatly from the wisdom of the higher
stakes players and the trials and tribulations that they have been
through. I hear about pros who play $5 VP, and I can't even imagine
the nerves of steel that these people must have.
Thanks in advance,
John
-------------------------------------------------------
It's interesting that he states right up front that he switched
to dollars to "increase my comps substantially". Well, I'm
sure he did. Hope it was worth it.
This guy needs some serious help.
-Tom
But we're missing something here. Maybe he just hasn't mastered the
art of valuing his comps and freebies to the level that Jean Scott
and the others do. This guy can still come out a winner if he
places
a $20,010 value on all the stuff he got 'for free' -- just like
all 'advantage players' who aren't extremely lucky need to do in
order to say they're winning! It's as easy as 1-2-3. You know, like
statements that say "I've won 11 out of the past 12 years, and the
one year I lost was minimal". That's all he needs to do - both for
justification to keep on playing, and to create a make-believe,
feel-
good position for himself. It's pure genius!
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
The Ins & Outs of Expert Play Strategy:
1. Be like Mike. Yes, we all want to be like the pictures painted of
themselves (and fortified by several hundred blind sheep) by Bob
Dancer and Jean Scott, and this poor sap tried his best.
2. When jealous of the comps & freebies the gurus claim they get,
jump UP in denomination just to get the points.
3. Drag along your wife and make her play so you can get that many
more points that much more quickly, and you'll soon be in the same
ballpark as the self-proclaimed gurus.
4. Have absolute belief in the 'Royal Expectation' calculations as
provided by the math geeks.
5. Although in this 'long-run' it's nearly all skill, you're luck
should change. (someone please explain that to me).
6. Be envious of the higher stakes players out there (those "pros"
with them nerves of steel){Haha, please permit me a giggle here}, for
they have prowesses no one else could possibly comnprehend. Imagine
how much they must win on those $5 machines! And all those lovely
points to boot! Gee, if I could ONLY be as successful as they portray.
7. Make sure you have the bankroll to survive the 'swings', because
you don't have anything else important to spend that money on anyway
when you spend every weekend at the machines.
8. Learn how to blab and brag about the few times you win. That way
hardly a soul will remember the times you slipped up and said
something about losing.
9. Watch out for the famous Bell Curve. It commences a virtual attack
on anyone who isn't a believer.
--------------------------------------------------------------
Ok, this might be a corny post, but after a successful 18 months of
playing 25c video poker (primarily JOB, but some others as well), I
decided to switch over to $1 games to increase my comps
substantially
and get all of the perks that the "high rollers" who play $1 VP
receive. Unfortunately, after only 3 months of $1 VP play (with
extensive hours), I am stuck slightly over $20K!!! Luckily, I have
the bankroll to support big downswings, but I am over 5 royals
behind
expectation with the amount of hours that my wife and I have put in.
It's getting to the point where we bring 3K down to the casino each
weekend and we feel like it's just going straight into the
fireplace!
I know that there are many higher-stakes players than me on these
boards, and I'm sure that people have experienced way worse
downswings than this, so I just wanted to know if someone else could
share their horror stories of VP past, and perhaps provide a pep
talk
for the rest of us. I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one on
these boards who would benefit greatly from the wisdom of the higher
stakes players and the trials and tribulations that they have been
through. I hear about pros who play $5 VP, and I can't even imagine
the nerves of steel that these people must have.Thanks in advance,
John
-------------------------------------------------------
It's interesting that he states right up front that he switched
to dollars to "increase my comps substantially". Well, I'm
sure he did. Hope it was worth it.This guy needs some serious help.
-Tom>
> But we're missing something here. Maybe he just hasn't mastered
the
> art of valuing his comps and freebies to the level that Jean
Scott
> and the others do. This guy can still come out a winner if he
places
> a $20,010 value on all the stuff he got 'for free' -- just like
> all 'advantage players' who aren't extremely lucky need to do in
> order to say they're winning! It's as easy as 1-2-3. You know,
like
> statements that say "I've won 11 out of the past 12 years, and
the
> one year I lost was minimal". That's all he needs to do - both
for
> justification to keep on playing, and to create a make-believe,
feel-
> good position for himself. It's pure genius!
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bonuspokergod"
<bonuspokergod@y...> wrote:
Well the thread got off topic and turned into discussion about
American Coin Company and that Volk guy fixing machines, because
"obviously", nobody could actually LOSE using perfect long-term
strategy on straight machines, could they? But here's the
original
plea for help:
--------------------------------------------------------------Ok, this might be a corny post, but after a successful 18 months of
playing 25c video poker (primarily JOB, but some others as well), I
decided to switch over to $1 games to increase my comps
substantially
and get all of the perks that the "high rollers" who play $1 VP
receive. Unfortunately, after only 3 months of $1 VP play (with
extensive hours), I am stuck slightly over $20K!!! Luckily, I have
the bankroll to support big downswings, but I am over 5 royals
behind
expectation with the amount of hours that my wife and I have put in.
It's getting to the point where we bring 3K down to the casino each
weekend and we feel like it's just going straight into the
fireplace!
I know that there are many higher-stakes players than me on these
boards, and I'm sure that people have experienced way worse
downswings than this, so I just wanted to know if someone else could
share their horror stories of VP past, and perhaps provide a pep
talk
for the rest of us. I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one on
these boards who would benefit greatly from the wisdom of the higher
stakes players and the trials and tribulations that they have been
through. I hear about pros who play $5 VP, and I can't even imagine
the nerves of steel that these people must have.Thanks in advance,
John
-------------------------------------------------------
It's interesting that he states right up front that he switched
to dollars to "increase my comps substantially". Well, I'm
sure he did. Hope it was worth it.This guy needs some serious help.
-Tom>
> But we're missing something here. Maybe he just hasn't mastered
the
> art of valuing his comps and freebies to the level that Jean
Scott
> and the others do. This guy can still come out a winner if he
places
> a $20,010 value on all the stuff he got 'for free' -- just like
> all 'advantage players' who aren't extremely lucky need to do in
> order to say they're winning! It's as easy as 1-2-3. You know,
like
> statements that say "I've won 11 out of the past 12 years, and
the
> one year I lost was minimal". That's all he needs to do - both
for
> justification to keep on playing, and to create a make-believe,
feel-
> good position for himself. It's pure genius!
I made a long reply to this and it vanished somehow due to the magic
of computers. Anyway, all I said was that with reasonable assumptions
it seems he recycled 30k per day and for that no posh resort will
give a villa -and I don't see fine ladies from Pahrump in Manolo
Blahnik shoes either- but most likely a DeLuxe room and buffet. I was
wrong previously.
Also, the guy says he can afford the big downswings and admires the
nerves of steel of $5 players. It would seem to me he is fishing for
encouragement to play those machines. A royal there would make him
even. I'm glad I don't go to that message board since I am in no
position to advice or console him. Personally, I must say that I'm
glad for nickel machines even if they are not full pay in most
places; and by a nickel I mean five cents, not five dollars, LOL.
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
I'm glad I don't go to that message board since I am in no
position to advice or console him. Personally, I must say that I'm
glad for nickel machines even if they are not full pay in most
places; and by a nickel I mean five cents, not five dollars, LOL.
That's a key problem with that message board. This guy needs help, he
needs GOOD advice, and what he likely gets is a very high dose of
what got him into trouble in the first place from a bunch of
theorists. Our friend Dick is a casie in point. All he'd say is a few
consoling words, then jump right into the stupid Bell curve baloney
all over again like it actually means anything. Several others may
ramble on about how they know of players who've gone further down the
royal-expectation cycle than he has. It's all meaningless both to
that particular player and to the geeks who babble about it. The
trouble with this optimal play nonsense is that it doesn't have any
teeth when people NEED it to, and when they become
disappointed/disillusioned with it--as most sooner or later do--all
they get are a pack of useless excuses from armchair players. THAT's
why my message is so obviously correct, and THAT's why I'm such a
popular writer. Realism. Truth. Common sense, without trying to dupe
the player.
Since you like to show how much you think you know about video
poker
to readers on all the groups, why don't you respond to this poor
sap
and tell him where he went wrong. Either that, or see how he reacts
to your theory that he simply 'fell onto the wrong side of the Bell
Curve, even though he played correctly and did all the right
things'!
I don't need to repeat several other good posts on VPFREE. However, I
have posted my initial results at advantage gambling previously on
this forum. I lost between $5-6,000 over 5+ months playing quarter
VP. This was on a positive machine (not JOB). That is essentially
worse results than this guy had. I made up those losses in less than
2 months and have been ahead ever since.
In addition, if you actually took the time to read his post he
started playing $ JOB after being successful at quarter JOB. I
suspect his overall results are pretty close to expectation right
now. He just had his good luck on quarter and his bad luck on $.
That's just the way it works, Princess. Hot spells, cold spells, etc.
If you don't understand that fact then you are simply ignorant.
Dick
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
Hahaha. "Advantage Gambling". That's a good one.
Hey, I've got some Hurricane Air to sell you, as well as
some leftover Blinker Fluid from my car.
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
I don't need to repeat several other good posts on VPFREE.
However, I
have posted my initial results at advantage gambling previously on
this forum.
I don't need to repeat several other good posts on VPFREE.
Well now just how could they be ANYTHING other than good posts if
they are in agreement with you???
However, I
have posted my initial results at advantage gambling previously on
this forum. I lost between $5-6,000 over 5+ months playing quarter
VP. This was on a positive machine (not JOB). That is essentially
worse results than this guy had. I made up those losses in less
than 2 months and have been ahead ever since.
Should this be true, then you have a whole lot more to worry about
than the poor sap who's losing on VPFree. You won over $6000 in 2
months on your quarter machines? Hohoho--either Santa Claus paid you
multiple visits, or you played so much that we now know why it is you
live & breathe video poker as all pathological gamblers do. And if
you did win that much, then it was all luck, little Dicky....All
Luck. Advantage play and supposed skill had zero to do with any of it.
In addition, if you actually took the time to read his post he
started playing $ JOB after being successful at quarter JOB.
That's what a typical addict does. They get cocky at the lower levels
and decide to 'take a shot' at the higher ones. I'd say he got
exactly what he asked for.
I suspect his overall results are pretty close to expectation right
now. He just had his good luck on quarter and his bad luck on $.
That's just the way it works, Princess. Hot spells, cold spells,
etc. If you don't understand that fact then you are simply ignorant.
And he's a loser. That's just the way I teach players all the time.
Go up in denomination after winning and overwhelmingly you'll be out
of money before you know it. He trusted your 'expert play' a tad bit
too much, wouldn't you say. Thought he could do what the big mouths
say they do in order to turn a profit on their junk-for-sale. BTW:
Guess why Dean Zamzow doesn't want anything to do with Bob Dancer any
longer.
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
However, I
> have posted my initial results at advantage gambling previously
on
> this forum. I lost between $5-6,000 over 5+ months playing
quarter
> VP. This was on a positive machine (not JOB). That is essentially
> worse results than this guy had. I made up those losses in less
than 2 months and have been ahead ever since.Should this be true, then you have a whole lot more to worry about
than the poor sap who's losing on VPFree. You won over $6000 in 2
months on your quarter machines? Hohoho--either Santa Claus paid
you
multiple visits,
Well, if it was Santa he was a little slow (it was Feb.). I played 3
out of 4 weekends and hit 3 RFs one weekend, 2 RFs the next and had
good secondary jackpots the 3rd.
or you played so much that we now know why it is you
live & breathe video poker as all pathological gamblers do. And if
you did win that much, then it was all luck, little Dicky....All
Luck. Advantage play and supposed skill had zero to do with any of
it.
It was lucky, and the previous 5 1/2 months were unlucky. The overall
results were right on expectation. However, without the SKILL factor
I likely would have done WORSE over both periods and ended up with a
net loss.
>
> In addition, if you actually took the time to read his post he
> started playing $ JOB after being successful at quarter JOB.That's what a typical addict does. They get cocky at the lower
levels
and decide to 'take a shot' at the higher ones. I'd say he got
exactly what he asked for.
I agree. He was probably playing at 101% on a 99.5% game. It was
bound to change sooner or later. When I moved up from quarter to .50
I did it after a bad period, and then had a very good year. It worked
out for me, but even then it wasn't a sure thing.
>I suspect his overall results are pretty close to expectation
right
> now. He just had his good luck on quarter and his bad luck on $.
> That's just the way it works, Princess. Hot spells, cold spells,
etc. If you don't understand that fact then you are simply ignorant.And he's a loser.
Maybe, maybe not. I've seen this happen with unskilled players as
well. It's part of human nature.
That's just the way I teach players all the time.
Go up in denomination after winning and overwhelmingly you'll be
out
of money before you know it. He trusted your 'expert play' a tad
bit
too much, wouldn't you say.
No. I'd say he didn't really understand the finer points. Similar to
the guy from NY that thought he could win on negative machines using
expert play.
Thought he could do what the big mouths
say they do in order to turn a profit on their junk-for-sale.
I don't know anyone who states you will make a profit on a negative
game like JOB. I can understand how someone might misunderstand
concept of advantage play. There are way too many folks looking for
an easy way to make a buck.
BTW:
Guess why Dean Zamzow doesn't want anything to do with Bob Dancer
any longer.
Why?
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
Well, if it was Santa he was a little slow (it was Feb.). I played
3 out of 4 weekends and hit 3 RFs one weekend, 2 RFs the next and had
good secondary jackpots the 3rd.
And you think that's some kind of video poker-playing skill.....
C'mon, why not say it like it is.
It was lucky, and the previous 5 1/2 months were unlucky.
That's more like it.
The overall results were right on expectation. However, without the
SKILL factor I likely would have done WORSE over both periods and
ended up with a net loss.
What is 'the skill factor'? Almost every single hand of video poker
is common sense. The very very few hands that might stump a novice
easily could have been held 'against the math' and over years of that
type of event occuring, the hands very reasonably could have made
more being held that way. What you're trying to say is akin to the
gambling problem Bob Dancer has when he blabs of playing 'tens of
millions of dollars yearly' in respect to the proposterous,
theoretical 500 hours minimumally required limit he's pulled out of
his behind. People like that try to instill unreasonable, irrational -
and very likely untrue - numbers into discussions that woo others
who get excited whenever they view statistical information, and
therefore, also get concurrence by way of silence. It's just another
self-confidence-building,feel-good tactic used by video poker players
desperately in need of justification for playing as much as they do--
which is typically FAR more than they should.
> That's what a typical addict does. They get cocky at the lower
levels and decide to 'take a shot' at the higher ones. I'd say he
got exactly what he asked for.
>
I agree. He was probably playing at 101% on a 99.5% game. It was
bound to change sooner or later. When I moved up from quarter
to .50 I did it after a bad period, and then had a very good year. It
worked out for me, but even then it wasn't a sure thing.
So goes luck. I don't see where 98% or 101% would or should have
anything to do with it. I'm at the Aladdin this very moment where I
just lost $5000 on a session--on 7/5 BP and 9/6 DDB. But that's after
4 straight sessions where I won over $27,000--all on 7/5, 8/5 BP and
9/5 DDB. Of course the Royal on $5 was most of that, but it came on
an 8/5 BP game that delivered NO full-houses at all prior to hitting
it. The more of this I see the more I see how this 'advantage play'
is nothing more than a needed myth by those enthralled by the
statistics in life.
> That's just the way I teach players all the time.
> Go up in denomination after winning and overwhelmingly you'll be
out of money before you know it. He trusted your 'expert play' a
tad bit too much, wouldn't you say.
No. I'd say he didn't really understand the finer points. Similar
to the guy from NY that thought he could win on negative machines
using expert play.
You've seen my opinion on this.
I don't know anyone who states you will make a profit on a negative
game like JOB. I can understand how someone might misunderstand
concept of advantage play. There are way too many folks looking for
an easy way to make a buck.
Well, many times I've seen BD say he plays 9/6 JB when, with the cash-
back, comps, and other gifts, etc. included it comes out to a
theoretical % > 100. As a result, there's many others out there
who've become very creative in conjuring up >100% JB games. Most of
the time it's someone who'll never play even 100 hours a year, so the
whole idea is misleading.
> Guess why Dean Zamzow doesn't want anything to do with Bob Dancer
> any longer.Why?
I like Dean, and I prefer to keep it at this level. What I was trying
to get you to do was understand the down-to-earth personality Dean's
shown & used in his business skills on Winpoker, and then look at the
direction BD's headed.
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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:
> Well, if it was Santa he was a little slow (it was Feb.). I
played
3 out of 4 weekends and hit 3 RFs one weekend, 2 RFs the next and
had
> good secondary jackpots the 3rd.
And you think that's some kind of video poker-playing skill.....
C'mon, why not say it like it is.
>
> It was lucky, and the previous 5 1/2 months were unlucky.That's more like it.
The overall results were right on expectation. However, without
the
SKILL factor I likely would have done WORSE over both periods and
ended up with a net loss.What is 'the skill factor'? Almost every single hand of video poker
is common sense.
This statement is pure malarky. Don't you ever watch anyone around
you play? If it were "common" sense then everyone would play the same
AND the casinos would lose money on EVERY full pay machine.
It's just another
self-confidence-building,feel-good tactic used by video poker
players
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deadin7" <deadin7@y...> wrote:
desperately in need of justification for playing as much as they do-
-
which is typically FAR more than they should.
You've gone off on this tangent more than once. When I worked for a
living, 40-50 hours for 48 weeks a year, I put in ~2000 hours. Does
that mean I'm (and everyone who works for a living) addicted to work?
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:>
> What is 'the skill factor'? Almost every single hand of video
poker is common sense.
This statement is pure malarky. Don't you ever watch anyone around
you play? If it were "common" sense then everyone would play the
same AND the casinos would lose money on EVERY full pay machine.
Wrong, 110% wrong. Most people I've met around the world do not
utilize the common sense they were born with. That's why no human
could ever approach even being close to the near-perfection required
to beat positive play machines on sheer skill with very little luck.
Dancer and you and others always say after X amount of hands it turns
into mostly skill. Why? The reasoning behind how the very first hand
is played is exactly the same as the reasoning behind how the 150
millionth hand is played. And look at the way otherwise intelligent
people (i.e., those possessing good common sense) play the game. It's
pathetic on the whole.
> It's just another self-confidence-building,feel-good tactic used
by video poker players desperately in need of justification for
playing as much as they do-which is typically FAR more than they
should.
You've gone off on this tangent more than once. When I worked for a
living, 40-50 hours for 48 weeks a year, I put in ~2000 hours. Does
that mean I'm (and everyone who works for a living) addicted to
work?
First, that's too many hours to work every year. Then, it's comparing
apples to oranges. Gambling always begins as social entertainment and
soon easily becomes a habit--a social problem, but work is to make a
living whether you like it or not.
--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...>
wrote:>> > What is 'the skill factor'? Almost every single hand of video
poker is common sense.
>
> This statement is pure malarky. Don't you ever watch anyone
around
> you play? If it were "common" sense then everyone would play the
same AND the casinos would lose money on EVERY full pay machine.Wrong, 110% wrong. Most people I've met around the world do not
utilize the common sense they were born with.
This may be a definition problem, but if "common sense" is not used
commonly then it's not "common sense".
That's why no human
could ever approach even being close to the near-perfection
required
to beat positive play machines on sheer skill with very little
luck.
Not this again. Remember the typing pool example???
Dancer and you and others always say after X amount of hands it
turns
into mostly skill. Why?
Because, when large numbers of hands (statistical samples) are used
the good luck and bad luck tend to cancel each other out. At that
time, your return nears the actual payback of the game. It's exactly
the same as flipping a coin. I'm sure you realize after only a few
hundred flips that both heads and tails will be really close to 50%.
It takes longer in VP because of the higher variance.
The reasoning behind how the very first hand
is played is exactly the same as the reasoning behind how the 150
millionth hand is played. And look at the way otherwise intelligent
people (i.e., those possessing good common sense) play the game.
It's
pathetic on the whole.
That's why it isn't "common sense".
>
> > It's just another self-confidence-building,feel-good tactic
used
by video poker players desperately in need of justification for
playing as much as they do-which is typically FAR more than they
should.
>
> You've gone off on this tangent more than once. When I worked for
a
> living, 40-50 hours for 48 weeks a year, I put in ~2000 hours.
Does
> that mean I'm (and everyone who works for a living) addicted to
work?First, that's too many hours to work every year. Then, it's
comparing
apples to oranges. Gambling always begins as social entertainment
and
soon easily becomes a habit--a social problem, but work is to make
a
living whether you like it or not.
Gambling can also be used to make a living. If one does this then do
you agree it is not an addiction???
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